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jmn1207
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Re: Tainted "journalism"
As a consumer, I believe the ISP's are in bed with the RIAA unless they come out and claim otherwise, like Verizon has done. If you are a lobbyist or work for one of these ISP's in some capacity, perhaps your interests are better served on the side of the conglomerates and their secretive stance.
Their decision to keep silent is at least suspicious, especially considering that the RIAA has claimed it has been working closely with several large ISP's. We know Verizon is not one of them. That leaves the rest of them that refuse to talk. Karl is simply stating what is obvious to many of us.
If I want to read a story about how everything is grand and beautiful with an ISP, I can just catch a commercial or read one of their press releases. I'm not sure how you can justify this as being tainted journalism. | |
jester121
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| said by jmn1207  :As a consumer, I believe the ISP's are in bed with the RIAA unless they come out and claim otherwise, like Verizon has done. If you are a lobbyist or work for one of these ISP's in some capacity, perhaps your interests are better served on the side of the conglomerates and their secretive stance. Nope, not a lobbyist, just a guy. Nice try with the standard BBR attack method though! Anyone who supports the big ISP is a fanboi or astro-turf specialist, right?
said by jmn1207 :Their decision to keep silent is at least suspicious, especially considering that the RIAA has claimed it has been working closely with several large ISP's. Suspicious to a suspicious mind maybe, when you're closed minded enough to assume that every ISP is evil (except Verizon somtimes, maybe). said by jmn1207 :We know Verizon is not one of them. No you don't. You know that someone at Verizon denies that they are participating. See, that's what the actual NEWS story is. "So-and-so said this, while those guys said 'no comment'". That's it. said by jmn1207 :That leaves the rest of them that refuse to talk. Karl is simply stating what is obvious to many of us. No, Karl is stating his opinion. Whether or not that's obvious is subjective, and remains to be seen.
Honestly I don't care one way or another about the issue at hand, it just struck me as even more flagrant that usual when I was reading the summary this morning. We'll probably find out later that the other ISPs are talking to the RIAA, and probably are planning to suspend users, and we'll have something for Karl to rant about for 6 months or so. | |
jmn1207
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| said by jester121 :Nice try with the standard BBR attack method though! All I have is the BBR News Fan Attack Protocol pamphlet to go by.
said by jester121 :said by jmn1207 :We know Verizon is not one of them. No you don't. You know that someone at Verizon denies that they are participating. See, that's what the actual NEWS story is. "So-and-so said this, while those guys said 'no comment'". That's it. Ellen Yu, a public relations employee working at Verizon, gave an official statement that they were not participating. You are doing exactly what you accuse Karl of doing in your rant.
said by jester121 :said by jmn1207 :That leaves the rest of them that refuse to talk. Karl is simply stating what is obvious to many of us. No, Karl is stating his opinion. Whether or not that's obvious is subjective, and remains to be seen. I read facts stating that ISP's refuse to comment while Verizon adamantly denies their cooperation, followed by the editor asking some rhetorical questions and some paragraphs using "Potentially" and "Perhaps". It's clear to me when the story strays into an opinion piece. I can separate the facts from the opinion with little difficulty. This is entertainment. Topical news subjects are used to try and generate user participation in discussions.
said by jester121 :Honestly I don't care one way or another about the issue at hand... Yes, that much is clear. | |
jester121
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| said by jmn1207 :Ellen Yu, a public relations employee working at Verizon, gave an official statement that they were not participating. You are doing exactly what you accuse Karl of doing in your rant. Duh?  | |
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