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said by BF69  :said by Matt :And if DTV needs to be delayed, delay it rather than half-assing it. Once again 35 days away. Too late. Also we are NOT half assing it. Lots of Chicken Littles out there. In 5 weeks people will notice nothing different. There will not be rioting in the streets because TV went away. I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case.
A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this .. in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. Wilmington had to send the FIRE DEPARTMENT out to help people ... can you imagine what it's going to be like in larger cities who don't have those kinds of resources? Screw 'em though right? They deserve it?
So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. |
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| said by Matt :said by BF69 :said by Matt :And if DTV needs to be delayed, delay it rather than half-assing it. Once again 35 days away. Too late. Also we are NOT half assing it. Lots of Chicken Littles out there. In 5 weeks people will notice nothing different. There will not be rioting in the streets because TV went away. I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case. A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this .. in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. Wilmington had to send the FIRE DEPARTMENT out to help people ... can you imagine what it's going to be like in larger cities who don't have those kinds of resources? Screw 'em though right? They deserve it? So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. If your basis of 'we're not ready' is defined by the fact that some people don't know how to handle this analog shut-off, then we should just shuttle the whole thing right now and forget about EVER going full digital. If you're waiting for every person to be technically literate enough for this transition to go by without someone panicking (who the hell calls the fire department when they're TV goes out?), then just forget the whole thing, because, by that definition, we'll NEVER be ready.
I look to the analog shut-off that Verizon did. They notified us by every means imaginable - fliers in the mail, automated phone calls, e-mails, messages on their site in about a million different places (including a big link off their home page about it), a scroll on one of their cable channels, a message sent to our set top boxes, and even a VOD item that was all about that transition. And guess what? There were STILL people caught off guard! Forget about living under a rock, you had to be living under a mountain to miss this, and yet some people still did. I don't know what else Verizon could have done.
Actually, even if you somehow missed every one of those notifications, they did one final notification (and this IS something I think the FCC should have done as well). When they cut off the TV analog feeds, they didn't shut down analog entirely. For about 10 - 14 days per market, they replaced the analog feed with a red screen of death - a message (on a blood red background) saying in essence 'if you're seeing this message YOU NEED TO CALL US NOW TO GET A FREE DIGITAL ADAPTER!'
I really think the FCC should have transitioned that way too. Cut off the analog TV feeds for about a month. During that month show a 2-minute infomercial on those analog feeds, telling the people who missed the boat what they need to do to get their TV programming back.
Point is, when someone doesn't understand something, they procrastinate on doing anything about it. That's what you're hitting now with this transition - people who don't understand it and are just sitting on their hands (hell, my wife's 93 year-old grandfather knows that this is coming). No amount of delay will correct THAT issue. |
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Was Wilmington fire dispatch that stupid that the fire department was dispatched because people lost TV? I am not sure who is more moronic, the dispatchers or those who called for help.
For at least the past 6 months my area has been bombarded with PSA's, crawls on the screen, etc. How much more does one have to do? Yes, I have helped a person get ready for the change over by getting a converter for them, etc.
Who are the very knowledgable people who fee we are not ready, besides obama and his henchmen? |
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BF69
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said by Matt :I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case. And if you are trying to suggest that I don't you have no clue as to who you are talking to.
A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this . A lot of "knowledgeable" people where in charge of our financial sytems. How'd that one turn out for the "all knowing"?
in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. That's why it was called a TEST. You're the kind of person that gets a beta version of something then bitches about the glitches. And most of those 1000 people will
A) not have an issue come Feb 17th.
B) are fucking retarded and need to educate themselves.
So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. And that's their own fault.
I'm so tired of people who refuse to educate themselves on stuff then complain. I have a friend who is 6 years younger than me and hell I'm 40 and doesn't hardly know shit about shit technology wise. I'm his computer "expert" and just about everything else electronic. He didn't even know how to properly use his HDTV. His excuse is "I don't know anything about that stuff." I tell him he'll probably live another 40-50 years and he better start catching up before he gets too far behind. That's just the way it is now. The days of just being blissfully ignorant are over. |
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| Hold on for a sec. I need a longer lens to still see the relevance of your argument from here. Be right back...
As for the DTV transition, there are always people who wait until two minutes past the last second. It happens with hurricanes, it happens with blizzards and it happens with things like this. Give it a rest.
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said by Matt :I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case. A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this .. in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. Wilmington had to send the FIRE DEPARTMENT out to help people ... can you imagine what it's going to be like in larger cities who don't have those kinds of resources? Screw 'em though right? They deserve it? So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. A lot of people are never going to be ready for DTV, just like they were never ready for horseless carriages (automobiles), universal suffrage, women's rights etc.
If we keep waiting on people who aren't ready, we'll be waiting forever.
I also know for a fact that some people don't want the DTV transition to happen in their lifetimes. Some of those people think that analog TV is just fine for everyone, and some are even jealous of those with new HDTVs. |
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said by BF69 :said by Matt :I'm sorry, but a lot of people think we're not ready. And while I may in fact be a Chicken Little when it comes to this topic, I do know how to read and research a topic that interests me ... which I have done in this case. And if you are trying to suggest that I don't you have no clue as to who you are talking to. A lot of very knowledgable people strongly feel we're not ready for this . A lot of "knowledgeable" people where in charge of our financial sytems. How'd that one turn out for the "all knowing"? in the Wilmington test market (perhaps 75k people) over 1,000 people called the local stations or the FCC because things went awry. That's why it was called a TEST. You're the kind of person that gets a beta version of something then bitches about the glitches. And most of those 1000 people will A) not have an issue come Feb 17th. B) are fucking retarded and need to educate themselves. So while the stations might be ready and the technology is out there, there is a very large contingent of people who simply don't understand what all this means. And that's their own fault. I'm so tired of people who refuse to educate themselves on stuff then complain. I have a friend who is 6 years younger than me and hell I'm 40 and doesn't hardly know shit about shit technology wise. I'm his computer "expert" and just about everything else electronic. He didn't even know how to properly use his HDTV. His excuse is "I don't know anything about that stuff." I tell him he'll probably live another 40-50 years and he better start catching up before he gets too far behind. That's just the way it is now. The days of just being blissfully ignorant are over. When in doubt deflect the argument, curse, and insult. You're hopeless.  |
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said by RadioDoc :As for the DTV transition, there are always people who wait until two minutes past the last second. It happens with hurricanes, it happens with blizzards and it happens with things like this. Give it a rest. I completely agree, but the percentage of people who will be affected is still too high. I don't know what the answer is, but commercials aren't working so simply spewing more of them during prime-time isn't going to work. And I've yet to see any other plan put forth or even suggested for that matter. |
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said by Matt :When in doubt deflect the argument, curse, and insult. You're hopeless. When in doubt just bash the other point of view instead of making a point of your own. YOU are the hopeless one my friend. Come back in a few years when you join grown up world. |
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BF69
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said by Matt :said by RadioDoc :As for the DTV transition, there are always people who wait until two minutes past the last second. It happens with hurricanes, it happens with blizzards and it happens with things like this. Give it a rest. I completely agree, but the percentage of people who will be affected is still too high. I don't know what the answer is, but commercials aren't working so simply spewing more of them during prime-time isn't going to work. And I've yet to see any other plan put forth or even suggested for that matter. So you agree that many people wait until the last minute, but yet at the same time you want to extend the transition for these same people? Give these people 6 months and in 6 months they'll want and expect another 6 month extention. That's just how some people are.
People wait until the last second to file their taxes. They do eventually file them because they know there are consequences for filing after April 15th. If you push back the date now those people that would have gotten their acts together in the next 5 weeks will just figure "hey I've got another 6 months I'll upgrade later" |
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A lot of people thought the world was going to collapse when the W2k issue came.
However, I and nobody I know, noticed a single glitch.
I didn't think I was financially ready to buy a house or new car. I didnt think I could or was ready to have 1 kid, especially 2. And yet everytime I simply had to take a dive and do it. And everytime it has worked itself out.
Delaying this will do nothing more than simply delay it. When the next due date comes you will have the same whining and it will probably be by the same people it is now. |
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| said by Skippy25 :A lot of people thought the world was going to collapse when the Y2k issue came. However, I and nobody I know, noticed a single glitch. Think harder about that. (hint: It didn't just work itself out.)
That said, I'm not convinced a delay is needed.
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said by Matt :I completely agree, but the percentage of people who will be affected is still too high. I don't know what the answer is, but commercials aren't working so simply spewing more of them during prime-time isn't going to work. And I've yet to see any other plan put forth or even suggested for that matter. And year after year, people ask for extensions because they can't file their taxes on April 15th. Some of these are the same people who do it every single years because they can't be bothered with it and wait until the last minute to do them. |
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said by Skippy25 :A lot of people thought the world was going to collapse when the W2k issue came. I know Microsoft makes some horrible OSes, but I never knew one of their creations was going to cause the world to end! |
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said by JPL :Actually, even if you somehow missed every one of those notifications, they did one final notification (and this IS something I think the FCC should have done as well). When they cut off the TV analog feeds, they didn't shut down analog entirely. For about 10 - 14 days per market, they replaced the analog feed with a red screen of death - a message (on a blood red background) saying in essence 'if you're seeing this message YOU NEED TO CALL US NOW TO GET A FREE DIGITAL ADAPTER!'
I really think the FCC should have transitioned that way too. Cut off the analog TV feeds for about a month. During that month show a 2-minute infomercial on those analog feeds, telling the people who missed the boat what they need to do to get their TV programming back. That is EXACTLY what stations will be doing. After the shutoff, the analog signal will be maintained with a screen explaining ONCE AGAIN that a cutover has occurred and where to call to get help.
It is called the "Analog Nightlight" program and was passed by Congress late last year.
»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···20A1.pdf
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by JPL :Actually, even if you somehow missed every one of those notifications, they did one final notification (and this IS something I think the FCC should have done as well). When they cut off the TV analog feeds, they didn't shut down analog entirely. For about 10 - 14 days per market, they replaced the analog feed with a red screen of death - a message (on a blood red background) saying in essence 'if you're seeing this message YOU NEED TO CALL US NOW TO GET A FREE DIGITAL ADAPTER!'
I really think the FCC should have transitioned that way too. Cut off the analog TV feeds for about a month. During that month show a 2-minute infomercial on those analog feeds, telling the people who missed the boat what they need to do to get their TV programming back. That is EXACTLY what stations will be doing. After the shutoff, the analog signal will be maintained with a screen explaining ONCE AGAIN that a cutover has occurred and where to call to get help. It is called the "Analog Nightlight" program and was passed by Congress late last year. » hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···20A1.pdf Well there you have it. A completely acceptable solution to just saying, "F'em all. Let them wake up to snow and figure it out themselves."
Thanks Tk, I wonder why all the self-proclaimed experts in this thread didn't know about this? |
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|  said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :That is EXACTLY what stations will be doing. After the shutoff, the analog signal will be maintained with a screen explaining ONCE AGAIN that a cutover has occurred and where to call to get help. It is called the "Analog Nightlight" program and was passed by Congress late last year. » hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···20A1.pdf Well there you have it. A completely acceptable solution to just saying, "F'em all. Let them wake up to snow and figure it out themselves." Thanks Tk, I wonder why all the self-proclaimed experts in this thread didn't know about this? It has been in the news for a couple weeks:
»news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&···coring=n
And I posted this yesterday in the "Monday Morning Links" section of the BBR front page:
»FCC launches 'White Spaces' initiative ....
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said by Matt :Well there you have it. A completely acceptable solution to just saying, "F'em all. Let them wake up to snow and figure it out themselves." Thanks Tk, I wonder why all the self-proclaimed experts in this thread didn't know about this? This the first I've heard of the Analog Nightlight Program and suspect many haven't heard of it because the law was passed at the last minute during the holiday season. Now if Congress will just authorize the NTIA to use the money for the coupons that aren't expected to be redeemed before they expire there really isn't any reason for further delay. |
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BF69
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said by Matt :said by TKJunkMail :said by JPL :Actually, even if you somehow missed every one of those notifications, they did one final notification (and this IS something I think the FCC should have done as well). When they cut off the TV analog feeds, they didn't shut down analog entirely. For about 10 - 14 days per market, they replaced the analog feed with a red screen of death - a message (on a blood red background) saying in essence 'if you're seeing this message YOU NEED TO CALL US NOW TO GET A FREE DIGITAL ADAPTER!'
I really think the FCC should have transitioned that way too. Cut off the analog TV feeds for about a month. During that month show a 2-minute infomercial on those analog feeds, telling the people who missed the boat what they need to do to get their TV programming back. That is EXACTLY what stations will be doing. After the shutoff, the analog signal will be maintained with a screen explaining ONCE AGAIN that a cutover has occurred and where to call to get help. It is called the "Analog Nightlight" program and was passed by Congress late last year. » hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···20A1.pdf Well there you have it. A completely acceptable solution to just saying, "F'em all. Let them wake up to snow and figure it out themselves." Thanks Tk, I wonder why all the self-proclaimed experts in this thread didn't know about this? I knew about this. appearantly you didn't yet claimed to have done extensive "research". hmmm. |
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| said by BF69 :I knew about this. appearantly you didn't yet claimed to have done extensive "research". hmmm. I really knew it too, I was just checking to see if you did.
See how I did that? I can claim whatever I want after the fact to make it seem like I really knew something I had no idea about too. |
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