pnh102
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Re: You lost me at....
said by devnuller  :"...union officials said..." Agreed. We've seen how great unions have been for the Big 3 car companies. I take what they say about copper with a grain of salt.
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DannyZ
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Erie, PA | Wow how about evaluating the message instead of the messenger?  |
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Ryno
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said by pnh102 :said by devnuller :"...union officials said..." Agreed. We've seen how great unions have been for the Big 3 car companies. I take what they say about copper with a grain of salt. I'm sure all the fat cats up top earning a gazillion dollars are not union. BOTH sides are at fault, both side make "live for today" decisions, not long term.
A couple years ago Ford was getting $9000 profit on every Expedition. on top of that dealers were getting an additional slice of pie making the pure profit alone well over $10,000 - $12,000. this was after costs.
Maybe if they put out a quality product at a reasonable price more people could afford new vehicles. but then Joe Blow CEO couldn't make his unreasonable salary, and the banks playing with stocks wouldn't be making money, and the mutual fund managers could ... nm, nothing will change |
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majortom1029
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What the union states is true. I originally had verizon copper phone line service. I was tied up with a doctors office (i would pick my phone up and hear the conversation) . VErizons tech supp told me right out that they will not fix the problem because they are installing fios and dont want to spend the money to fix the copper . HE also said if I dont like it go somewhere else. So we did we went to cablevisions voip and have had great phone service ever since. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10 | reply to pnh102
Sure... cause the CEOS making Millions in Kick Backs and Bonuses and begging for Billions in bail out money are unioned right? Mismanagement starts at the top and flows downriver. |
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Dogfather
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Because the message is brought into question if the messenger is HIGHLY biased. We are only getting their side of "the message" and can't trust them to tell us the whole story. |
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hottboiinnc
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That's been an Ohio issue long before FiOS was ever thought of. Hell that was back when DSL first came out and in Ohio VZ was not allowed to sell VZ Online. Only the loop and was had to let an ISP handle the rest. |
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DannyZ
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And the poster I replied to shows his bias and closed mind when he refuses to evaluate the message and instead evaluates the messenger. |
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said by DannyZ :Wow how about evaluating the message instead of the messenger? Would you take abstinence advice from Wilt Chamberlain?
I didn't think so. |
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DannyZ
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1 edit | If I evaluated his advice for what it wa,and it was sound advice, then yes. Just because someone may be a hypocrite/biased/whatever doesn't mean they cannot raise valid points or offer factual information.
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The message of a highly biased messenger is pointless. There is nothing to evaluate other than the agenda of the messenger.
If the source of this message were totally unbiased I would agree, but coming from a group with such a huge financial interest, it can't be taken at face value at all.
You can't trust ANYTHING the union says just as you can't trust ANYTHING Verizon corporate spokesholes say. |
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pnh102
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said by DannyZ :Wow how about evaluating the message instead of the messenger? The union has much to lose by Verizon dumping copper and much to gain by keeping copper. That should put the message in a more appropriate context.
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pnh102
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said by majortom1029 :So we did we went to cablevisions voip and have had great phone service ever since. So then what's the problem?
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to Ryno
I agree with you regarding the Big 3 executive salaries. But that's also the shareholders' fault.
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pnh102
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said by jc100 :Sure... cause the CEOS making Millions in Kick Backs and Bonuses and begging for Billions in bail out money are unioned right? Mismanagement starts at the top and flows downriver. To be fair, it was the management that did indeed give away the store to the unions (at least in the Big 3). And yes, you're right, the bungling starts at the top. But when it comes down to putting the vehicles together, that's where the unions take most of the blame.
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You've been listening to Rush for too long....
Heres a clear cut case where not only are the technicians working on these lines complaining about it, but state agencies are also complaining about this. Lets take you for example. Your from California...do I dismiss Californias financial problems because you say that you have them.... No!
Why, because it's common knowledge. Your disgust with the collective bargaining agents that provided a forty hour work week and benefits for both union and non union workers is showing. Your lack of gratitude is duly noted.
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Sorry, I am not going to believe the union who has a huge financial interest in the outcome nor state agencies eyeing earmarks from the Fed to fix these supposed problems.
The only thing I trust less than a corporate spokeshole or union thug is a government hack. |
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Union or non, assembly workers can only install parts that are before them. THEY don't design the parts, manafement does. Management calls out the specs. The rank and file installs crap just as well as quality. Design a good product and don't shortshrift the customer on quality and it doesn't matter who installed it.
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| Exactly. The Engineers design what the grunts put together. If the product sucks, the people slapping it together are not to blame. Sure, they could MAKE SUGGESTIONS, but how many times do these fall on deaf ears? Once again, shit flows from the top and backs up at the bottom. As for pnh, unions were created because Management FAILED to listen to workers to begin with. Had this NOT been a problem, there wouldn't be a need for unions. Are they perfect, NO. Do they get greedy, YES. However, the problems that lead to these unions being formed STARTED due to bad management.
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said by Dogfather :The message of a highly biased messenger is pointless. There is nothing to evaluate other than the agenda of the messenger. If the source of this message were totally unbiased I would agree, but coming from a group with such a huge financial interest, it can't be taken at face value at all. You can't trust ANYTHING the union says just as you can't trust ANYTHING Verizon corporate spokesholes say. Doggie boy, I can tell you for a FACT that this is happening all over and I'm NOT a member of amy union. It's a directive handed down from management.
Turn off your obvious anti union bias, take your head out of the sand, and see the reality right in front of your eyes! |
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