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We'll see though. nice to see he's for helping America get out of being a 3rd world broadband nation. | |
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We would have HSI in the rural areas if more companies would deply. Why not go out and build a WISP in a rural area and by pass the LTE tech that won't be here for another two or three years anyway. | |
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| Re: Meet the new boss... said by hottboiinnc :what a reason not to like him. if he doesnt think that we're ready to go DTV then we're not ready. Listen dude we are 35 days away from the transition. Too late to delay. Besides only procrstinators aren't ready. stations have spend BILLIONS getting ready for this transition companies spent 20 BILLION in the FCC auction last year and have a RIGHT to used that spectrum they PAID for on Feb 17th. Anyone suggesting we aren't ready is either ignorant or has an agenda. If some old fart refuses to get a converter box or a new Tv because they are against this, fuck em. | |
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| Re: Meet the new boss... And companies long before the wireless companies were given the right to use the Airwavz for public TV.
Regardless if the country is not ready we're not ready. Maybe you should pony up the money and buy the boxes that people need.
Or maybe AT&T should expand their "future proof" tv service their marketing and we wouldn't have this problem since they're claiming their the ONLY TV service that won't be affected by the change. | |
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| Re: Meet the new boss... said by hottboiinnc :And companies long before the wireless companies were given the right to use the Airwavz for public TV. Regardless if the country is not ready we're not ready. Maybe you should pony up the money and buy the boxes that people need. Or maybe AT&T should expand their "future proof" tv service their marketing and we wouldn't have this problem since they're claiming their the ONLY TV service that won't be affected by the change. Sorry, but there were enough people in North Carolina that ignored all warnings because they were "too busy" to do anything about it.
Some people don't want the change. Should we hold it up until these people say it is o.k.?
Sometimes the ONLY way to force the issue is to make them face it head on. | |
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| said by moonpuppy :Sorry, but there were enough people in North Carolina that ignored all warnings because they were "too busy" to do anything about it. Some people don't want the change. Should we hold it up until these people say it is o.k.? Sometimes the ONLY way to force the issue is to make them face it head on. Yeah... I remember once the USA was going to adopt the Metric system..... -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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| said by KrK :said by moonpuppy :Some people don't want the change. Should we hold it up until these people say it is o.k.? Sometimes the ONLY way to force the issue is to make them face it head on. Yeah... I remember once the USA was going to adopt the Metric system..... And eliminate paper dollars. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Hillsboro, Oregon -- KJ7RL ...just some more roadkill on the Information Superhighway... | |
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| Re: Meet the new boss... said by TKJunkMail :said by hottboiinnc :you may have soda. But i have pop. LoL I came across that distinction as a kid. Growing up in Philadelphia, it was always soda. But when I visited my cousins in upstate NY, it was pop. Down here in the South, it's just Coke or Pepsi, depending on which you prefer. Most people call everything a "Coke", even if it's a Dr. Pepper or Mtn. Dew. | |
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| said by BF69 :If he's the guy telling Obama to get the DTV transiton delyed I already don't like him. He's also the guy who spearheaded and developed the most successful use of technology by a Presidential candidate ... EVER. Add that together with the fact he is pro net-neutrality and I am (initially) happy with his selection.
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| Re: Meet the new boss... said by Matt :And if DTV needs to be delayed, delay it rather than half-assing it. Once again 35 days away. Too late. Also we are NOT half assing it. Lots of Chicken Littles out there. In 5 weeks people will notice nothing different. There will not be rioting in the streets because TV went away. | |
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| Re: Meet the new boss... said by BF69 :said by Matt :And if DTV needs to be delayed, delay it rather than half-assing it. Once again 35 days away. Too late. Also we are NOT half assing it. Lots of Chicken Littles out there. In 5 weeks people will notice nothing different. There will not be rioting in the streets because TV went away. I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case.
A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this .. in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. Wilmington had to send the FIRE DEPARTMENT out to help people ... can you imagine what it's going to be like in larger cities who don't have those kinds of resources? Screw 'em though right? They deserve it?
So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. | |
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| Re: Meet the new boss... said by Matt :said by BF69 :said by Matt :And if DTV needs to be delayed, delay it rather than half-assing it. Once again 35 days away. Too late. Also we are NOT half assing it. Lots of Chicken Littles out there. In 5 weeks people will notice nothing different. There will not be rioting in the streets because TV went away. I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case. A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this .. in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. Wilmington had to send the FIRE DEPARTMENT out to help people ... can you imagine what it's going to be like in larger cities who don't have those kinds of resources? Screw 'em though right? They deserve it? So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. If your basis of 'we're not ready' is defined by the fact that some people don't know how to handle this analog shut-off, then we should just shuttle the whole thing right now and forget about EVER going full digital. If you're waiting for every person to be technically literate enough for this transition to go by without someone panicking (who the hell calls the fire department when they're TV goes out?), then just forget the whole thing, because, by that definition, we'll NEVER be ready.
I look to the analog shut-off that Verizon did. They notified us by every means imaginable - fliers in the mail, automated phone calls, e-mails, messages on their site in about a million different places (including a big link off their home page about it), a scroll on one of their cable channels, a message sent to our set top boxes, and even a VOD item that was all about that transition. And guess what? There were STILL people caught off guard! Forget about living under a rock, you had to be living under a mountain to miss this, and yet some people still did. I don't know what else Verizon could have done.
Actually, even if you somehow missed every one of those notifications, they did one final notification (and this IS something I think the FCC should have done as well). When they cut off the TV analog feeds, they didn't shut down analog entirely. For about 10 - 14 days per market, they replaced the analog feed with a red screen of death - a message (on a blood red background) saying in essence 'if you're seeing this message YOU NEED TO CALL US NOW TO GET A FREE DIGITAL ADAPTER!'
I really think the FCC should have transitioned that way too. Cut off the analog TV feeds for about a month. During that month show a 2-minute infomercial on those analog feeds, telling the people who missed the boat what they need to do to get their TV programming back.
Point is, when someone doesn't understand something, they procrastinate on doing anything about it. That's what you're hitting now with this transition - people who don't understand it and are just sitting on their hands (hell, my wife's 93 year-old grandfather knows that this is coming). No amount of delay will correct THAT issue. | |
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| Re: Meet the new boss... said by JPL :Actually, even if you somehow missed every one of those notifications, they did one final notification (and this IS something I think the FCC should have done as well). When they cut off the TV analog feeds, they didn't shut down analog entirely. For about 10 - 14 days per market, they replaced the analog feed with a red screen of death - a message (on a blood red background) saying in essence 'if you're seeing this message YOU NEED TO CALL US NOW TO GET A FREE DIGITAL ADAPTER!' I really think the FCC should have transitioned that way too. Cut off the analog TV feeds for about a month. During that month show a 2-minute infomercial on those analog feeds, telling the people who missed the boat what they need to do to get their TV programming back. That is EXACTLY what stations will be doing. After the shutoff, the analog signal will be maintained with a screen explaining ONCE AGAIN that a cutover has occurred and where to call to get help.
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| Re: Meet the new boss... said by TKJunkMail :said by JPL :Actually, even if you somehow missed every one of those notifications, they did one final notification (and this IS something I think the FCC should have done as well). When they cut off the TV analog feeds, they didn't shut down analog entirely. For about 10 - 14 days per market, they replaced the analog feed with a red screen of death - a message (on a blood red background) saying in essence 'if you're seeing this message YOU NEED TO CALL US NOW TO GET A FREE DIGITAL ADAPTER!' I really think the FCC should have transitioned that way too. Cut off the analog TV feeds for about a month. During that month show a 2-minute infomercial on those analog feeds, telling the people who missed the boat what they need to do to get their TV programming back. That is EXACTLY what stations will be doing. After the shutoff, the analog signal will be maintained with a screen explaining ONCE AGAIN that a cutover has occurred and where to call to get help. It is called the "Analog Nightlight" program and was passed by Congress late last year. » hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···20A1.pdf Well there you have it. A completely acceptable solution to just saying, "F'em all. Let them wake up to snow and figure it out themselves."
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| said by Matt :Well there you have it. A completely acceptable solution to just saying, "F'em all. Let them wake up to snow and figure it out themselves." Thanks Tk, I wonder why all the self-proclaimed experts in this thread didn't know about this? This the first I've heard of the Analog Nightlight Program and suspect many haven't heard of it because the law was passed at the last minute during the holiday season. Now if Congress will just authorize the NTIA to use the money for the coupons that aren't expected to be redeemed before they expire there really isn't any reason for further delay. | |
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| said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :said by JPL :Actually, even if you somehow missed every one of those notifications, they did one final notification (and this IS something I think the FCC should have done as well). When they cut off the TV analog feeds, they didn't shut down analog entirely. For about 10 - 14 days per market, they replaced the analog feed with a red screen of death - a message (on a blood red background) saying in essence 'if you're seeing this message YOU NEED TO CALL US NOW TO GET A FREE DIGITAL ADAPTER!' I really think the FCC should have transitioned that way too. Cut off the analog TV feeds for about a month. During that month show a 2-minute infomercial on those analog feeds, telling the people who missed the boat what they need to do to get their TV programming back. That is EXACTLY what stations will be doing. After the shutoff, the analog signal will be maintained with a screen explaining ONCE AGAIN that a cutover has occurred and where to call to get help. It is called the "Analog Nightlight" program and was passed by Congress late last year. » hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···20A1.pdf Well there you have it. A completely acceptable solution to just saying, "F'em all. Let them wake up to snow and figure it out themselves." Thanks Tk, I wonder why all the self-proclaimed experts in this thread didn't know about this? I knew about this. appearantly you didn't yet claimed to have done extensive "research". hmmm. | |
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| Re: Meet the new boss... said by BF69 :I knew about this. appearantly you didn't yet claimed to have done extensive "research". hmmm. I really knew it too, I was just checking to see if you did.
See how I did that? I can claim whatever I want after the fact to make it seem like I really knew something I had no idea about too. | |
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| Was Wilmington fire dispatch that stupid that the fire department was dispatched because people lost TV? I am not sure who is more moronic, the dispatchers or those who called for help.
For at least the past 6 months my area has been bombarded with PSA's, crawls on the screen, etc. How much more does one have to do? Yes, I have helped a person get ready for the change over by getting a converter for them, etc.
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A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this . A lot of "knowledgeable" people where in charge of our financial sytems. How'd that one turn out for the "all knowing"?
in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. That's why it was called a TEST. You're the kind of person that gets a beta version of something then bitches about the glitches. And most of those 1000 people will
A) not have an issue come Feb 17th. B) are fucking retarded and need to educate themselves.
So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. And that's their own fault.
I'm so tired of people who refuse to educate themselves on stuff then complain. I have a friend who is 6 years younger than me and hell I'm 40 and doesn't hardly know shit about shit technology wise. I'm his computer "expert" and just about everything else electronic. He didn't even know how to properly use his HDTV. His excuse is "I don't know anything about that stuff." I tell him he'll probably live another 40-50 years and he better start catching up before he gets too far behind. That's just the way it is now. The days of just being blissfully ignorant are over. | |
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| Re: Meet the new boss... Hold on for a sec. I need a longer lens to still see the relevance of your argument from here. Be right back...
As for the DTV transition, there are always people who wait until two minutes past the last second. It happens with hurricanes, it happens with blizzards and it happens with things like this. Give it a rest. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. | |
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| Re: Meet the new boss... said by RadioDoc :As for the DTV transition, there are always people who wait until two minutes past the last second. It happens with hurricanes, it happens with blizzards and it happens with things like this. Give it a rest. I completely agree, but the percentage of people who will be affected is still too high. I don't know what the answer is, but commercials aren't working so simply spewing more of them during prime-time isn't going to work. And I've yet to see any other plan put forth or even suggested for that matter. | |
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| Re: Meet the new boss... said by Matt :said by RadioDoc :As for the DTV transition, there are always people who wait until two minutes past the last second. It happens with hurricanes, it happens with blizzards and it happens with things like this. Give it a rest. I completely agree, but the percentage of people who will be affected is still too high. I don't know what the answer is, but commercials aren't working so simply spewing more of them during prime-time isn't going to work. And I've yet to see any other plan put forth or even suggested for that matter. So you agree that many people wait until the last minute, but yet at the same time you want to extend the transition for these same people? Give these people 6 months and in 6 months they'll want and expect another 6 month extention. That's just how some people are.
People wait until the last second to file their taxes. They do eventually file them because they know there are consequences for filing after April 15th. If you push back the date now those people that would have gotten their acts together in the next 5 weeks will just figure "hey I've got another 6 months I'll upgrade later" | |
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| said by Matt :I completely agree, but the percentage of people who will be affected is still too high. I don't know what the answer is, but commercials aren't working so simply spewing more of them during prime-time isn't going to work. And I've yet to see any other plan put forth or even suggested for that matter. And year after year, people ask for extensions because they can't file their taxes on April 15th. Some of these are the same people who do it every single years because they can't be bothered with it and wait until the last minute to do them. | |
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| said by BF69 :said by Matt :I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case. And if you are trying to suggest that I don't you have no clue as to who you are talking to. A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this . A lot of "knowledgeable" people where in charge of our financial sytems. How'd that one turn out for the "all knowing"? in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. That's why it was called a TEST. You're the kind of person that gets a beta version of something then bitches about the glitches. And most of those 1000 people will A) not have an issue come Feb 17th. B) are fucking retarded and need to educate themselves. So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. And that's their own fault. I'm so tired of people who refuse to educate themselves on stuff then complain. I have a friend who is 6 years younger than me and hell I'm 40 and doesn't hardly know shit about shit technology wise. I'm his computer "expert" and just about everything else electronic. He didn't even know how to properly use his HDTV. His excuse is "I don't know anything about that stuff." I tell him he'll probably live another 40-50 years and he better start catching up before he gets too far behind. That's just the way it is now. The days of just being blissfully ignorant are over. When in doubt deflect the argument, curse, and insult. You're hopeless.  | |
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| said by Matt :I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case. A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this .. in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. Wilmington had to send the FIRE DEPARTMENT out to help people ... can you imagine what it's going to be like in larger cities who don't have those kinds of resources? Screw 'em though right? They deserve it? So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. A lot of people are never going to be ready for DTV, just like they were never ready for horseless carriages (automobiles), universal suffrage, women's rights etc.
If we keep waiting on people who aren't ready, we'll be waiting forever.
I also know for a fact that some people don't want the DTV transition to happen in their lifetimes. Some of those people think that analog TV is just fine for everyone, and some are even jealous of those with new HDTVs. | |
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However, I and nobody I know, noticed a single glitch.
I didn't think I was financially ready to buy a house or new car. I didnt think I could or was ready to have 1 kid, especially 2. And yet everytime I simply had to take a dive and do it. And everytime it has worked itself out.
Delaying this will do nothing more than simply delay it. When the next due date comes you will have the same whining and it will probably be by the same people it is now. | |
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