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Re: Oh F*** OFF already!!! said by IamGimli:said by happylurk :
Gee... Who's gonna protect us from stinky perfume, cologne and BO? The anti-smoking lobby are totally out of control and this proves it...
I'd say probably the same people when they start putting over 40 known toxic materials in perfume and burn it around kids and adults for entertainment purposes. Ever heard of incense genius?  |
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Ever heard of incense genius?
I don't know what incense you use, but the incense I burn on occasion is made with natural ingredients like tree resin, hyssop, aloes, cassia, myrrh, onycha, saffron, cedar of Lebanon and the like, unlike cigarettes which contain things like benzene, formaldehyde, ammonia, acetone, or tar.
I can't make a road or preserve a body with the stuff I have in incense....well, at least, not with the same results I'd get from those in cigarettes.
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said by happylurk :
Ever heard of incense genius?
I don't know what incense you use, but the incense I burn on occasion is made with natural ingredients like tree resin, hyssop, aloes, cassia, myrrh, onycha, saffron, cedar of Lebanon and the like, unlike cigarettes which contain things like benzene, formaldehyde, ammonia, acetone, and tar.
I can't make a road or preserve a body with the stuff I have in incense....well, at least, not with the same results I'd get from those in cigarettes. 
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said by happylurk :said by IamGimli:said by happylurk :
Gee... Who's gonna protect us from stinky perfume, cologne and BO? The anti-smoking lobby are totally out of control and this proves it...
I'd say probably the same people when they start putting over 40 known toxic materials in perfume and burn it around kids and adults for entertainment purposes. Ever heard of incense genius? Toxic perfume is a pet peeve of mine
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said by Kardinal:said by happylurk :
Ever heard of incense genius?
I don't know what incense you use, but the incense I burn on occasion is made with natural ingredients like tree resin, hyssop, aloes, cassia, myrrh, onycha, saffron, cedar of Lebanon and the like, unlike cigarettes which contain things like benzene, formaldehyde, ammonia, acetone, or tar. I can't make a road or preserve a body with the stuff I have in incense....well, at least, not with the same results I'd get from those in cigarettes. I have news for you genius. The toxins in cigarette smoke are a natural byproduct of combustion of organic materials. Your "all natural" incense is no less toxic than a cuban cigar. Do you think cigarette manufacturers intentionally add vats of mercury and benzene to the mix? It's produced by burning vegetable matter naturally...
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said by snafu:Toxic perfume is a pet peeve of mine Woman in the cube near me wears it and it makes me choke and my eyes get all blood shot I've approached people in the past to ask them to please wear less (or none) to work as it's too strong, but when they get huffy about it I've gone to the tried and true "Nice perfume -- must you marinate in it?". I've tried being nice first so going to snarky seems perfectly acceptable to me.  You might also want try getting one of the spraycans of aircleaner (like this) that don't have a fragrance but that eliminate the odors that are already in the air. Spray it over her pod repeatedly in a single day to make your point.
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1 edit | said by Kardinal:said by snafu:Toxic perfume is a pet peeve of mine Woman in the cube near me wears it and it makes me choke and my eyes get all blood shot I've approached people in the past to ask them to please wear less (or none) to work as it's too strong, but when they get huffy about it I've gone to the tried and true "Nice perfume -- must you marinate in it?". I've tried being nice first so going to snarky seems perfectly acceptable to me. You might also want try getting one of the spraycans of aircleaner (like this) that don't have a fragrance but that eliminate the odors that are already in the air. Spray it over her pod repeatedly in a single day to make your point. Yeah that fabreeze stuff, I should pick some up
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said by Kardinal: You might also want try getting one of the spraycans of aircleaner (like this) that don't have a fragrance but that eliminate the odors that are already in the air. Sounds like a can of aerosol baking soda. Might be easier and cheaper to just sprinkle a box on her head... |
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said by Kardinal:You might also want try getting one of the spraycans of aircleaner (like this) that don't have a fragrance but that eliminate the odors that are already in the air. Spray it over her pod repeatedly in a single day to make your point. that is so tame and friendly...come on, get a can of Fart Spray and "give 'er" throughout the day...NOW WE'RE TALKIN!
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Mississauga | said by dirtyjeffer:said by Kardinal:You might also want try getting one of the spraycans of aircleaner (like this) that don't have a fragrance but that eliminate the odors that are already in the air. Spray it over her pod repeatedly in a single day to make your point. that is so tame and friendly...come on, get a can of Fart Spray and "give 'er" throughout the day...NOW WE'RE TALKIN! That's convenient, I don't have to buy anything extra, just eat cafeteria chili |
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We had the VP of our company literally pour a cologne on himself, choking many many people (not to mention the lingering smell as he walks around) |
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said by happylurk :said by Kardinal:said by happylurk :
Ever heard of incense genius?
I don't know what incense you use, but the incense I burn on occasion is made with natural ingredients like tree resin, hyssop, aloes, cassia, myrrh, onycha, saffron, cedar of Lebanon and the like, unlike cigarettes which contain things like benzene, formaldehyde, ammonia, acetone, or tar. I can't make a road or preserve a body with the stuff I have in incense....well, at least, not with the same results I'd get from those in cigarettes. I have news for you genius. The toxins in cigarette smoke are a natural byproduct of combustion of organic materials. Your "all natural" incense is no less toxic than a cuban cigar. Do you think cigarette manufacturers intentionally add vats of mercury and benzene to the mix? It's produced by burning vegetable matter naturally... Your ignorance of how these stats are compiled and twisted to suit the anti-smoking agenda is endemic of the general population of sheep out there who read these kinds of headlines at face value and have no clue why they're really against it but simply rather go along with the herd mentality... Clearly you failed all your chemistry classes.
Things like acetone bind differently with proteins and enter organs this way which is why they are TOXIC. Implying Incense is as toxic as a Cuban Cigar is just WOW! |
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Smoke is smoke... As far as second hand smoke is concerned you could burn pretty much any organic vegetable matter from incense to tobacco to wood to yesterday's garbage and the chemical composition for the most part will be the same. Just because nobody's bothered screaming in the media about the 2000 or so combustion byproducts in incense doesn't mean it's any less toxic...
Yes it is less toxic, and no the chemical structure of smoke is not the same at all. The smoke coming from bee smokers, a wildfire or a charcoal plant will have different chemical structures and affect us in different ways. |
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said by TigerLord:Clearly you failed all your chemistry classes. Things like acetone bind differently with proteins and enter organs this way which is why they are TOXIC. Implying Incense is as toxic as a Cuban Cigar is just WOW! TL is correct. Its not 100% natural at all (aside from the cuban cigar), and the by-products produced by ignition is more toxic than your incense.
Aside from the heavy metals that leech out (Cadmium is one of them) the polyaromatic hydrocarbons (PAH's) are the killer.
Some of the by-product is natural, most is not. Cigarettes are an ingenious ENGINEERED nicotine delivery system. The entire science behind a cigarette is kinetcis (physics, chemistry engineering) of delivering nicotine on the brain as fast as possible.
You won't get your nicotine fix as fast with something natural (ie natural cigarettes which would make you gag, and natural Cuban cigars).
The delivery system to get it to your brain as fast as possible includes carrier chemicals (non-natural) in the cigarette to delivery it to your brain via your lungs as fast as possible so you get the "fix" on your 1st or 2nd puff. This won't occur with the natural smokes.
The delivery mechanism is the science behind store bought smokes. Keeps you addicted, gets you a fix fast, gives you a more potent concentrated drug (nicotine) faster and better.
Its engineered to make you addicted and rely on it. Its engineered to deliver it as fast as possible. Its engineered to make it more potent, which leads to increased addiction, of which the addiction is more potent than heroin.
So what TigerLord said above is true.
If you had the same amount of PAH's in your tomato garden as you do from a smoke (one a 1:1 basis), your garden would be deemed a toxic hazard and you would have to remove the soil (never mind eating the food the grows from it).
bit of trivia, the body depends on all sorts of elements to function properly, copper is one of them. Smokers are the only ones who never have a copper deficiency, due to the copper being inhaled (read this in chem mag.).
anyhow, I can definitely see how 1st and 2nd hand smoke will kill.
I can also see how the settling of the combusted material (3rd hand smoke) can pose a threat depending on concentration. But personally I think the settling of other pollutants pose a greater risk to people. There is worse out there to complain about.
Maybe this 3rd hand smoke thing has merit in a closed smoking room where the concentration would be high enough to cause harm. So don't let your kids into a smoking room and let them lick that nice yellow wall. |
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Here ya go. Ya wanna argue about incense with someone who cares? Argue with the CMA and the CBC...
»www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/08/···?ref=rss
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Burning incense increases cancer risks: study
Last Updated: Monday, August 25, 2008 | 12:29 PM ET Comments44Recommend57
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Inhaling incense fumes over long periods increases the risk of developing cancers of the respiratory tract, a finding that applies to Asian populations worldwide, researchers warn.
Burning incense — a mix of plant materials and oils — is an integral part of daily life in large parts of Asia, as well as in North Africa and among Inuit populations.
Incense releases large amounts of smoke containing particulate matter that gets caught in the lungs, as well as possible carcinogens such as polyaromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), carbonyls and benzene.
Indoor concentrations of particulate matter from burning incense has been found to far exceed outdoor air quality standards, and can potentially produce more particulate matter than second-hand tobacco smoke, previous studies have shown.
Burning incense almost doubled the risk of squamous cell carcinomas in the upper respiratory tract, such as the nose and sinuses, tongue, mouth and larynx, said the researchers led by Dr. Jeppe Friborg of the epidemiology department at Statens Serum Institut in Copenhagen, Denmark.
Their findings are published in the Oct. 1 issue of the journal Cancer.
"Given the widespread and sometimes involuntary exposure to smoke of burning incense, these findings carry significant public health implications," the study's authors concluded.
"Besides initiatives to reduce incense smoke exposure, future studies should be undertaken to identify the least harmful types of incense."
While a cause-and-effect relationship could not be established in this type of study, experts suggest burning incense less often and improving ventilation to minimize the long-term risks.
The risk increased in both smokers and non-smokers, the study of more than 61,000 Singaporean Chinese found. The intensity and duration of incense use were also both linked to the levels of risk, Friborg's team found.
The overall risk of lung cancer did not appear to increase with incense use, but the study did suggest a link to increased risk of a specific type of disease, squamous cell carcinoma of the lung.
Participants were aged 45 to 74 and were free of cancer when they were first interviewed in 1993-1998. They were followed until 2005.
Over that time, a total of 325 upper respiratory tract cancers (including nasal/sinus, tongue, mouth, laryngeal and other cancers) and 821 lung cancers were found.
But I guess the Cosmic Flying Spaghetti Monster you worship when you do this will protect you from harm
Now you have no choice...
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Thanks for the objective and scientific explanation of the cigarette as a nicotine delivery system...
However, simply to add to that, since the 70's Governments have actually discouraged the tobacco industry from designing a safer cigarette and rejected outright many sincere proposals from the industry to do so...
Government's agenda, it seems, is to wipe out smoking by killing off the smokers themselves if they will not or can not quit.
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And just to clarify, since my main point seems to have eluded a few of you is this...
Sitting in a room with someone smoking a Cuban Cigar is o more and possibly less dangerous than sitting in a room with a burning stick of incense...
IN NO WAY was I saying that burning incense was more dangerous than ACTUALLY SMOKING THE CIGAR...
HOWEVER, from a 2nd Hand Smoke point of view, a cigarette or a cigar is no more dangerous than sitting in your living room around a smoky fireplace or partying with a burning stick of incense...
And yes, I agree, there are zillions of unknown chemical environmental hazards floating around our daily environment, but none of them have the 30 point headline quality of a good, solid, anti-tobacco story  I mean why work to actually make the world a safer place when smokers make such an easy target? |
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said by happylurk :
Smoke is smoke... As far as second hand smoke is concerned you could burn pretty much any organic vegetable matter from incense to tobacco to wood (snip)
Just because nobody's bothered screaming in the media about the 2000 or so combustion byproducts in incense doesn't mean it's any less toxic...
lol just noticed this:
»www.montrealgazette.com/Technolo···ory.html
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