DannyZ
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Re: You lost me at....
Wow how about evaluating the message instead of the messenger?  |
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Dogfather
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Laguna Hills, CA | Because the message is brought into question if the messenger is HIGHLY biased. We are only getting their side of "the message" and can't trust them to tell us the whole story. |
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DannyZ
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Erie, PA | And the poster I replied to shows his bias and closed mind when he refuses to evaluate the message and instead evaluates the messenger. |
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said by DannyZ  :Wow how about evaluating the message instead of the messenger? Would you take abstinence advice from Wilt Chamberlain?
I didn't think so. |
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DannyZ
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1 edit | If I evaluated his advice for what it wa,and it was sound advice, then yes. Just because someone may be a hypocrite/biased/whatever doesn't mean they cannot raise valid points or offer factual information.
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The message of a highly biased messenger is pointless. There is nothing to evaluate other than the agenda of the messenger.
If the source of this message were totally unbiased I would agree, but coming from a group with such a huge financial interest, it can't be taken at face value at all.
You can't trust ANYTHING the union says just as you can't trust ANYTHING Verizon corporate spokesholes say. |
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pnh102
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said by DannyZ :Wow how about evaluating the message instead of the messenger? The union has much to lose by Verizon dumping copper and much to gain by keeping copper. That should put the message in a more appropriate context.
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You've been listening to Rush for too long....
Heres a clear cut case where not only are the technicians working on these lines complaining about it, but state agencies are also complaining about this. Lets take you for example. Your from California...do I dismiss Californias financial problems because you say that you have them.... No!
Why, because it's common knowledge. Your disgust with the collective bargaining agents that provided a forty hour work week and benefits for both union and non union workers is showing. Your lack of gratitude is duly noted.
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Sorry, I am not going to believe the union who has a huge financial interest in the outcome nor state agencies eyeing earmarks from the Fed to fix these supposed problems.
The only thing I trust less than a corporate spokeshole or union thug is a government hack. |
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said by Dogfather :The message of a highly biased messenger is pointless. There is nothing to evaluate other than the agenda of the messenger. If the source of this message were totally unbiased I would agree, but coming from a group with such a huge financial interest, it can't be taken at face value at all. You can't trust ANYTHING the union says just as you can't trust ANYTHING Verizon corporate spokesholes say. Doggie boy, I can tell you for a FACT that this is happening all over and I'm NOT a member of amy union. It's a directive handed down from management.
Turn off your obvious anti union bias, take your head out of the sand, and see the reality right in front of your eyes! |
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Dogfather
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2 edits | LOL. You go on drinking that union Kool-Aid sport. I'll wait for a non-biased assessment thanks.
I guess you also believe it when a tobacco company tells you that 2nd hand smoke isn't harmful to your health. |
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said by Dogfather :You've been listening to union puppetmasters for too long. Please define a union puppetmaster.
said by Dogfather :Sorry, I am not going to believe the union who has a huge financial interest in the outcome nor state agencies eyeing earmarks from the Fed to fix these supposed problems. The union represents their members (or not).
Management represents their employees (or not).
The board represents their stockholders (or not).
Why would you trust anything any of them say?
Don't they all represent themselves first?
Just curious what you think.
said by Dogfather :The only thing I trust less than a corporate spokeshole or union thug is a government hack. Agreed, sometimes. Keep in mind the terms spokeshole, hack and thug may all shift amoung the parties mentioned, none of the have a monopoly on any of the terms. |
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4 edits | Union Puppetmaster = quote:
...union officials said that Verizon foremen regularly instruct workers in the field to splice faulty copper lines instead of replacing them
That's my point. I don't trust anything anyone with a financial or other "stake" in the outcome says. If it were some corporate spokeshole bragging about deployment I wouldn't believe any of it. If it's some political hack saying it, I don't automatically believe it (especially in a big earmark era). By their nature they're all greedy liars.
And no, hack, thug, spokehole doesn't shift...it's what all these propagandists are and always will be. The fact that they represent "themselves" solely is why we must question everything they say. |
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