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Matt
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Re: Ubuntu v's Windows

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said by Matt See Profile :

I don't think Linux can be a LogMeIn Host. A client accessing a remote host yes, but I don't believe it can be a host.
Ahh, that will change the outcome quite considerably then.
Much appreciate the information.

So how do you remote desktop to a linux distro then?
You would need to use a Windows VNC Client and forward the appropriate ports in the router after enabling Desktop Sharing or whatever it is that Ubuntu calls it.


norwegian
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said by Matt See Profile :

I don't think Linux can be a LogMeIn Host. A client accessing a remote host yes, but I don't believe it can be a host.
Ahh, that will change the outcome quite considerably then.
Much appreciate the information.

So how do you remote desktop to a linux distro then?
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SipSizzurp
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said by norwegian See Profile :

...LogMeIn works fine ... from a Windows box?
If you use Windows then you can use it's native remote desktop system. If I were you I would use Windows with either MS Steady State, or better yet, Deep Freeze. With DF it would be completely malware and goof proof. You could still remote in and thaw the machine to install new software or change configs, then freeze it back.
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Matt
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said by SipSizzurp See Profile :

What kind of issue do you anticipate ?
Hopefullly nothing, LogMeIn works fine with Ubuntu, or for that matter any other distro, from a Windows box?
I don't think Linux can be a LogMeIn Host. A client accessing a remote host yes, but I don't believe it can be a host.


norwegian
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What kind of issue do you anticipate ?
Hopefullly nothing, LogMeIn works fine with Ubuntu, or for that matter any other distro, from a Windows box?
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Matt
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said by Matt See Profile :

I have to disable a ton of running services (really, who still uses ISDN and Bluetooth on a server guys? Come on ...) to pare it down to only what we need.
The only way you would have bluetooth running was if you have bluetooth hardware, who puts bluetooth hardware on a server (I know of one place that does and its a very good security reason, but unless your servers are buried deep inside a mountain sort of thing it might be considered overkill )?
I run standard Dell 1950 and 2950 servers with no Bluetooth hardware yet in CentOS 5, Bluetooth (and ISDN) is enabled out of the box on a default install. Go figure.

Perhaps they are loadable modules and they never actually load? I haven't explored that aspect.

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said by norwegian See Profile :

The only issue then is the remote desktop configuration.
What kind of issue do you anticipate ?
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norwegian
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said by Link Logger See Profile :

What email service is your mom using, an ISP account where she need to receive and store her email on her computer or a web service such as gmail? If its the latter setup her Windows with SteadyState ( »www.microsoft.com/windows/produc···ult.mspx ) and that way she gets a fresh clean Windows environment every time she logs in, no matter what evils attacked her before.
I had forgotten about this tool, and most likely it will be easier to download email to the desktop, but webmail is how it is done here. I will have to ponder on this one a little more because if it is Windows, it may be an easier way to deal with it. The only issue then is the remote desktop configuration.

said by Link Logger See Profile :

Is the IM going include video, if so then pidgin is out.

Blake
Maybe not straight up, but I can't see her not wanting to "see" her grandkids.
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norwegian
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said by Dakota1991 :

If you have a Seagate or Maxtor drive in the computer then use either OS to build the system the way she needs it.....then go to Seagate's web site and download a free OEM version of Acronis TrueImage. Once you have the computer fully configured, make an image of the C partition and configure the Acronis to provide a bootup option (Hit F11 to load Acronis).
I didn't know this, sounds a good idea, but, being a laptop, it will be an external one.
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Link Logger
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said by Matt See Profile :

I have to disable a ton of running services (really, who still uses ISDN and Bluetooth on a server guys? Come on ...) to pare it down to only what we need.
The only way you would have bluetooth running was if you have bluetooth hardware, who puts bluetooth hardware on a server (I know of one place that does and its a very good security reason, but unless your servers are buried deep inside a mountain sort of thing it might be considered overkill )?

What email service is your mom using, an ISP account where she need to receive and store her email on her computer or a web service such as gmail? If its the latter setup her Windows with SteadyState ( »www.microsoft.com/windows/produc···ult.mspx ) and that way she gets a fresh clean Windows environment every time she logs in, no matter what evils attacked her before.

Is the IM going include video, if so then pidgin is out.

Blake
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Dakota1991

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If you have a Seagate or Maxtor drive in the computer then use either OS to build the system the way she needs it, but configure the apps to save the data to a separate drive partition. Then go to Seagate's web site and download a free OEM version of Acronis TrueImage. Once you have the computer fully configured, make an image of the C partition and configure the Acronis to provide a bootup option (Hit F11 to load Acronis).

This will avoid most of your troubleshooting/tech support. If your mom runs into any problems later, you can just tell her to reboot and hit the F11 key when told to do so and follow the prompts to reload a known good image. The computer might have to download the updates that have been released since you created the image, but that shouldn't be a major issue. You could even teach her how to create images herself so she could perform her own backups.


Maccawolf
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IM software in Ubuntu repositories is ICQ. I've been using it for many years (even before I switched to Ubuntu). I greatly prefer it over any other of the WINDOWS compatible IM programs.
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ravencajun
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I will throw in another vote for SimplyMepis linux I have been using Mepis7 for quite some time and love it, for the things you said she will be using it for there should be no problems, it comes with pretty much everything you need and the repositories through synaptic are very easy to use, Mepis just works right out of the box for most everything and has the built in assistants which are a plus.
I rarely use my Windows boxes these days. I am in the "older" category also and have been able to handle it just fine. It comes with ClamAv and guarddog firewall too.
I use Kopete for IM and have had no problems at all. I tried ubuntu and gnome but really much prefer a KDE desktop and like Mepis better. There is an excellent forum also at mepislovers.
You can of course add the other IM clients if you prefer them.
Putting it on a machine you have yourself would be a great idea and you may find your self switching over too.
Good luck what ever you choose to do.
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EveryName
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Just use Windows, and set her up with a good anti-virus. Windows is easier to use.


JohnInSJ
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said by quatrix See Profile :

Ubuntu is fun to play with once in a while, but hardware drivers are a pain, even for major manufacturers such as NVIDIA and Creative. When I realized that I spent 90% of the time installing updates or fighting with drivers instead of actually USING Ubuntu, I stopped bothering.
I can eliminate these issues before it ships, doubt there will be a great deal of hardware to install later and as for updating drivers, can't see a lot needed there.

My inexperience with Ubuntu though has me querying how big an issue will drivers be down the road. I doubt she will be loading a lot onto the box to change the configuration or cause a driver conflict, at least the first 6-12 months anyway. So will driver issues be a bug?

Also I can keep a file of the installers on the box, or on a CD so if there is a need to uninstall/install it will be as smooth as possible.
I'd do ubuntu, personally, if I had the choice. Drivers won't be an issue in the current version, assuming the hardware isn't stoneage.


norwegian
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Also, before I forget it, a warm thankyou for everyone who has replied. All the best for the year ahead.
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norwegian
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Ubuntu is fun to play with once in a while, but hardware drivers are a pain, even for major manufacturers such as NVIDIA and Creative. When I realized that I spent 90% of the time installing updates or fighting with drivers instead of actually USING Ubuntu, I stopped bothering.
I can eliminate these issues before it ships, doubt there will be a great deal of hardware to install later and as for updating drivers, can't see a lot needed there.

My inexperience with Ubuntu though has me querying how big an issue will drivers be down the road. I doubt she will be loading a lot onto the box to change the configuration or cause a driver conflict, at least the first 6-12 months anyway. So will driver issues be a bug?

Also I can keep a file of the installers on the box, or on a CD so if there is a need to uninstall/install it will be as smooth as possible.
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norwegian
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said by salzan See Profile :

Getting the wireless connection to work reliably was the biggest problem I had with setting up Ubuntu. Would you be at your Mom's place to get it all set up and running?

Will you be able to talk her through getting it to work by phone if she loses connection?
Very valid point. No I will not.

I will have the laptop here till I am happy with the end result before passing it on. So the connection may be better looked at from my end first.

If I organise the hardware to connect, I can set it all up here at home, shut down everything not needed, password protect everything that needs it and when it comes to sending it to her, organise what passwords she will use for the ISP connection before it ships and she has it connected. That way it will be basically plug it in and nothing to do so troubleshooting can be eliminated before it gets there.

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norwegian
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My question would be, how comfortable are YOU with Ubuntu.

Regardless of any other fact, she's going to come to YOU when she has problems. If you don't know how to address them, it's going to be more of a headache than going with something you're familiar with. (The same with Windows if you're an Ubuntu / Mac person)

Go with what you know how to fix.
This is a concern, but I think if I go against Windows, I will have to install here locally the O/S she gets, so when it comes to troubleshooting, I can walk her through it.

Where as, Windows, well, I can walk anyone through it with confidence, due to I am experienced enough to have this not be a concern.
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EveryName
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COD4, Halo and snes/nes emulators are all on Mac.
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