Re: I love.. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21692049 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:12:17 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:12:17 EDT Re: I love.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21723917 en102 :
said by dadkins See Profile :

said by Pizz See Profile :

To pay top dollar for an inferior product. I guess it's the american way!
Didn't read it, did you?

"... cable will gobble up 75% of all new customer additions next year, due to slower DSL speeds and limited deployment of FiOS and U-Verse."

Yeah, you let me know when people can subscribe to something that doesn't exist!
Cable is on the pole(or in the ground), DSL is too slow, FiOS and Uverse are nowhere to be seen... What will you do?
DUH! Get cable!

No blistering symmetrical fiber available?
Well, not alot you or I can do about it, is there?
Move to Santa Clara, CA... :o
I agree for the most part.

Santa Clarita:

ADSL: 3-6Mbps (I qualify for 3Mbps) - $40/month w/o phone service. $25/month with POTS packages (read $80/month after POTS package)

Uverse: 1.5-18Mbps - $55 month for standalone 10Mbps (I think is the minimum standalone). $90/month for a triple play including VoIP (which is still non existent in SoCal :uhh: ) which would mean add another $25/month between items not included and taxes/unfees.

FiOS: Santa Clarita is an AT&T exlusive valley - no VZ here

Cable: TWC - $47/month for HSI (6-10Mbps) standalone :)

If I was to go for the absolute bottom pricing - it would be ADSL. However, since I need phone service too, Cable bundle is less expensive than the AT&T bundle.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21723917 Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:48:45 EDT Re: I love.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21692614 S_engineer : Wait a second, since when is using what your paying for a point of contention. The excuse these companies are using to implement these traffic management systems is "the bandwidth hogs are using too much", and you've fallen hook line and sinker. First of all, (at the time) unlimited plans mean...pay attention to the keyword here...UNLIMITED.
In a rush to become bigger, these companies oversold already taxed networks. Now to placate the shareholders, the carriers have to figure out a way to incrementally upgrade because they can't spend whats necessary to upgrade their networks to meet the demand of an unlimited network.
In come the excuses...blame the bandwidth hogs...blame the lack of bandwidth, and best of all is that is mostly the p2p networks.
This is not an argument about "I want I want I want" , rather it's always an argument about "I want whats spelled out in my contract". Plus, what about the millions of dollars in tax incentives that were given to carriers from then President Clinton for the purpose of HSI?
Did you label them as greedy too because they "wanted it"?
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People are pushing their hands and they have no choice but to have protections in place to deal with it.. and if not for now, for later as well. Technology and upgrades can't keep up with bandwidth hogs and sites and purposes that feed them (p2p)..

So sorry, I disagree. For MANY people that complain about the day time or evening slow downs, you should be happy that they are increasing the protections. And, to say "upgrade your service".. well, if anyone knows anything cable the cable environment.. no matter how much you upgrade, someone's going to cause issues. It's a shared medium that can be abused. And FURTHER, nationwide upgrades don't happen over night when you're talking about rebuilding plant.. it's easier to update a data center with some hardware to put a fix in place until they can play catch up.

You guys also have this notion that they sit back and do nothing every day, which is also just plain wrong. It's not you going to the store and buying a faster wireless router and plugging it in. It's not like buying a whole new computer or faster NIC. People think that they should upgrade their networks every year or something.. what you don't realize is that there is work ongoing all the time to advance their networks. And, for some who think that they should just rebuild their entire feeder system.. I won't even go there.

All this "I want I want I want" equals just as much greed as what people throw back the way of the provider.. it takes time. I think that going from up to 1.5 to the 30 and 50 meg speeds we're starting to see today in just 8 years is pretty damn good if you ask me.

And, you've yet to be screwed.. you're getting a service for about the same price you've always paid (average and majority consumer) so being screwed becuase they're not jumping to give you fiber over night is absurd* (*the most common complaint)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21692116 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:16:16 EDT Re: I love.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21692049 tubbynet :
said by S_engineer See Profile :

Nobody that enjoys HSI would leap back into the stone age of dial up, it's too impractical in this day and age.
exactly. the carriers know this and thats why they have us by the proverbial nuts.
caps, overages, throttling, mafiaa collusion, rate hikes, poor customer service, bring it all. they know the average customer won't care or won't switch. they may mouth off, but the words never have any potency behind them. capitalism at its finest: how can we screw our customers for more money day? (tm) :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21692049 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:01:58 EDT Re: I love.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21691690 S_engineer : Well you're right about the dial up dilemma. Nobody that enjoys HSI would leap back into the stone age of dial up, it's too impractical in this day and age. However, the monthly erosion of services coupled with the implementation of caps, traffic management tools, and higher prices are now making me question just how much I require these services.
What the heck was the purpose of enticing everyone with DOCSIS 3 if the subscriber can't use it to its fullest potential. Wow, I can reach the "best effort" faster?
The carriers have learned from our government how to implement policies under the premise of a false crisis (bandwidth crisis). It's all bullsh*t geared towards putting the subscriber on metered billing.
Its just a matter of time.
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By contrast (using figures from the article) the average per subscriber cost in Japan is $759.08 per year and in Germany is $472.10 per year. China came in by far the cheapest per subscriber-year at $96.46.

In other words, among the three developed nations on the list, the US had the best prices overall.
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I love those that rant on principle claiming they'd move to dial up over any kind of broadband.. I mean, come on.. no one really does that no matter what.

I'd rather pay $40 a month for broadband internet with a generous, the MOST generous, caps of all players (even your DSL that you can't get, is talking about implementing) than take a dial up service for even $10. I'd rather roll up my $10 bill and smoke it than give it to a dial up carrier. ;)

I know people are bitching about the caps and traffic management now.. however right or justified it may be to those doing it, I think it's premature and time to wait and see. Just like claiming to go dial up, people claim that they are being hurt - while the truth is many don't have a clue if they are anywhere near affected.

When change comes in when the masses notice.. not the few rebel and so-called warriors. (those here at this site) As soon as the masses are affected, change comes.. and even not influenced by the masses, the short-falls in the system are usually worked out anywhere and those management practices are usually lifted anyway.

Basically.. chill for a while becuase I don't think it's as bad for Comcast land as people want it to be.. where I DO feel sorry is AT&T, TWC, and Frontier people. Now THAT is a mess.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690996 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:13:22 EDT Re: I love.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690500 S_engineer : Your right about that...I live on the perimeter of DSL land, not that I'd want it, but its not an option. So the choice is WOW, Comcrap, or dial-up. And in light of Comcraps new traffic control methods, I'm now considering unplugging. I'm way to impatient for dial up... maybe I'll just see if Mark Goldstein still has his high speed NetZero! :D
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- Moe Larry and Curly (MEN IN BLACK, 1934)...These are the guys we have in Congress]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690500 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:36:25 EDT Re: I love.. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21690387 dadkins :
said by Pizz See Profile :

To pay top dollar for an inferior product. I guess it's the american way!
Didn't read it, did you?

"... cable will gobble up 75% of all new customer additions next year, due to slower DSL speeds and limited deployment of FiOS and U-Verse."

Yeah, you let me know when people can subscribe to something that doesn't exist!
Cable is on the pole(or in the ground), DSL is too slow, FiOS and Uverse are nowhere to be seen... What will you do?
DUH! Get cable!

No blistering symmetrical fiber available?
Well, not alot you or I can do about it, is there?
Move to Santa Clara, CA... :o
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