Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Telcos need to dump copper
Cable is eating their lunch. They need to dump the copper and put fiber in its place. Cable can currently offer faster speeds because it isn't limited by twisted pair unshielded wires. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Which the local cable company here is using on their ads. CableTv and HSI and BuckeyeTel operate over a state of the art fiber optic/Coax network right to your home. NOT the regular copper wire that the Phone Company has been using for decades for voice. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
 ·PenTeleData
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
| The cable company is a step ahead, but needs to go further.
They don't even have to go fiber all the way. They can do HFC with smaller nodes, and go to 1GHz. That will provide plenty of bandwidth for everyone.
Of course if they go fiber all the way they will be future proof for life. |
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noc3x
@comcast.net
| said by Eat Me  :Of course if they go fiber all the way they will be future proof for life. There is this little thing in the business world called Return on Investment (ROI). I know users don't care about it, but if 1% of the users need want FTTH and it costs billions of dollars given a rural and vast geography, yet the other 99% of users are happy with 50M-100Mbps+ speeds via D3+HFC+ new technology HFC systems... the bean counters and stock holders kind of shy away from the debt it would cost for so little ROI on the 1% take rate.
Now if I already have an all copper plant that has reached technology limits and I really NEED to upgrade for the masses, then sure FTTH may be good in redline/green field environments. |
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
| reply to Eat Me
said by Eat Me :They don't even have to go fiber all the way. They can do HFC with smaller nodes, and go to 1GHz. That will provide plenty of bandwidth for everyone. And why would cable cos. exercising and wanting to exercise caps want to provide bandwidth for all? There isn't any extra revenue generation in it if they upgrade their network and accomodate demand. OTOH, there is a king's ransom in overages and throttles. This isn't about meeting demand, it's about holding the subscriber upside down by his ankles and shaking out every last nickel from his pockets. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
·PenTeleData
·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
| reply to noc3x
Of course.
The business case in this case is subscriber churn. In the FiOS served areas, many are leaving for FiOS. The local cable TV offices are backed up because of people disconnecting service and returning equipment.
Furthermore, many are leaving their core business (TV) for satellite, which has a lot of bandwidth now thanks to multiple birds, and better HD thanks to MPEG4.
The future is HD content and on demand, but not necessarily via the cable provider's on demand system. People are watching content online from places like hulu and netflix. HFC may be up to the task if they go to 1GHz and deply MPEG-4, but the online portion still remains. |
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noc3x
@comcast.net
| said by Eat Me :The business case in this case is subscriber churn. In the FiOS served areas, many are leaving for FiOS. The local cable TV offices are backed up because of people disconnecting service and returning equipment. Unfortunately your statements are not backed up by facts. FiOS deployments are costing dozens of billions of dollars (plenty of fact sources for this). The $/home past installation expense right now may not be as high (due to VZ cherry picking, MDU's etc), but the law of large projects and basic US geography says that there will be higher cost mid-way and more at the end of the project
Do you have any idea how many years one needs to get a return on that investment? Given the death of twisted pair technology and the cost to maintain, I am not saying it is wrong for VZ to go with FTTH. I am saying if you have something better than twisted pair, you don't have to do FTTH.
Again FTTH is great in green-field, but your statements of abandoning HFC like infrastructure, which has many technology miles left in it, for FTTH does not have a good business case. I understand the wish for it, but to quote a very pertinent line...
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You can't always get what you want....
But you might find
You get what you need..
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