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aaronwt
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Re: Why would I pay $45?

said by ITALIAN926 See Profile :

Majic jack sucks, are you serious? The most unreliable phone service on the entire planet.
Have you used it? I've used it with a Vista 64bit PC, Vista 32 bit PC, and two Window XP machines. It has been flawless. The sound quality has equaled what I had when I had my land line with FIOS. You can't get better than that. It has worked exactly as advertised. I have had zero problems. IF they had the option to port the home phone number, back when I ported it to my cell phone, I would have ported it to MagicJack instead.
I have been extremely pleased with it. It has worked EXACTLY like they advertised for me.

en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Re: Why would I pay $45?

I've used Skype, and it works very well.
For $36/year, I use it on my cell phone (WiFi) for international calls, and work conference calls, and webcam conferences.

Its been very robust - even usable over VPN, through a proxy.
fiberguy
My views are my own.
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Great. It works for you. Glad your computer has become an ATA device for what should be treated as a lifeline service.

Now, back to reality where the air exists and water is required to sustain life.

MAGIC JACK IS NOT "PHONE SERVICE"... it's a toy, plain and simple. If I were to rank the phone services out there are sustainability:

POTS
Cable Switched Service
Cable managed VoIP Service / Fiber VoIP (FiOS, Surewest)
Cell Phones
3rd Party Vonage, etc
Two-Cans & String
Skype
MagicJack

MJ is a ponzi scheme waiting for the breaking news that will be the next shocking news cycle story, which isn't a shocker to some of us already. If anyone knows anything about MJ and its model, and how it plays with the rest of the PSTN, MJ can't survive. It will eventually hit it's plateau and the service will go dead.

This service is a joke. (Yes, I have it and I've used it. The service sits in the drawer now) Not only does this "phone service" require internet connections (which is fine) it also relies on the stability of your PC, as you/we know, that has to remain powered up AND not crashed or sleeping.

Vonage finds that many people are not too keen on the notion of having to self serve their home phone needs. They're not happy with having to do their own installs (which is why they now have installer teams same as satellite did years ago) they find that people are not keen on having to reboot/power cycle their phone box, and people don't want to be passed around between providers when there's an issue with the service. (All proven facts)

Now comes MJ being pushed as a "real player in the phone business".. HAH! MagicJack is really nothing more, in my opinion, than a service like Skype that can plug into your phone jack. However, the boob that "invented it" is playing people with the claims. $20 a year isn't sustainable - the service WILL go dark and probably not too far into the future as there are already signs of it.

Some of these "vision changers" think that people are going to simply give up stability for price. It took many years for the cell phone industry to even gain the status that it could be used as the only phone, and even then, people still complain about dropped calls, call clarity, and reliability.

MJ is hardly a phone service at all. Just becuase it can 'make a phone call' doesn't make it a phone service.. at best, as it stands, MJ is largely a techies toy.

Continue to use it, rave about it, praise it's ability to fit your needs, but DON'T call it phone service. I would NEVER port my primary, established, or important phone number to any company that doesn't stand behind its product or is held to standards by any authority that will ensure they are a sustainable provider.

To be honest, if government EVER did one thing right, they'd bar ANYONE from providing "phone service" or a service called "dial tone" to the end user in this country unless they followed rules and had oversight by the FCC. Phone service in the US is just FAR too important to allow children to hawk a service to the consumer made to believe that what they are getting is "phone service" which is largely compared to that of the likes of a reliable POTS service.

my 2-cents

aaronwt
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Woodbridge, VA
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Re: Why would I pay $45?

MAGIC JACK was a bonus for me. I dropped my land line a few months ago to use my cell phone as my primary service. But the call quality from my cell phone has never been close to land line quality. I was using a Dock N talk with the Bluetooth connection on my cell phone so I could use my 1.9GHz(DECT 6.0) cordless phones while at home. That worked fine, but again, since it's going over the cell, the quality is the same as the cell.
So then I tried the Magic Jack after a coworker turned me on to it.
So I dumped my Dock N Talk and got an Xlink BTTN unit. It works like the Dock N Talk, linking with the cell phone over it's BT connection, but it also allows up to three cell phones, and a land line. So for the land line port I am using the Magic Jack. So for all outgoing or incoming calls I can use either line. Although I will mainly be using the cell line for incoming and the Magic Jack for outgoing calls.
For 911 service I will be using my cell phone, although I've never had to use 911. I've had to call the police and fire dept. before, but not in a life threatening situation, so 911 wouldn't apply to those situations. You use the regular number instead of tying up 911 service like most of the calls they receive for 911 that aren't really emergencies.

said by fiberguy See Profile :

Great. It works for you. Glad your computer has become an ATA device for what should be treated as a lifeline service.

Now, back to reality where the air exists and water is required to sustain life.

MAGIC JACK IS NOT "PHONE SERVICE"... it's a toy, plain and simple. If I were to rank the phone services out there are sustainability:

POTS
Cable Switched Service
Cable managed VoIP Service / Fiber VoIP (FiOS, Surewest)
Cell Phones
3rd Party Vonage, etc
Two-Cans & String
Skype
MagicJack

MJ is a ponzi scheme waiting for the breaking news that will be the next shocking news cycle story, which isn't a shocker to some of us already. If anyone knows anything about MJ and its model, and how it plays with the rest of the PSTN, MJ can't survive. It will eventually hit it's plateau and the service will go dead.

This service is a joke. (Yes, I have it and I've used it. The service sits in the drawer now) Not only does this "phone service" require internet connections (which is fine) it also relies on the stability of your PC, as you/we know, that has to remain powered up AND not crashed or sleeping.

Vonage finds that many people are not too keen on the notion of having to self serve their home phone needs. They're not happy with having to do their own installs (which is why they now have installer teams same as satellite did years ago) they find that people are not keen on having to reboot/power cycle their phone box, and people don't want to be passed around between providers when there's an issue with the service. (All proven facts)

Now comes MJ being pushed as a "real player in the phone business".. HAH! MagicJack is really nothing more, in my opinion, than a service like Skype that can plug into your phone jack. However, the boob that "invented it" is playing people with the claims. $20 a year isn't sustainable - the service WILL go dark and probably not too far into the future as there are already signs of it.

Some of these "vision changers" think that people are going to simply give up stability for price. It took many years for the cell phone industry to even gain the status that it could be used as the only phone, and even then, people still complain about dropped calls, call clarity, and reliability.

MJ is hardly a phone service at all. Just becuase it can 'make a phone call' doesn't make it a phone service.. at best, as it stands, MJ is largely a techies toy.

Continue to use it, rave about it, praise it's ability to fit your needs, but DON'T call it phone service. I would NEVER port my primary, established, or important phone number to any company that doesn't stand behind its product or is held to standards by any authority that will ensure they are a sustainable provider.

To be honest, if government EVER did one thing right, they'd bar ANYONE from providing "phone service" or a service called "dial tone" to the end user in this country unless they followed rules and had oversight by the FCC. Phone service in the US is just FAR too important to allow children to hawk a service to the consumer made to believe that what they are getting is "phone service" which is largely compared to that of the likes of a reliable POTS service.

my 2-cents
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
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Re: Why would I pay $45?

said by aaronwt See Profile :

I dropped my land line a few months ago to use my cell phone as my primary service.
...
For 911 service I will be using my cell phone, although I've never had to use 911. I've had to call the police and fire dept. before, but not in a life threatening situation, so 911 wouldn't apply to those situations. You use the regular number instead of tying up 911 service like most of the calls they receive for 911 that aren't really emergencies.

Except that your cell phone 911 will not work, and "the regular number" WILL NOT WORK when you have that life-threatening situation.

I have the unfortunate opportunity to test these facilities more often than I'd like. Cell-phone 911 is not viable (yet). Dialing the PSAP directly is hit-n-miss, in other words, you can literally "die trying".

Are you willing risk your life for $17 a month?
(That's what we pay for Verizon POTS).

aaronwt
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Re: Why would I pay $45?

said by elray See Profile :

said by aaronwt See Profile :

I dropped my land line a few months ago to use my cell phone as my primary service.
...
For 911 service I will be using my cell phone, although I've never had to use 911. I've had to call the police and fire dept. before, but not in a life threatening situation, so 911 wouldn't apply to those situations. You use the regular number instead of tying up 911 service like most of the calls they receive for 911 that aren't really emergencies.

Except that your cell phone 911 will not work, and "the regular number" WILL NOT WORK when you have that life-threatening situation.

I have the unfortunate opportunity to test these facilities more often than I'd like. Cell-phone 911 is not viable (yet). Dialing the PSAP directly is hit-n-miss, in other words, you can literally "die trying".

Are you willing risk your life for $17 a month?
(That's what we pay for Verizon POTS).
Then you need to tell that to the emergency providers around here who have responded to 911 calls over cell phones sucessfully.

I don't know about Magic Jack for 911. Although It does have the proper info with my address for 911.
I'll have to ask some friends if they've responded to any emergencies from people who dialed 911 using Magic JAck. I know they have from Cell phone users without any issues.

wwdubbia

join:2002-06-03
Clinton, NY
show me your Verizon bill for $17 and I'll believe you. You're flat rate plan is probably $17, but then you need to add your line cost on top of that, plus taxes/fees.

It's probably more like $50 after taxes.

mod_wastrel

join:2008-03-28
·magicjack.com

Re: Why would I pay $45?

A no-frills POTS line from Verizon costs at least a few dollars less than $17 (total)--varies some with locality. If I remember correctly (always questionable), POTS is 911 and everything else is E911 (VoIP and cell), though a recently enacted law (?) will require the telcos to open up 911 centers directly to non-telcos. My point being that if someone feels safe only with 911, then it could be worth it for the "peace of mind" to pay the little extra for true 911 you used to only get with POTS (and I don't know the schedule required by that law as far as providing access to the 911 centers--could be awhile knowing the telcos). But all of this has little to do with using a phone to make calls for the sake of conversation.
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
·SONIC.NET
·RoadRunner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL

said by wwdubbia See Profile :

show me your Verizon bill for $17 and I'll believe you. You're flat rate plan is probably $17, but then you need to add your line cost on top of that, plus taxes/fees.

It's probably more like $50 after taxes.
$17 gets us a measured rate line with a $3 usage credit, taxes included.
hescominsoon

join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL

said by elray See Profile :

said by aaronwt See Profile :

I dropped my land line a few months ago to use my cell phone as my primary service.
...
For 911 service I will be using my cell phone, although I've never had to use 911. I've had to call the police and fire dept. before, but not in a life threatening situation, so 911 wouldn't apply to those situations. You use the regular number instead of tying up 911 service like most of the calls they receive for 911 that aren't really emergencies.

Except that your cell phone 911 will not work, and "the regular number" WILL NOT WORK when you have that life-threatening situation.

I have the unfortunate opportunity to test these facilities more often than I'd like. Cell-phone 911 is not viable (yet). Dialing the PSAP directly is hit-n-miss, in other words, you can literally "die trying".

Are you willing risk your life for $17 a month?
(That's what we pay for Verizon POTS).
typical fear mongering. I have nothing but cell phones and 911 has always worked just fine. I have had a couple of major accidents befall my family in the wintertime and the cell phone has always worked. I can tell you right now if there is a big enough calamity to take out all of the cell towers in my area the landlines are going to be gone as well(think katrina..landlines did you no good there..it was the HAM operators that saved the comm day there). I'm in training to join the ranks of Ham radio operators. That's a service that works irregardless of the infrastructure destruction.
fiberguy
My views are my own.
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Re: Why would I pay $45?

Fear mongering huh?

Cell phones - unreliable as they are radio waves and are subject to far more issues than a closed wired service. However, your luck with 911 has been great!

I can show you land line service that is 100% underground from the home to the CO to the rest of the network before it even thinks of going over head.. maybe an earthquake in that area would have been a bad thing at the time.

When you go into learning to be that HAM soldier, why don't you ask them, while you're at it, if that giant HAM radio antenna is stronger than any cell phone tower or land line pole that you use to broadcast with, okay?

The fact is that while you're trying to pass over something that has been PROVEN to be a lifeline service as trivial and "fear mongering" you failed to look at your own savior's weaknesses.

I'm sorry to that but it still is a gamble that your cell phone, even, though while still my best 2nd choice, is going to be your life line over a proven reliable land line service in an emergency. It's not fear mongering to say that it's a gamble to take reliability out of the picture in the chance of emergency. And further, it only takes the 1 time that you can't make that call over your "cell phone" and before you get your HAM radio up and running (ugh) before you're personally affected and crying foul IF your cell phone failed you in an emergency.

The people on the Titanic probably never once thought about the life boat situation on the ship until it was sinking and they needed them either. Look what happened after that... we've already had issues with cell phones in emergencies and looks what's changed because of it? (and its still not 'perfect'..) Look at the issues with provider based VoIP services and the mandatory E911 services.. you think that it's all fear mongering still..?

... I support your right to believe what you want, but you can keep the fear mongering call out of this one as it will only make you look a fool. Oh, and again, if you do have an issue, and you do have that one time you can't get through right away and something bad happens, PLEASE don't come here rallying the troops to bitch with you becuase I'll be happy to break and violate EVER T.O.S. term here to rub in your loss.

There is a real problem, in SOME cases, in this country with the lack of resolve in people.. 9/11, no matter what anyone believes happened that day, 3,000 people still died and two 100 story towers fell. The country AT LARGE kept it on their minds for a few months, and not quite long enough, before getting on with life. Sorry, but this sort of mentality is just move of the same. Emergencies and accidents are never planned. Not to mention, how you respond to them is very important even though its very unlikely that many will. But, it's that ONE point of failure that can and will turn your life upside down and you'll never be the same. Many "fear mongering" claimants used to believe what you did, until the one point of failure and then many of them became activists for their cause. Just keep that in mind when you balk at the wired phone line that has been proven effective for many many years in this country and will continue to be for many more.

Have a good one.

mod_wastrel

join:2008-03-28

Re: Why would I pay $45?

Fore-warned is fore-armed. Plan for failure. (However, to each his/her own.)
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
·SONIC.NET
·RoadRunner Cable
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said by hescominsoon See Profile :

said by elray See Profile :

Except that your cell phone 911 will not work, and "the regular number" WILL NOT WORK when you have that life-threatening situation.

I have the unfortunate opportunity to test these facilities more often than I'd like. Cell-phone 911 is not viable (yet). Dialing the PSAP directly is hit-n-miss, in other words, you can literally "die trying".

Are you willing risk your life for $17 a month?
(That's what we pay for Verizon POTS).
typical fear mongering. I have nothing but cell phones and 911 has always worked just fine. I have had a couple of major accidents befall my family in the wintertime and the cell phone has always worked. I can tell you right now if there is a big enough calamity to take out all of the cell towers in my area the landlines are going to be gone as well(think katrina..landlines did you no good there..it was the HAM operators that saved the comm day there).
No, real world experience. In Los Angeles, our police dispatch does not respond to cell phones well (911 doesn't route consistently, sometimes doesn't go through at all); the PSAP doesn't answer when you dial direct, and the local precinct won't dispatch. Only 911 from a landline results in a response when you need it.

I'm not concerned about Katrina-like situations. If one isn't personally prepared for such, no 911 system is going to help you, nor are a group of ham operators.

I'm worried about preventable, recoverable, everyday life-threatening situations that actually happen - heart attack, stroke, shootings, stabbings, fires, burglaries, and assaults. It is not that other technologies can't be made 99% reliable, but they just aren't, so far.

N3OGH
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As a person who lives alone, and as a first responder, I would never recommend anyone relying solely on a cell phone or VoIP phone for summonsing emergency responders.

I had the unfortunate experience of dealing with Vonage's 911 a few years back. It was bad.

For $17/mo it IS worth it to have a POTS line.

And I know a lot of people say folks rely on 911 too much. That's just bullshit. You tell me that when you've nicked a femoral artery while using power tools, and you're bleeding like a damn stuck pig.

I'm usually the first person on scene for the medical calls in my town when I'm working (we beat the medics routinely) and I can't tell you the number of people that have saved their own lives due to a 911 call.

Best $17/mo I spend IMHO...
--
Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power…

en102
Canadian, eh?

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Valencia, CA
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While I don't count on Skype as primary phone line (I have cable VoIP), I do use it as a second line to dial out and do video conferencing. For $36/year, its a cheap dialout + video conferencing. I wouldn't recommend it for use as a primary line (eg. I'd recommend it as a compliment to a cell phone - cheaper than adding tons of minutes, and it will do Canada calling for free).
lucky178

join:2000-11-06
Coshocton, OH

unfortunately i have to agree magic jack is horrid i have not been able to use it for 2 months now. when it worked service was very iffy, it would disconnect for no reason or not receive inbound calls. when I plug magic jack in, my computers will no longer recognize it. i tried magic jack tech support and they had me download several "fixes" and it still cannot be recognized by my computers. i have vista and xp.
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