devnuller
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Hollis, NH | You lost me at....
"...union officials said..." |
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pnh102
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| said by devnuller  :"...union officials said..." Agreed. We've seen how great unions have been for the Big 3 car companies. I take what they say about copper with a grain of salt.
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DannyZ
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Erie, PA | Wow how about evaluating the message instead of the messenger?  |
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Ryno
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said by pnh102 :said by devnuller :"...union officials said..." Agreed. We've seen how great unions have been for the Big 3 car companies. I take what they say about copper with a grain of salt. I'm sure all the fat cats up top earning a gazillion dollars are not union. BOTH sides are at fault, both side make "live for today" decisions, not long term.
A couple years ago Ford was getting $9000 profit on every Expedition. on top of that dealers were getting an additional slice of pie making the pure profit alone well over $10,000 - $12,000. this was after costs.
Maybe if they put out a quality product at a reasonable price more people could afford new vehicles. but then Joe Blow CEO couldn't make his unreasonable salary, and the banks playing with stocks wouldn't be making money, and the mutual fund managers could ... nm, nothing will change |
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Hall
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said by devnuller :"...union officials said..." I'll admit that I don't know enough about the whole infrastructure of a copper phone network, but when the union guy says "...Verizon foremen regularly instruct workers in the field to splice faulty copper lines instead of replacing them", isn't replacing lines an enormous task ? |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
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What the union states is true. I originally had verizon copper phone line service. I was tied up with a doctors office (i would pick my phone up and hear the conversation) . VErizons tech supp told me right out that they will not fix the problem because they are installing fios and dont want to spend the money to fix the copper . HE also said if I dont like it go somewhere else. So we did we went to cablevisions voip and have had great phone service ever since. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10 | reply to pnh102
Sure... cause the CEOS making Millions in Kick Backs and Bonuses and begging for Billions in bail out money are unioned right? Mismanagement starts at the top and flows downriver. |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | reply to DannyZ
Because the message is brought into question if the messenger is HIGHLY biased. We are only getting their side of "the message" and can't trust them to tell us the whole story. |
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | reply to majortom1029
That's been an Ohio issue long before FiOS was ever thought of. Hell that was back when DSL first came out and in Ohio VZ was not allowed to sell VZ Online. Only the loop and was had to let an ISP handle the rest. |
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RadioDoc
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join:2000-05-11 | reply to Hall
I'm wondering how much care the union workers are taking in splicing cable if the splices fail that quickly. Sounds like there may be a bit blame for both sides of this argument. |
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DannyZ
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Erie, PA | reply to Dogfather
And the poster I replied to shows his bias and closed mind when he refuses to evaluate the message and instead evaluates the messenger. |
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comitatus1
join:2008-10-31
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said by DannyZ :Wow how about evaluating the message instead of the messenger? Would you take abstinence advice from Wilt Chamberlain?
I didn't think so. |
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DannyZ
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1 edit | If I evaluated his advice for what it wa,and it was sound advice, then yes. Just because someone may be a hypocrite/biased/whatever doesn't mean they cannot raise valid points or offer factual information.
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Dogfather
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The message of a highly biased messenger is pointless. There is nothing to evaluate other than the agenda of the messenger.
If the source of this message were totally unbiased I would agree, but coming from a group with such a huge financial interest, it can't be taken at face value at all.
You can't trust ANYTHING the union says just as you can't trust ANYTHING Verizon corporate spokesholes say. |
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pnh102
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said by DannyZ :Wow how about evaluating the message instead of the messenger? The union has much to lose by Verizon dumping copper and much to gain by keeping copper. That should put the message in a more appropriate context.
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pnh102
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said by majortom1029 :So we did we went to cablevisions voip and have had great phone service ever since. So then what's the problem?
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to Ryno
I agree with you regarding the Big 3 executive salaries. But that's also the shareholders' fault.
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pnh102
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said by jc100 :Sure... cause the CEOS making Millions in Kick Backs and Bonuses and begging for Billions in bail out money are unioned right? Mismanagement starts at the top and flows downriver. To be fair, it was the management that did indeed give away the store to the unions (at least in the Big 3). And yes, you're right, the bungling starts at the top. But when it comes down to putting the vehicles together, that's where the unions take most of the blame.
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mod_wastrel
join:2008-03-28 | reply to RadioDoc
Yep, that was my "conspiracy theory". I've had [buried] copper to my house spliced before and it lasted for many years (till FiOS was installed at least). |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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You've been listening to Rush for too long....
Heres a clear cut case where not only are the technicians working on these lines complaining about it, but state agencies are also complaining about this. Lets take you for example. Your from California...do I dismiss Californias financial problems because you say that you have them.... No!
Why, because it's common knowledge. Your disgust with the collective bargaining agents that provided a forty hour work week and benefits for both union and non union workers is showing. Your lack of gratitude is duly noted.
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