What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage in World of Warcraft http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21737980 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:21:47 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:21:47 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23728175 Mike : 3.. 3.. 1... 3.... oh yeah 7%. math is hard. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23728175 Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:40:20 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23727852 anon :
said by Mike See Profile :

MP5 on a mage is bad.
Spirit is half pointless because of a crit benefit. You need a mana pool for 2 minutes with your gem and evocation.

With replenish, you should be fine. There is no reason to run out of mana as arcane anymore.

If you spec it, you only need 9% as alliance.

(shadow priest, draenei aura, random arcane talents)
Most of what you said is correct, Mike. However you only need 7% after talents and raid buffs to be capped.

MP/5 is not good for a mage, ever. It is a terrible waste of item points. Spirit is ok, but should not be sought after, as it adds to crit, but crit is very poor for arcane in comparison to SP and haste.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23727852 Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:26:30 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23727646 Mike : MP5 on a mage is bad.
Spirit is half pointless because of a crit benefit. You need a mana pool for 2 minutes with your gem and evocation.

With replenish, you should be fine. There is no reason to run out of mana as arcane anymore.

If you spec it, you only need 9% as alliance.

(shadow priest, draenei aura, random arcane talents)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23727646 Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:23:03 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21808744 Mashiki : You really need a raid to back you up, and need to know the old arcane management tricks, proper cooldown use and if and when you can evo(it's still a massive dps loss but somtimes...). When to use 2AB over 3AB rotations and things like that.

But you can pull some really pretty numbers with it, but I don't see it currently scaling past Uldar with the way ffb scales in crit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21808744 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:17:51 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21806786 fireballin : I very strongly advise any Magi reading this post to beware of arcane spec.

It is incredibly mana intensive.Spirit and mp5 are very important stats to this build, as is intellect.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21806786 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:38:54 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794178 Mashiki :
said by inneroracle :

Actually, if you spec 3% in elemental precision and the rest of the points down the arcane tree, since the most recent patch, this will mean that your hit cap is down to 14%. So, will arcane be the new raiding spec with the changes made to the arcane tree and arcane blast?
Actually it means that the hit cap is between 7-8% if you have misery/imp.FF and/or a draenei, providing you pick up EP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21794178 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:41:01 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21793539 klambert : Here is a nice explanation of spell hit and hit caps. It also includes some great charts, including one near the end that expains everybody's hit cap levels for every combination of talents/race/spells.

Even a doofus-head like me can understand it :)
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209 EP+AF (57/3/11) + misery/impFF or 183 w/draeni.

Folks can read it here.
»elitistjerks.com/f75/t42876-arcane_thread/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21783519 Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:36:54 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772771 fireballin : With the changes to Arcane Blast, an arcane Frost build might see more use in raiding for mana and hit issues.

It has been confirmed that Precision and AF stack for the hit reduction, but i don't remember on the mana cost:(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772771 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:13:39 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772356 Mashiki : 445raw, 419w/draenei.
367+AF or EP (NO misery/impFF), 341w/draenei
288+AF or EP + Misery/impFF, 262w/draenei

That should be right.

Let me add in an edit here, since I haven't looked on the PTR or anything to see if AF now stacks with Precision, if it does comes 3.0.8 you'll need 3% less hit if you can take both, but I'd hazard most builds will avoid it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21772356 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:51:01 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21771871 anon : the number is 398 that is the spell hit cap for a mage!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21771871 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:33:28 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21766684 fireballin : Also in 3.0.8 Elemental Precision in the frost tree, tier 2 will be changed to affect all spells, so you can talent arcane to an 11% hitcap, 8% with Spriest]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21766684 Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:17:44 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739629 Archivis : You guys are too fast :P

Basically confirming what he said. 17% hit rating is whats needed on bosses, not on trash, so the issue with it being stacked on a target rather than party/raid wide isn't an issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739629 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:54:40 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739602 brrock : Since that part is a debuff on the mob it will effect all who are casting on it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739602 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:49:51 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739575 LuisRodg : Oh I see. But it doesnt mention anything about granting this ability to the party/raid?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739575 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:46:33 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739571 anon : i used a web site call be imba »be.imba.hu/ it will tell you how mini more point hit point you need and if you are over too..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739571 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:46:03 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739560 brrock : The talent is Misery (I looked it up) It makes Shadow Word Pain, Mind Flay, and Vamp touch spells increase the chance for harmful spells to hit your target by 1% per point for 24 secs and it adds some other damage to shadow priest spells.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739560 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:44:07 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739540 LuisRodg : Hey Archivis,

What spriest talent is the one that grants +3% hit to the group? I was looking at the talent tree and the only talent is Shadow Focus 3/3 which grants 3% hit and 6% reduced mana to shadow spells, however, it doesnt mention anything of granting the hit the party as well?

Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739540 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:40:57 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739467 brrock : FYI from what I have read 26.26 spell hit = 1% ( here is a great discussion of spell hit on the Mage forums »forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa···72&sid=1 ) So for raids 368 is the magic number assuming there is a shadow priest for Misery or Druid that has Improved Faerie Fire in the raid. Arcane Mages rely on crit more then haste so if you have one item with haste that you could swap for some hit and/or crit you may be better off. I recommend you check out the link it has some real good info on spell hit. The 368 number is without talents that help hit and also without the 1% hit draenei's can give the raid.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21739467 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:27:19 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21738794 Ghastlyone : I'm sitting at 300 spell hit rating myself, and I usually use a +40hit rating food buff bringing it up to around 340 for raids. Being affliction spec'd, I put max points into Suppression for the extra hit %. I'm also at almost 700 haste rating with a grand spellstone up, and about 13-14% spell crit. I could probably get a little more hit rating with re-gems but man... I love all that haste too much :D

With that, I very rarely...if ever..get spell misses. When I run 10man though with no shadow priest I notice a few more misses here and there.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21738794 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:27:33 EDT Re: What is the spell hit cap for a lvl 80 full arcane spec mage http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21738681 Archivis : My understanding is that all caster hit caps are at 17% (not to be confused with melee hit cap which varies). At 17%, you then break it down from there. Do you have a shadowpriest in the raid? Yes? Then you only need 14% hit.

Assuming you have a shadowpriest, you now are looking at talents. How much hit rating do talents afford you? The first tier of arcane talents gives you 3% hit rating for your arcane talens. So now, if you've got an spriest, you only need 11%. 14% without.

I hope this answers your question.
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I am currently at 298 for spell hit and 301 for spell haste. My crit is only 13%.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21737980 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:13:16 EDT