| what will really happen When things pick back up, they will all get back pay plus bonuses. Happens all the time. |
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Re: what will really happen said by Goober:All you guys sure sound like a bunch of bitter old farts. It is about time upper management has to feel some of the pain the rest of the workforce feels.
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kudos:4 | Maybe so, but the vitriol is amazing. It's like a strong envy or jealousy that consumes people.
And, a lot of this comes from people that don't work nearly as hard and have a higher sense of enitlement than the executives they criticise.
I work literally from 7:30 until 7:00 every day and several hours on the weekends. I've taken pay cuts and frozen salaries. This year I took a frozen salary, even through there are only several dozen of us in the corporate offices and over 100K in the workforce, because it "wouldn't look good if we got raises this year." Yet, I worked my butt off. The workers just kept working their shifts.
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| said by Goober:And, a lot of this comes from people that don't work nearly as hard and have a higher sense of enitlement than the executives they criticise. From what I've seen, most executives don't work nearly as hard as those "lower down the corporate food chain." They are the definition of under-worked and overpaid, unlike folks like myself who are overworked and underpaid; in my case, it is the result of an upper management decision that was made in a vacuum that's left the department understaffed by at least two people and working in a field where always on-call is an old concept.
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kudos:4 | reply to jebba2005
I suppose it depends on the organization. All of the places I've worked, I've seen executives putting in long hours. Where I work presently, it's those that are further down in the organization that put in basically 8-5 work hours. The exceptions are typically ones that are targeted for raises and promotions and increased responsibility.
My father used to have an acquaintance at his workplace who was always home by 5 for supper my dad would tell me. Yet, my dad was rarely home earlier than 7. 25 years down the road, my father was a corporate VP and eventually CTO of one of the companies largest subs. My father's friend retired as a manager.
I think that if the prevailing mindset is that the executives don't work hard and that they aren't as smart as those who grouse about things all the time, then people need to take a serious second look.
What is it that leads you to believe that the execs don't work as hard/smarter than the underlings? |
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| said by Goober:What is it that leads you to believe that the execs don't work as hard/smarter than the underlings? I've seen the VP schedules... Let's just say that they put in a lot of time on extra-curricular items, like golf tournaments and fund raisers. That is hardly "work". Meanwhile, I am at work every day, doing to work of probably two people, constantly having to put projects on hold because we are bombarded with more work than the department can handle. Like I said earlier, I'm one of those people whose phone can ring at any hour of any day and I have to be at work ready to solve problems quickly.
As for them not being as smart, that is one of those, depends on the exec judgment calls. I've seen some pretty boneheaded decisions in upper management, totally contrary to what is actually going on. Imagine a hiring freeze that prevents a department from replacing a deceased member of the team. Now you have a team that works less efficiently because work exceeds the available manpower. It comes down to bad decisions eroding confidence.
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1 edit | I suppose it's all perspective from which side of the aisle one sits. Establishing and maintaining relationships are important functions. Work isn't necessarily determined by the amount of physical labor. |
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