Additionally in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21690263 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:47:47 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:47:47 EDT Re: Additionally http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21696572 hottboiinnc : And i forgot our cable company does the same thing. But when they do it they actually run a new HSI line from the tap to the house (at least they were going to do that for me), replaced the grounding block and a few other things. So couldn't complain about the install charge which is $20.00]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21696572 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:56:13 EDT Re: Additionally http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21692401 SilverSurfer :
said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Oddly enough, the only one applying the 'stupid' label to you is, well, you. But nice try.
LMAO. "Nice try" at what? You're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21692401 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:07:00 EDT Re: Additionally http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691783 funchords : Yeah, well my disasters were April and November of 2008.

Verizon's got a great network but terrible back-office and support systems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691783 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:20:12 EDT Re: Additionally http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691753 RadioDoc : That was pretty much the norm awhile back but (at least here in AT&T territory) self-install is very much plug and play now.
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said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Actually, anyone too stupid to do a self-install in today's market probably shouldn't have a computer anyway.
I see, so essentially you are assuming that I am not able to do a self-install and you obliquely calling me stupid. You really should have clicked on the I do not wish to post link before you published this little nugget of your "wisdom." :uhh:
Oddly enough, the only one applying the 'stupid' label to you is, well, you. But nice try.
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Actually, anyone too stupid to do a self-install in today's market probably shouldn't have a computer anyway.
I would have agreed with you had I not experienced two different provisioning nightmares with Verizon.

Self-install counts on good instructions and the back-end technology that works. Verizon had neither.
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

Actually, anyone too stupid to do a self-install in today's market probably shouldn't have a computer anyway.
I see, so essentially you are assuming that I am not able to do a self-install and you obliquely calling me stupid. You really should have clicked on the I do not wish to post link before you published this little nugget of your "wisdom." :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691102 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:33:27 EDT Re: Additionally http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691059 RadioDoc : That is pretty much how it works now.
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said by funchords See Profile :

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They have a real "can't do" attitude!
in my opinion, it's not the ILECs have a "can't do" attitude, it's they have a "been sitting around on their fat phone and DSL monopoly @ssess for too long and don't know how to compete anymore" attitude.

they were fat, dumb and happy after they killed all the clecs and line sharing died, then cable started real broadband deployment, followed by digital voice, while the telcos sat around until they got hit by the cable truck.

and I'm still not sure they get it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690543 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:43:29 EDT Re: Additionally http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690490 Eat Me : There's splitterless DSL today that uses filters.

There should be no need for a truck roll to install a DSL splitter.

When I had DSL a few years ago, Verizon gave me a self install kit that had the modem, power adapter, phone cord, a CD and a few filters. No tech had to come and install anything.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690490 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:34:35 EDT Re: Additionally http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690462 funchords :
said by SilverSurfer See Profile :

Case in point: My own rental unit already had the wiring in place by the local cable monopoly. I have considered several times getting DSL instead, however, that would entail a laundry list of inconvenience to me including:

(1) Taking time out of work to sit and wait for the DSL provider to show up and split the line into voice and data;

(2) Waiting on the local telco monopoly to provision the line, which, as previously experienced elsewhere, took 30-45 days.

Cable has many what some consider "unfair" advantages over DSL in more ways than just home ownership sales.
This is true but it is also somethings Telcos can and ought to fix.

They have a real "can't do" attitude!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690462 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:31:40 EDT Additionally http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690263 SilverSurfer :
2009 will see a 12% decline in subscriber growth. That's in part because the broadband market was already slowing down, but it's also thanks to the troubled economy and slow home sales (no new homes, no new connections).
I might also add that those who rent find units more often than not that already come cable-ready for HSI. Case in point: My own rental unit already had the wiring in place by the local cable monopoly. I have considered several times getting DSL instead, however, that would entail a laundry list of inconvenience to me including:

(1) Taking time out of work to sit and wait for the DSL provider to show up and split the line into voice and data;

(2) Waiting on the local telco monopoly to provision the line, which, as previously experienced elsewhere, took 30-45 days.

Cable has many what some consider "unfair" advantages over DSL in more ways than just home ownership sales.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690263 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:04:20 EDT