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Re: Oh F*** OFF already!!! said by happylurk :
If all the funerals I've attended in the past decade are any indication, mom and pop will in all likelihood kick the bucket due to cancer 15-20 years from now anyway... Too bad they couldn't enjoy their habit in peace to their final days...
If they make it 15-20 years I'll throw a party - my dad is already 82 and my mom 79. They used to both have coughing fits through the night when they came to visit me. Now they sleep quietly through the night and my dad doesn't wheeze after going for a long walk with me. (My mom can't walk - she needs a walker due to multiple broken ankles over the last 15 years). It's nice to see them breathing easy. I'm glad my nagging and "peer pressure" against them helped them break the habit after 45 years or more. |
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I know what sic is, but did not see what you were doing. My mistake, sorry about that. In case anyone does not get it, you were saying that we are making sound like we are perfect and flawless by our arguments but not our actual phrasing.
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said by happylurk :
I'm asking that the bigots on this board and out in the world at large ACCEPT that some people have been smoking for 80% of their lifetimes and longer and that their jibes and criticisms do more harm than good. Creating a stigma makes smoking less glamourous, so even if it has no effect on poor downtrodden souls like you, it may help shy others from starting.
And hurting somebody's feelings does not make one a "bigot".
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said by Hydraglass:said by happylurk :
If all the funerals I've attended in the past decade are any indication, mom and pop will in all likelihood kick the bucket due to cancer 15-20 years from now anyway... Too bad they couldn't enjoy their habit in peace to their final days...
If they make it 15-20 years I'll throw a party - my dad is already 82 and my mom 79. They used to both have coughing fits through the night when they came to visit me. Now they sleep quietly through the night and my dad doesn't wheeze after going for a long walk with me. (My mom can't walk - she needs a walker due to multiple broken ankles over the last 15 years). It's nice to see them breathing easy. I'm glad my nagging and "peer pressure" against them helped them break the habit after 45 years or more. Meanwhile I buried my 30 years quit older brother last January due to complications from bowel and liver cancer...
Go figger. Luck of the draw. Still if your parents smoked in peace for decades why force them to go thru the stress of quitting in their octagenarian years?
I've literally buried about 10 people in the past ten years, non smokers or longtime ex-smokers all, and 9 out of those ten were cancer victims...
Frankly all the cancer scare mongering surrounding smoking has become meaningless babble to my ears.
I have no wife, no kids, no ex-wife to worry about. I'm already 52. If I die in 10 years or 30 then so be it. At least I'll have died happily enjoying the solitary pleasures I can afford out of this life without cringing in fear at the reaper's approach  |
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said by Steve:And hurting somebody's feelings does not make one a "bigot". Steve Sure! In a "I love black people but wouldn't want my daughter to marry one..." kinda way  |
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Sure! In a "I love black people but wouldn't want my daughter to marry one..." kinda way
Your kung-fu grip on logical reasoning is not strong.
Most bigotry involves hurting feelings, but most hurt feelings do not involve bigotry.
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If your barbs systematically target a visible minority with indiscreet consistency, then YES that IS the definition of Bigotry, Gay-Bashing, Whatever the hell you want to call it... You talk just like a thin-skinned little girl: Waaaa, he's making me feel bad. |
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said by happylurk :
Frankly all the cancer scare mongering surrounding smoking has become meaningless babble to my ears. Most things do if you don't want to hear them.
My father quit smoking over 15 years ago after more than 30 years and the hacking cough he had for my entire life was gone in less than 10. He has survived a collapsed lung (which the surgeon said if he had not quit smoking years before he wouldn't have been able to repair) and one occurrence of cancer caught and treated early. After the lung incident, I thought to myself "What the *&#%^@ am I doing?" and that was pretty much it. I do enjoy a cigar occasionally, but it's about moderation (much like alcohol, food, or anything else).
The big difference between smoking and people who overeat is I've never seen one medical study on the effects of 2nd hand fat or 2nd hand cholesterol. I've never heard of a case where someone eating their 4th Big Mac gave someone else a cancer or heart disease even if their stomach was churning in distaste for the gluttony they were observing.
Quite frankly, if a smoker wants to smoke themselves to death, go ahead and enjoy the trip. It's when your habit starts to affect my health that I get pissed off, and the days when I've had to walk past 50 or 60 smokers outside buildings, including my own, and get inside reeking of smoke and coughing from it that I trip out a bit. This happens at least once or twice a week, so it's not like it's a rare occurrence.
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| said by Kardinal:The big difference between smoking and people who overeat is I've never seen one medical study on the effects of 2nd hand fat or 2nd hand cholesterol. I've never heard of a case where someone eating their 4th Big Mac gave someone else a cancer or heart disease even if their stomach was churning in distaste for the gluttony they were observing. Quite frankly, if a smoker wants to smoke themselves to death, go ahead and enjoy the trip. It's when your habit starts to affect my health that I get pissed off, and the days when I've had to walk past 50 or 60 smokers outside buildings, including my own, and get inside reeking of smoke and coughing from it that I trip out a bit. This happens at least once or twice a week, so it's not like it's a rare occurrence. Obesity starts to affect others when it comes to health care costs for bypasses and medical treatment of a host of other diseases related to the condition not excluding diabetes, stroke, kidney disease AND certain cancers.
Also, I have a 300 lb. friend who so far in my home has broken two chairs and a toilet with his sheer mass!
Your peeve with second hand smoke from vestibules and doorways exists mainly in your head. The likelihood of your getting a respiratory ailment from your 20 second exposure to outdoor second hand smoke is about as likely as the Leafs ewer winning the Stanley Cup again
In fact, you would be far more likely to develop cancer from waiting at a busy bus terminal for ten minutes any time of the year.
So you don't like the smell. So what? Life is full of unpleasant odors. I quit for a month once and my nostrils were horrified at god awful stenches emanating from uncollected dog turds, nauseating apartment cooking smells and generally smoggy and unbreathable city air.
Those smokers at your business doorway are no less a nuisance than my obese friend who destroys my furniture and plumbing. But you know what? I didn't hand him a bill for damages. I just bought a stronger chair for him to sit on and the toilet still wobbles now when you sit on it but it remains usable.
The reality is that nobody is forcing anyone to endure anything more than the commonest inconveniences in life, but when non-smokers start ranting the Sermon on the Mount about their 20 second brush with death at the hands of an outdoor smoker, that pretty much falls in the domain of Steve's "Girly Histrionics..."
Besides, *I'M* not the one standing at your company's doorway and smoking. If you really have that much of a problem with it why don't you make a suggestion to Corporate to designate a safe smoking area far away from your oh so precious pink lungs? |
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North York, ON | said by happylurk :Besides, *I'M* not the one standing at your company's doorway and smoking. If you really have that much of a problem with it why don't you make a suggestion to Corporate to designate a safe smoking area far away from your oh so precious pink lungs? They are supposed to be 30 feet from the doors so no designated area should be necessary, but of course they are not. Not to mention that they are probably just going to drop that cigarette to the ground when done with it. (I await the cry of "I never do that" that all smokers I have heard claim when confronted with this).
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| said by donoreo:said by happylurk :Besides, *I'M* not the one standing at your company's doorway and smoking. If you really have that much of a problem with it why don't you make a suggestion to Corporate to designate a safe smoking area far away from your oh so precious pink lungs? They are supposed to be 30 feet from the doors so no designated area should be necessary, but of course they are not. Not to mention that they are probably just going to drop that cigarette to the ground when done with it. (I await the cry of "I never do that" that all smokers I have heard claim when confronted with this). Twenty years ago there would have been a convenient ashtray at the doorway. What the hell else are we supposed to do with a burned out butt? Swallow it?!?!?!?!
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Twenty years ago there would have been a convenient ashtray at the doorway. What the hell else are we supposed to do with a burned out butt? Swallow it?!?!?!?!
Complain to building management if you think there's a problem. Tell them not to cheap out on the ashtrays...
The building I used to work at had ashtrays, 30 feet away from the doors. Since none of the smokers actually followed the rules unless someone from building management asked them to, the ashtrays hardly ever got used.
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said by happylurk :
Obesity starts to affect others when it comes to health care costs for bypasses and medical treatment of a host of other diseases related to the condition not excluding diabetes, stroke, kidney disease AND certain cancers. Just like smoking does, so thanks for making my point for me. However, you missed the point: I said 2nd hand fat or 2nd hand cholesterol. Good try on the deflection though.
I won't bother quoting the rest of your diatribe, but it's not a respiratory ailment I'm worried about, it's the smell of an ashtray that sticks to me for hours and the coughing fits I get from the smoke I walk through past all the office towers, including the one I work in that piss me off. I guess it'd be okay to bring piles of manure in and put them in the desginated smoking areas, or perhaps spray the smokers with canned fart smell so they could enjoy the fun of someone else's stench. Turnabout is fair play, right?
It's much easier to be hysterical about being a picked on minority than acknowledge that the pass-time you enjoy affects the lives of others in a way they don't appreciate.
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I can't speak at all authoritatively on that particular instance, but generally if there's an outdoor ashtray nearby I'll use it.
I've even seen a lot of places improvise with empty coffee cans on the sidewalk and they're generally full of butts...
Face it, modern property managers would rather spend the money on sweeping the walk daily rather than investing in an outdoor grade monolithic ashtray. Perhaps having an actual receptacle would "do harm to their PC image?" |
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And it seems to be much easier for you to mouth off how much you hate smokers on an anonymous thread than to actually talk to management where you work and work out an amicable solution.
I'll reply to any response you might have if it actually contains any content that hasn't already been settled one way or another in this thread... |
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And it seems to be much easier for you to mouth off how much you hate smokers on an anonymous thread than to actually talk to management where you work and work out an amicable solution.
Y'see, there you go again with the hysterical reaction that isn't based on fact but emotion: never once have I said I hate smokers. I do hate that their habit makes me cough and smell like an ashtray. They stay the regulated 9M from the door, but it still means I have to walk through the crowds to get to the door itself and since they are on both sides of it I can't come from the other direction and bypass them.
The bottom line is there isn't an amicable solution as it is either status quo which is following the rules or ban smoking outside in smoking areas, at bus stops, etc and that isn't going to happen. This means that I get to live with the disgusting smell of a smoker's hobby clinging to me for an hour or two after I get to work because I have no other choice. I'd simply like to return the favour to smokers in the form of a vile smell for them so that they can enjoy the experience as much as I do. You can't see that as being unfair, can you?
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Happylurk, trying to use homosexuality as a shield in this topic is just pathetic.
Trying to employ the abortion issue as a defense just announces you've got nothing.
If you are an addict, just say it and then get modern medical assistance to defeat it. If you don't want to defeat it, then you are just saying you couldn't care less if your problem can be an others problem against their will.
That makes you callous and a lot less of a person than us.
I'm not perfect, I swear like a trooper. But fortunately if I were to trip and hurt an elbow in your presence and foul the air with my enthusiastic foul language, well you won't suffer any actual harm (other than maybe being offended).
I also have a GREAT appetite for sex. But frankly, if I like to do it with my wife twice a day and think going a week without sucks immensely, well that particular habit has not power to harm you eh.
We all have a lot of habits we might like to walk away from. The thing is, a lot of bad habits have no health cost to a bystander.
YOUR habit is a threat to others.
Deal with the fact that we do NOT care that you can legally buy your smokes. |
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You've got nothing but sour grapes to chew on...
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