Re: ROI in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21735676 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:55:34 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:55:34 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877590 batterup :
said by Eat Me See Profile :

Not everyone has deep pockets like Veri$on.
I own Verizon and lost 23% in one year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877590 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:26:32 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21738910 sousademiami : Yes, you pegged it, my use of the words "if" and "could" were meant to convey that I was blessing 4G as my savior!
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OASAASLLS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21738910 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:51:38 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21738834 cdru :
said by sousademiami See Profile :

I think fiber may likely become obsolete in 15 years or less because of wireless services. If 4G delivers on it's promise, it could be the end of landline services of any kind, TV, Phone, Internet, etc.
Lets get 3G service to cover a larger footprint before blessing 4G as the savior to all communication services.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21738834 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:36:55 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735612 anon :
said by sousademiami See Profile :

I think fiber may likely become obsolete in 15 years or less because of wireless services. If 4G delivers on it's promise, it could be the end of landline services of any kind, TV, Phone, Internet, etc.
Oh, please! :o

In terms of real world speed, WiMAX is at BEST a competitor for current DSL! I'm working with the stuff right now, and it's not that impressive a technology. I'll take my home cable connection any day!

And the financials are worse. It has very high signal strength requirements to sustain a good connection, compared to conventional cellular, and, in its current incarnation, is situated at a very unfavorable frequency. Therefore, it suffers from very poor building penetration, not much coverage, which all translates to needing a LOT of expensive sites to make it work.

LTE will probably be deployed at a much more favorable 700 MHz, but still, it will require a very good signal to deliver good data rates, which will require a lot of sites.

Then there's the backhaul. You need to get that data stream from the wireless site to the core network somehow. Currently, this is a big concern in the industry.

Wireless may will do well in rural areas where it's just too expensive to run miles and miles of cable (in the same way voice wireless has brought phone service to many 3rd world countries), but it's NOT going to render obsolete any current technologies.

And satellite? A niche market at best. Capacity will always be too low, and latency too high, to make it a mass market data technology.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735612 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:40:42 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735676 funchords :
said by sousademiami See Profile :

...consumer applications, I'm not saying that business customers...
Many of us work where we live and live where we work. Our home is our office and our building is THIS NETWORK.

We need to get out of this 1950's "residential class" and "business class" paradigm.
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Wireless and Satellite could be the future....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735410 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:00:43 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735347 sousademiami : That would likely be acceptable for consumer applications, I'm not saying that business customers would make the switch. But for home use, having interference once in a while would be a small price to pay for greatly reduced cost.
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OASAASLLS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735347 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:50:11 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735130 funchords :
said by Eat Me See Profile :

said by sousademiami See Profile :

I think fiber may likely become obsolete in 15 years or less because of wireless services. If 4G delivers on it's promise, it could be the end of landline services of any kind, TV, Phone, Internet, etc.
That is what I was thinking, but wireless is still very susceptible to electromagnetic interference. Fiber is not.
I've seen 4G. It's a rival for last-generation DSL, and kicks-ass when mobile. It's great, but unfortunately it's not going to take us far into the future.
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...just some more roadkill on the Information Superhighway...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735130 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:14:50 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735071 Eat Me :
said by sousademiami See Profile :

I think fiber may likely become obsolete in 15 years or less because of wireless services. If 4G delivers on it's promise, it could be the end of landline services of any kind, TV, Phone, Internet, etc.
That is what I was thinking, but wireless is still very susceptible to electromagnetic interference. Fiber is not. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735071 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:05:32 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735058 sousademiami : I think fiber may likely become obsolete in 15 years or less because of wireless services. If 4G delivers on it's promise, it could be the end of landline services of any kind, TV, Phone, Internet, etc.
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OASAASLLS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21735058 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:03:46 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21734510 DaSneaky1D : "laser pulsing technology"

What in the world? Until you can show me a self motivated laser that can bend around a corner, I don't think the fiber medium is anywhere close to becoming obsolete.

Fiber is a physical carrier. A laser is the logical carrier that contains the signal.
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The writer of this is dead on. They are dumbpipes that dont realize it yet and they should be just that and regulated as so. France using our 1996 attempt clearly shows this.

You guys trying to continue to use the density argument are entertaining. Take the most dense areas in the US and compare them to the countries that have even less density and in many cases the US is still behind.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21734047 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:27:41 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733924 Eat Me :
said by 53059959 See Profile :

haha fiber will be obsolete in 15 years?

uninstall
There were people who thought that 640k of RAm was good enough for everyone too. :)

It is quite possible that fiber may become obsolete, but not because of its bandwidth. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733924 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:05:23 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733833 53059959 : haha fiber will be obsolete in 15 years?

uninstall]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733833 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:47:31 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733606 baineschile : if comcast or att were going to spend 70 billion to lay fiber...even in rural areas, where do you think that cost is going to come from? the consumer. you think prices will go down? never.

maybe it can come from a government subsidized program? the consumers tax dollars at work, plus the government control which will just saturate services. either way, the US is geograpically a big place.

france, has 333 people per square km, but most of those people are centrally located in or around paris (with a larger population in the south of france too)

the us has 180, almost half the amount of people per sq/km, and is 10 times as large as france, which means a LOT more $$$$ to run lines.

fiber may be obselete in 15 years anyways, with laser pulsing technology taking over; so why would a company want to invest in that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733606 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:15:25 EDT Re: ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733352 Sammer :
said by Eat Me See Profile :

Not everyone has deep pockets like Veri$on.
and $$$_AT&T_$$$.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733352 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:35:49 EDT ROI http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733295 Eat Me : Not everyone has deep pockets like Veri$on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21733295 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:24:59 EDT