Re: Tainted "journalism" in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21689615 en Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:37:44 EDT Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:37:44 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21831016 digitalfreak :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by jester121 See Profile :

A good example of how to mislead people by a simple word choice, without actually lying:

"ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan"

With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it. Regular readers of the news here know that Karl gets off on sticking it to big ISPs, especially where piracy issues are concerned, so he's taken this news story and spun it in such a way that it accomplishes his goals. He also creates the impression that he's smarter than everyone else and knows what's really going down, so we should listen to him on everything else.

Why not a headline like "ISPs Decline to Comment on New RIAA Plan"? Because that's a bit too nebulous and doesn't allow for editorial bias to enter the discussion.
That's actually what happened -- Verizon said "no," and the rest of the ISPs says "No Comment".

In other news, "Karl Bode Won't Admit Cheating on Taxes".
Much of the "NEWS" here has an underlying editorial agenda. It is an editorial page and not an AP newswire.

In defense of Karl, however, he has never claimed to be purveying TRUTH - but only his perception of it as seen thru his own anti-corporate filter.
Everything you post, claiming as TRUTH, is your perception as seen thru your pro-corporate filter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21831016 Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:34:18 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21692991 TKJunkMail :
said by jester121 See Profile :

A good example of how to mislead people by a simple word choice, without actually lying:

"ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan"

With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it. Regular readers of the news here know that Karl gets off on sticking it to big ISPs, especially where piracy issues are concerned, so he's taken this news story and spun it in such a way that it accomplishes his goals. He also creates the impression that he's smarter than everyone else and knows what's really going down, so we should listen to him on everything else.

Why not a headline like "ISPs Decline to Comment on New RIAA Plan"? Because that's a bit too nebulous and doesn't allow for editorial bias to enter the discussion.
That's actually what happened -- Verizon said "no," and the rest of the ISPs says "No Comment".

In other news, "Karl Bode Won't Admit Cheating on Taxes".
Much of the "NEWS" here has an underlying editorial agenda. It is an editorial page and not an AP newswire.

In defense of Karl, however, he has never claimed to be purveying TRUTH - but only his perception of it as seen thru his own anti-corporate filter.
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said by jester121 See Profile :

That's actually what happened -- Verizon said "no," and the rest of the ISPs says "No Comment".
It's nice to see such a strong defense of hiding things from the public.

Richard Nixon never admitted being a crook. It's so biased for people to think otherwise. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21692291 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:45:52 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691908 jester121 :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Ellen Yu, a public relations employee working at Verizon, gave an official statement that they were not participating. You are doing exactly what you accuse Karl of doing in your rant.
Duh? :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691908 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:39:26 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691646 jmn1207 : I just don't see how any ISP's silence can come across as anything positive. How do you spin it to make the ISP's look consumer-centric?

OJ won't admit that he murdered Nicole.

OJ refuses to deny his involvement in Nicole's murder.

OJ remains tight-lipped while Nicole remains headless.

I can't make it work so that OJ's silence does anything other than bring suspicion upon himself.

If OJ officially stated that he did not murder Nicole, while it may not prove his innocence, if reported factually, it could not be implied or interpreted that he was guilty.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691646 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:57:38 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691413 RARPSL :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

said by cornelius785 See Profile :

what do you expect? opinion seperated from fact in an article at dslreports?
That several "ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan" is a fact, not an opinion. Do you see the irony in your insinuation and attack on the messenger?
Even better is to summarize the situation as "ISPs other than Verizon refuse to deny Participation In New RIAA Plan" since this is what the article says. The same set of facts can be presented/viewed in a number of ways without omitting anything in your statement of the situation. Part of it is how you want to "spin" the facts (ignoring that spinning often requires suppression of facts that rebut your intended slant).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691413 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:22:00 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691181 KrK :
said by jester121 See Profile :

"ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan"

With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it.
Which is exactly correct. Helping the RIAA is definitely shady as hell, and not admitting it is not coming clean!

Regular readers of the news here know that Karl gets off on sticking it to big ISPs, especially where piracy issues are concerned, so he's taken this news story and spun it in such a way that it accomplishes his goals.
And there's this quite vocal other camp, who seem determined to bend over backwards to defend these companies--- NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO WRONG or how they screw over their customers. You have to wonder about their motives.
He also creates the impression that he's smarter than everyone else and knows what's really going down, so we should listen to him on everything else.
That sounds more like a personal issue to me? Smarter? Hardly. More well informed then 99% of the public? I'd say that's fair.
In other news, "Karl Bode Won't Admit Cheating on Taxes".
Got any sources, evidence, or proof either way? At least Karl's article did....
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691181 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:47:28 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690775 jmn1207 :
said by jester121 See Profile :

Nice try with the standard BBR attack method though!
All I have is the BBR News Fan Attack Protocol pamphlet to go by.

said by jester121 See Profile :

said by jmn1207 See Profile :

We know Verizon is not one of them.
No you don't. You know that someone at Verizon denies that they are participating. See, that's what the actual NEWS story is. "So-and-so said this, while those guys said 'no comment'". That's it.
Ellen Yu, a public relations employee working at Verizon, gave an official statement that they were not participating. You are doing exactly what you accuse Karl of doing in your rant.
said by jester121 See Profile :

said by jmn1207 See Profile :

That leaves the rest of them that refuse to talk. Karl is simply stating what is obvious to many of us.
No, Karl is stating his opinion. Whether or not that's obvious is subjective, and remains to be seen.
I read facts stating that ISP's refuse to comment while Verizon adamantly denies their cooperation, followed by the editor asking some rhetorical questions and some paragraphs using "Potentially" and "Perhaps". It's clear to me when the story strays into an opinion piece. I can separate the facts from the opinion with little difficulty. This is entertainment. Topical news subjects are used to try and generate user participation in discussions.

said by jester121 See Profile :

Honestly I don't care one way or another about the issue at hand...
Yes, that much is clear. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690775 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:29:27 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690276 jester121 :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

As a consumer, I believe the ISP's are in bed with the RIAA unless they come out and claim otherwise, like Verizon has done. If you are a lobbyist or work for one of these ISP's in some capacity, perhaps your interests are better served on the side of the conglomerates and their secretive stance.
Nope, not a lobbyist, just a guy. Nice try with the standard BBR attack method though! Anyone who supports the big ISP is a fanboi or astro-turf specialist, right?
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Their decision to keep silent is at least suspicious, especially considering that the RIAA has claimed it has been working closely with several large ISP's.
Suspicious to a suspicious mind maybe, when you're closed minded enough to assume that every ISP is evil (except Verizon somtimes, maybe).
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

We know Verizon is not one of them.
No you don't. You know that someone at Verizon denies that they are participating. See, that's what the actual NEWS story is. "So-and-so said this, while those guys said 'no comment'". That's it.
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

That leaves the rest of them that refuse to talk. Karl is simply stating what is obvious to many of us.
No, Karl is stating his opinion. Whether or not that's obvious is subjective, and remains to be seen.

Honestly I don't care one way or another about the issue at hand, it just struck me as even more flagrant that usual when I was reading the summary this morning. We'll probably find out later that the other ISPs are talking to the RIAA, and probably are planning to suspend users, and we'll have something for Karl to rant about for 6 months or so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690276 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:05:36 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690221 jester121 :
said by Ahrenl See Profile :

Please, pray tell, clue us in to where you get your unbiased news?
I don't understand the point of the question? The point of my post is to recognize the bias and take it with a grain of salt.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690221 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:57:04 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690190 Ahrenl : Please, pray tell, clue us in to where you get your unbiased news?

or

If you think you're getting unbiased news, then you either agree with, or don't recognize, the bias. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690190 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:51:38 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690099 jmn1207 :
said by cornelius785 See Profile :

what do you expect? opinion seperated from fact in an article at dslreports?
That several "ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan" is a fact, not an opinion. Do you see the irony in your insinuation and attack on the messenger? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690099 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:36:57 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690058 cornelius785 : what do you expect? opinion seperated from fact in an article at dslreports?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690058 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:32:08 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21689748 jmn1207 : As a consumer, I believe the ISP's are in bed with the RIAA unless they come out and claim otherwise, like Verizon has done. If you are a lobbyist or work for one of these ISP's in some capacity, perhaps your interests are better served on the side of the conglomerates and their secretive stance.

Their decision to keep silent is at least suspicious, especially considering that the RIAA has claimed it has been working closely with several large ISP's. We know Verizon is not one of them. That leaves the rest of them that refuse to talk. Karl is simply stating what is obvious to many of us.

If I want to read a story about how everything is grand and beautiful with an ISP, I can just catch a commercial or read one of their press releases. I'm not sure how you can justify this as being tainted journalism.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21689748 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:45:51 EDT Re: Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21689615 russotto :
said by jester121 See Profile :

With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it.
Some of them ARE. Unless of course the RIAA is flat out lying, which wouldn't be unprecedented.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21689615 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:23:26 EDT Tainted "journalism" http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21689589 jester121 : A good example of how to mislead people by a simple word choice, without actually lying:

"ISPs Won't Admit Participation In New RIAA Plan"

With that headline, Karl has immediately implied that the ISPs are doing something shady, but just won't come clean about it. Regular readers of the news here know that Karl gets off on sticking it to big ISPs, especially where piracy issues are concerned, so he's taken this news story and spun it in such a way that it accomplishes his goals. He also creates the impression that he's smarter than everyone else and knows what's really going down, so we should listen to him on everything else.

Why not a headline like "ISPs Decline to Comment on New RIAA Plan"? Because that's a bit too nebulous and doesn't allow for editorial bias to enter the discussion.
That's actually what happened -- Verizon said "no," and the rest of the ISPs says "No Comment".

In other news, "Karl Bode Won't Admit Cheating on Taxes".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21689589 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:18:32 EDT