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<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:40:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  norwegian <A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I don't think Linux can be a LogMeIn Host. A client accessing a remote host yes, but I don't believe it can be a host.<br> </div>Ahh, that will change the outcome quite considerably then.<br>Much appreciate the information.<br><br>So how do you remote desktop to a linux distro then?  <br> </div>You would need to use a Windows VNC Client and forward the appropriate ports in the router after enabling Desktop Sharing or whatever it is that Ubuntu calls it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I don't think Linux can be a LogMeIn Host. A client accessing a remote host yes, but I don't believe it can be a host.<br> </div>Ahh, that will change the outcome quite considerably then.<br>Much appreciate the information.<br><br>So how do you remote desktop to a linux distro then?  <br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:02:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><b>SipSizzurp</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  norwegian <A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>...LogMeIn works fine ... from a Windows box? <br> </div>If you use Windows then you can use it's native remote desktop system. If I were you I would use Windows with either MS Steady State, or better yet, Deep Freeze. With DF it would be completely malware and goof proof. You could still remote in and thaw the machine to install new software or change configs, then freeze it back.<br><small>--<br>I spent <b><i>most</i></b> of my money on Women and Beer, and the rest I just wasted !</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:14:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  norwegian <A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  SipSizzurp <A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>What kind of issue do you anticipate ?<br> </div>Hopefullly nothing, LogMeIn works fine with Ubuntu, or for that matter any other distro, from a Windows box? <br> </div>I don't think Linux can be a LogMeIn Host. A client accessing a remote host yes, but I don't believe it can be a host.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:33:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  SipSizzurp <A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>What kind of issue do you anticipate ?<br> </div>Hopefullly nothing, LogMeIn works fine with Ubuntu, or for that matter any other distro, from a Windows box? <br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:28:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Link Logger <A HREF="/useremail/u/356416"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I have to disable a ton of running services (really, who still uses ISDN and Bluetooth on a server guys? Come on ...) to pare it down to only what we need.</div>The only way you would have bluetooth running was if you have bluetooth hardware, who puts bluetooth hardware on a server (I know of one place that does and its a very good security reason, but unless your servers are buried deep inside a mountain sort of thing it might be considered overkill ;))?<br> </div>I run standard Dell 1950 and 2950 servers with no Bluetooth hardware yet in CentOS 5, Bluetooth (and ISDN) is enabled out of the box on a default install. Go figure.<br><br>Perhaps they are loadable modules and they never actually load? I haven't explored that aspect.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:30:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><b>SipSizzurp</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  norwegian <A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The only issue then is the remote desktop configuration. </div>What kind of issue do you anticipate ?<br><small>--<br>I spent <b><i>most</i></b> of my money on Women and Beer, and the rest I just wasted !</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:07:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Link Logger <A HREF="/useremail/u/356416"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>What email service is your mom using, an ISP account where she need to receive and store her email on her computer or a web service such as gmail?  If its the latter setup her Windows with SteadyState ( &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/sharedaccess/default.mspx" >www.microsoft.com/windows/produc&middot;&middot;&middot;ult.mspx</A> ) and that way she gets a fresh clean Windows environment every time she logs in, no matter what evils attacked her before.<br> </div>I had forgotten about this tool, and most likely it will be easier to download email to the desktop, but webmail is how it is done here. I will have to ponder on this one a little more because if it is Windows, it may be an easier way to deal with it. The only issue then is the remote desktop configuration.  <br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Link Logger <A HREF="/useremail/u/356416"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Is the IM going include video, if so then pidgin is out.<br><br>Blake<br> </div>Maybe not straight up, but I can't see her not wanting to "see" her grandkids. :)<br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:42:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Dakota1991 :</small><br><br>If you have a Seagate or Maxtor drive in the computer then use either OS to build the system the way she needs it.....then go to Seagate's web site and download a free OEM version of Acronis TrueImage.  Once you have the computer fully configured, make an image of the C partition and configure the Acronis to provide a bootup option (Hit F11 to load Acronis).<br> </div>I didn't know this, sounds a good idea, but, being a laptop, it will be an external one.  <br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:39:05 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/356416"><b>Link Logger</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Matt <A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I have to disable a ton of running services (really, who still uses ISDN and Bluetooth on a server guys? Come on ...) to pare it down to only what we need.</div>The only way you would have bluetooth running was if you have bluetooth hardware, who puts bluetooth hardware on a server (I know of one place that does and its a very good security reason, but unless your servers are buried deep inside a mountain sort of thing it might be considered overkill ;))?<br><br>What email service is your mom using, an ISP account where she need to receive and store her email on her computer or a web service such as gmail?  If its the latter setup her Windows with SteadyState ( &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/sharedaccess/default.mspx" >www.microsoft.com/windows/produc&middot;&middot;&middot;ult.mspx</A> ) and that way she gets a fresh clean Windows environment every time she logs in, no matter what evils attacked her before.<br><br>Is the IM going include video, if so then pidgin is out.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:48:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : If you have a Seagate or Maxtor drive in the computer then use either OS to build the system the way she needs it, but configure the apps to save the data to a separate drive partition.  Then go to Seagate's web site and download a free OEM version of Acronis TrueImage.  Once you have the computer fully configured, make an image of the C partition and configure the Acronis to provide a bootup option (Hit F11 to load Acronis).<br><br>This will avoid most of your troubleshooting/tech support.  If your mom runs into any problems later, you can just tell her to reboot and hit the F11 key when told to do so and follow the prompts to reload a known good image.  The computer might have to download the updates that have been released since you created the image, but that shouldn't be a major issue.  You could even teach her how to create images herself so she could perform her own backups.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:25:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/320321"><b>Maccawolf</b></A> : IM software in  Ubuntu repositories is ICQ. I've been using it for many years (even before I switched to Ubuntu). I greatly prefer it over any other of the WINDOWS compatible IM programs.<br><small>--<br>Mom and Crockett...... I miss you both!</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:10:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1056836"><b>ravencajun</b></A> : I will throw in another vote for SimplyMepis linux I have been using Mepis7 for quite some time and love it, for the things you said she will be using it for there should be no problems, it comes with pretty much everything you need and the repositories through synaptic are very easy to use, Mepis just works right out of the box for most everything and has the built in assistants which are a plus.<br>I rarely use my Windows boxes these days. I am in the "older" category also and have been able to handle it just fine. It comes with ClamAv and guarddog firewall too.<br>I use Kopete for IM and have had no problems at all. I tried ubuntu and gnome but really much prefer a KDE desktop and like Mepis better. There is an excellent forum also at mepislovers.<br>You can of course add the other IM clients if you prefer them.<br>Putting it on a machine you have yourself would be a great idea and you may find your self switching over too.<br>Good luck what ever you choose to do.<br><small>--<br>Registered Linux user:476595</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:35:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/531095"><b>EveryName</b></A> : Just use Windows, and set her up with a good anti-virus. Windows is easier to use.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:19:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/878241"><b>JohnInSJ</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  norwegian <A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  quatrix <A HREF="/useremail/u/1157186"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Ubuntu is fun to play with once in a while, but hardware drivers are a pain, even for major manufacturers such as NVIDIA and Creative.  When I realized that I spent 90% of the time installing updates or fighting with drivers instead of actually USING Ubuntu, I stopped bothering.<br> </div>I can eliminate these issues before it ships, doubt there will be a great deal of hardware to install later and as for updating drivers, can't see a lot needed there.<br><br>My inexperience with Ubuntu though has me querying how big an issue will drivers be down the road. I doubt she will be loading a lot onto the box to change the configuration or cause a driver conflict, at least the first 6-12 months anyway. So will driver issues be a bug?<br><br>Also I can keep a file of the installers on the box, or on a CD so if there is a need to uninstall/install it will be as smooth as possible. <br> </div>I'd do ubuntu, personally, if I had the choice. Drivers won't be an issue in the current version, assuming the hardware isn't stoneage.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:48:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : <br>Also, before I forget it, a warm thankyou for everyone who has replied. All the best for the year ahead.<br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:34:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  quatrix <A HREF="/useremail/u/1157186"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Ubuntu is fun to play with once in a while, but hardware drivers are a pain, even for major manufacturers such as NVIDIA and Creative.  When I realized that I spent 90% of the time installing updates or fighting with drivers instead of actually USING Ubuntu, I stopped bothering.<br> </div>I can eliminate these issues before it ships, doubt there will be a great deal of hardware to install later and as for updating drivers, can't see a lot needed there.<br><br>My inexperience with Ubuntu though has me querying how big an issue will drivers be down the road. I doubt she will be loading a lot onto the box to change the configuration or cause a driver conflict, at least the first 6-12 months anyway. So will driver issues be a bug?<br><br>Also I can keep a file of the installers on the box, or on a CD so if there is a need to uninstall/install it will be as smooth as possible. <br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  salzan <A HREF="/useremail/u/928459"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Getting the wireless connection to work reliably was the biggest problem I had with setting up Ubuntu. Would you be at your Mom's place to get it all set up and running?<br><br>Will you be able to talk her through getting it to work by phone if she loses connection?<br> </div>Very valid point. No I will not. <br><br>I will have the laptop here till I am happy with the end result before passing it on. So the connection may be better looked at from my end first.<br><br>If I organise the hardware to connect, I can set it all up here at home, shut down everything not needed, password protect everything that needs it and when it comes to sending it to her, organise what passwords she will use for the ISP connection before it ships and she has it connected. That way it will be basically plug it in and nothing to do so troubleshooting can be eliminated before it gets there.<br><br> <br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Jahntassa <A HREF="/useremail/u/1349487"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>My question would be, how comfortable are YOU with Ubuntu.<br><br>Regardless of any other fact, she's going to come to YOU when she has problems. If you don't know how to address them, it's going to be more of a headache than going with something you're familiar with. (The same with Windows if you're an Ubuntu / Mac person)<br><br>Go with what you know how to fix.<br> </div>This is a concern, but I think if I go against Windows, I will have to install here locally the O/S she gets, so when it comes to troubleshooting, I can walk her through it.<br><br>Where as, Windows, well, I can walk anyone through it with confidence, due to I am experienced enough to have this not be a concern.<br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1157186"><b>quatrix</b></A> : Ubuntu is fun to play with once in a while, but hardware drivers are a pain, even for major manufacturers such as NVIDIA and Creative.  When I realized that I spent 90% of the time installing updates or fighting with drivers instead of actually USING Ubuntu, I stopped bothering.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><b>avd706</b></A> : The problem is that only you will maintain it if something goes bad. If you install windows and she has a problem, she might run to the next door teenager before she bugs you. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/928459"><b>salzan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  norwegian <A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>As for the router, being she will want the functionality of wireless, I think the best approach is getting a wireless router, or a router, then wireless endpoint, as our wireless in Australia is...well...a rip off, especially if using a cam to chat comes into play.<br> </div>Getting the wireless connection to work reliably was the biggest problem I had with setting up Ubuntu. Would you be at your Mom's place to get it all set up and running?<br><br>Will you be able to talk her through getting it to work by phone if she loses connection?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  SLD <A HREF="/useremail/u/617842"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm using Ubuntu server on all of my datacenter boxes and it is great!<br> </div>Not to derail the thread, but I have a single VM that is Ubuntu (CentOS time skew in a VM is STILL not fixed. Come on guys, it's only been what, 3 years or so?) and I am starting to enjoy it. As the guy responsible for security as well, I like the fact it's so stripped down it doesn't even come with SSH out of the box! With our CentOS installs, I have to disable a ton of running services (really, who still uses ISDN and Bluetooth on a server guys? Come on ...) to pare it down to only what we need.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/617842"><b>SLD</b></A> : If it weren't for a few Windows based apps that I need to run, such as Visual Studio, I'd switch to Ubuntu.  I've already migrated many of the current apps I'm running from commercial to stuff like OpenOffice.org, Thunderbird and GIMP.  I'm tired of paying for all of the upgrades (or at least the thought of paying ;) )<br><br>I'm using Ubuntu server on all of my datacenter boxes and it is great!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/617842"><b>SLD</b></A> : I use it on Vista...LOL.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/843138"><b>Matt</b></A> : If you know Windows, go with Windows if you'll be supporting it. If you want to experiment with another operating system, do it on a machine you have physical access to.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1349487"><b>Jahntassa</b></A> : My question would be, how comfortable are YOU with Ubuntu.<br><br>Regardless of any other fact, she's going to come to YOU when she has problems. If you don't know how to address them, it's going to be more of a headache than going with something you're familiar with. (The same with Windows if you're an Ubuntu / Mac person)<br><br>Go with what you know how to fix.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/878241"><b>JohnInSJ</b></A> : IM client in ubuntu is pidgin (used to be called Gaim) and it works just dandy with every IM system you can think of)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : I've had mom on Mepis 6 for two years? Seems that long, what is great is all I've had to do is reboot the cable modem once in a while, she's behind a NAT, so no worries. <br><br>All she needs is point and click and Mepis works great.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/443491"><b>Nightfall</b></A> : Just based on the fact that she has no previous experience, I would think either Windows or Ubuntu would be a good choice.  You just have to keep in mind the benefits/drawbacks of each option.<br><br>For instance, lets say she gets very comfortable with Ubuntu, and one of her friends gives her a CD that has a game on it for her to play.  Its only Windows based and she really wants to play it.  Do you want to be responsible for troubleshooting that and trying to find ways to get it working?<br><br>Don't get me wrong, I am a big proponent of Ubuntu and Windows.  I have both in my home and I love them both.  However, when handing out an OS to someone remotely, I have learned that Windows may be the best option.<br><br>If you load the proper utilities on a Windows based system, you won't have any issues with security.  Thats a fact.<br><br>No matter which you choose though, you will be required to hand hold a bit.  So, choose wisely.  My choice would be to just stick with Windows and call it good.  Install a yearly subscription with Symantec Antivirus OR go with a free antivirus solution with AVG.  Turn on the firewall and you are good to go.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.nightfall.net">My domain - Nightfall.net</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  norwegian <A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>     :</small><br><br>Both you and <b>Vampirefo</b> are saying the same thing here. I've not found an IM client to run. Is Gaim the only one, if so will it work with others enough?</div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_(software)" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin_(software)</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopete" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopete</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabber_(instant_messaging_client)" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabber_(in&middot;&middot;&middot;_client)</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabbim_(client)" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabbim_(client)</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_(instant_messaging_client)" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_(insta&middot;&middot;&middot;_client)</A><br><br>Goggle for others. Pidgin (Gaim) & Kopete seem to be the most popular.<br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  norwegian <A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>     :</small><br><br>what of software for them that may need installing, how limiting is some of the choices that may come into play later?</div>Good question. Selecting a distribution with large repositories will offer the most choices down the road. A Debian based distro as well as openSUSE offer huge repos with vast software collections. <br><br>openSUSE maintains their repos 24/7 with the latest software and patches. Other distros do not. The newest versions are made available ASAP. This may be an important consideration. And YaST is a wonderful OS/software manager.<br><br>And, as you know, no 3rd party security of any kind is needed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/274243"><b>GILXA1226</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Sindows 7 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1393092"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Which of these games can I play on any OS besides Windows?<br> </div>Actually Using Wine you should be able to play all right now save for maybe GTAIV, I think there are still a few issues with that.  Other than that you'd be good.  Plus, IIRC Return to Castle Wolfenstein has a linux version that lets you load the game blob data off of the CD, so you don't need Wine in that case.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/260736"><b>Vampirefo</b></A> : For IM's use Pidgin Internet Messenger this covers almost every client including irc. <br><small>--<br>Best RegardsVampirefo</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><b>ilago</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  norwegian <A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  KodiacZiller <A HREF="/useremail/u/1578887"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If security is your primary concern, then I recommend one of the following "easy to use" Linux distros:<br><br>Ubuntu<br>PCLOS<br>Mandriva<br>Linux Mint<br><br>If you don't mind running a 32 bit system, then PCLOS is definitely the way to go for a beginner.  Like with most Linux distros, installing software is as easy as opening up the package manager and browsing for what you want. </div>I will have a browse over these but what of software for them that may need installing, how limiting is some of the choices that may come into play later? Guess I need to do a little research.  <br><br> </div>If you select a KDE desktop, then Kopete is built-in. It is not the same as Gaim. It may be worth also asking this here &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/unixdsl">All Things Unix</A><br><br>I don't use a webcam but I'm aware of several other people that do successfully use video chat on various linux distros.<br><br>I'd second the choice of distros although I prefer PCLinuxOS running KDE as the desktop rather than Gnome. I'm using openSuse one box and PCLinuxOS on my laptop. <br><br>The linux user groups are usually helpful and I think most Australian states have active mailing lists for questions and assistance. The SA linux user group is active and helpful &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.linux.org.au/usergroups" >www.linux.org.au/usergroups</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  KodiacZiller <A HREF="/useremail/u/1578887"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If security is your primary concern, then I recommend one of the following "easy to use" Linux distros:<br><br>Ubuntu<br>PCLOS<br>Mandriva<br>Linux Mint<br><br>If you don't mind running a 32 bit system, then PCLOS is definitely the way to go for a beginner.  Like with most Linux distros, installing software is as easy as opening up the package manager and browsing for what you want. </div>I will have a browse over these but what of software for them that may need installing, how limiting is some of the choices that may come into play later? Guess I need to do a little research.  <br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  KodiacZiller <A HREF="/useremail/u/1578887"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>As for security, be sure to tell your mom to use a user account (you will be prompted to set one up when you install, and most distros won't allow you to log-in to the desktop as root anyway).  If she has a router, you won't need to enable IPtables (firewall) since outgoing connections won't be an issue (since viruses and trojans are non-existent and cannot install themselves even if they were).  No AV or other such junk will be needed.<br> </div>This is what I'm considering Linux for to start with, it is her inexperience and emails off others that will nail the box, knowing all too well emails off friends who do not research what they are doing only to pass it on to someone else who knows even less.<br><br>As for the router, being she will want the functionality of wireless, I think the best approach is getting a wireless router, or a router, then wireless endpoint, as our wireless in Australia is...well...a rip off, especially if using a cam to chat comes into play.<br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Any general Linux distro should be able to do all that's needed, including Ubuntu. I've not used Ubuntu extensively either. </div>Both you and <b>Vampirefo</b> are saying the same thing here. I've not found an IM client to run. Is Gaim the only one, if so will it work with others enough?<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>BTW - you can keep Windows installed along with Linux. You are not required to delete it. </div>I really can't see the point in that. It would be easier to just uninstall, source Microsoft to obtain the OEM and have it for another machine.<br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  salzan <A HREF="/useremail/u/928459"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I put Ubuntu on my Wife's computer when I rebuilt it and, for day to day surfing, email, writing letters and such, it's fine. It even recognizes her digital camera just like Windows does. From her standpoint, there is no difference. </div>The only problem I can tell is the IM client. I can't see this setup not having an IM on. Whether we need to look at video due to our expensive connections down under is another thing.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  salzan <A HREF="/useremail/u/928459"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>With that said, if you know little about Linux and are going to attempt to work on it remotely, I wouldn't recommend it.<br> </div>This is one of my biggest concerns and half the reason I asked here before being a fool and rushing it off to her, only to find this may be an issue later.<br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/928459"><b>salzan</b></A> : I put Ubuntu on my Wife's computer when I rebuilt it and, for day to day surfing, email, writing letters and such, it's fine. It even recognizes her digital camera just like Windows does. From her standpoint, there is no difference.<br><br>With that said, if you know little about Linux and are going to attempt to work on it remotely, I wouldn't recommend it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <br>I may point out, the laptop is coming free too, so this is why windows is already on it, it is only a 32-bit box.<br>She won't be a gamer either, just mail/photos/IM really, maybe next year it will change, but she is near 60!<br><br>MAC O/S, sarcasm aside is a very dear box to buy! Even though my Apple IIc at the time, I would not have looked elsewhere, and Macintosh then were way out of my league. :)<br><br>thanks for the input so far everyone.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Sindows 7 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1393092"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Which of these games can I play on any OS besides Windows?<br> </div>Wolf you can, no problems there.  You <b>cannot</b> play these games under Linux.  I will use &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r21603869-Vista-IE-7-Freeze-Soild-cant-close-or-get-desktop">Vista IE 7 Freeze Soild, can't close or get desktop</A> as a reference.<br><br>* IE7; Random Freeze<br>* Return to Malware, Deluxe Edition<br>* AV rotating-cups; 0 day adventure<br>* DRM, it's neat!<br>* Monta<b>zune's</b> revenge, incompetent date handling.<br>* Lay-off 2009; 17K vaporization<br>* Vista; it's a complete re-write (excluding 2nd Tuesday's)<br>* IE7; IE6 with innovative tabbed browsing.<br>* OEM Strong-Arm, Double-Fist III<br><br>Those games look pretty neat.<br>* ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/103090"><b>tempnexus</b></A> : You might get the, PS, SNES and Atari emulators on other OS.<br><br>ID software (Wolfenstein) will play in Linux but besides that...good luck....but wait you can get a very nice Photoshop CS on MAC and spend productive hours editing pictures for Photoshop Phriday at Somethingawful.com]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1578887"><b>KodiacZiller</b></A> : If security is your primary concern, then I recommend one of the following "easy to use" Linux distros:<br><br>Ubuntu<br>PCLOS<br>Mandriva<br>Linux Mint<br><br>If you don't mind running a 32 bit system, then PCLOS is definitely the way to go for a beginner.  Like with most Linux distros, installing software is as easy as opening up the package manager and browsing for what you want.<br><br>As for security, be sure to tell your mom to use a user account (you will be prompted to set one up when you install, and most distros won't allow you to log-in to the desktop as root anyway).  If she has a router, you won't need to enable IPtables (firewall) since outgoing connections won't be an issue (since viruses and trojans are non-existent and cannot install themselves even if they were).  No AV or other such junk will be needed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : Any general Linux distro should be able to do all that's needed, including Ubuntu. I've not used Ubuntu extensively either.<br><br>BTW - you can keep Windows installed along with Linux. You are not required to delete it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/260736"><b>Vampirefo</b></A> : Ubuntu isn't Linux it is a Linux distro, I see that all the time people comparing windows to Ubuntu cause people for whatever reason thinks Ubuntu is linux.<br><br>It would be as dumb as me saying Linux verses w98, windows users would jump up and say windows 98 is just a version of windows it not windows.<br><br>There are over 300 distro or versions of Linux, Linux is as easy to use as any os, it will do all that you require, now does Ubuntu do that no clue, never used it.<br><small>--<br>Best RegardsVampirefo</small>]]></description>
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<title>Ubuntu v&#x27;s Windows</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1159554"><b>norwegian</b></A> : As the title says.<br><br>I'm looking at setting up a laptop for my mum. <br><br> - It will be used for mainly email, IM, photos<br> - She has no experience<br> - I have very limited experience with any linux(a live CD or 2 is all).<br> - Xp Home is currently installed, but will be format/installing fresh, if I use windows.<br> - To do anything for her,(other side of the country), I will need to remote desktop, or use LogMeIn to manage it. <br>  <br>I'm basically looking at security for her.<br>Ease of use for basic functions and as she is inexperienced, wondering if my limited playing will affect issues like Instant Messaging/camera for the grandkids to communicate. I see items like Pidgin as a compatible IM to help cross over the different colours of IM, but there is the issue of what can be installed on Linux.<br><br>Note: Linux is better fan's need not reply. I'm not asking for which is better, I've drawn my conclusions already there. I realise this will start a war...LOL...I just want to know the pro's/con's before approaching the end result.<br><br>This is a practicality issue against security benefits for her needs/experience v's location for maintainance.<br> <br><small>--<br>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:09:28 EDT</pubDate>
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