 djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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| I don't like this at all... I realize that IP stands for Internet Protocol, but just because it's an IP based service does not mean it should be treated the same way as broadband internet service
This is no different than AT&T offering IP based television services. You can get U-verse TV or Comcast Digital Voice with no broadband service at all, and it still works.
Third party VOIP services like Vonage rely on the public Internet, and that's well known by anyone who purchases Vonage. The Vonage phone service requires broadband service. That means Vonage becomes a "client" of the Comcast HSI service you purchased, and therefore is subject to Comcast HSI's limitations.
Comcast Digital Voice is not a Comcast HSI client. It is a separate product and something that operates on a network outside of the public internet. So you may pay a bit more for CDV vs. Vonage, but you're getting a potentially more robust product.
If the FCC feels the need to force Comcast to open their voice network up to competition (as we have forced cable MSOs to open their data network to other ISPs), so be it, but it has nothing to do with Comcast HSI's network management techniques.
As long as Comcast is not singling out VOIP traffic and intentionally deprioritizing it, they're not doing anything wrong here. If VOIP services are no longer working well on Comcast since the traffic management changeover, that's certainly a problem that needs addressing. But leave CDV out of it.
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| Time Warner only agreed to open their network as part of the AOL merger. That didnt last very long at all. Comcast offers Earthlink as an ISP in very limited area. Maybe a hand full of cities.
Cox doesnt offer anyone else, Charter doesnt offer anyone else, CableOne doesn't, CableVision doesn't.
You'd have to open those networks up as well to offer the same playing field for voice as well, as well as require FiOS to open, and AT$T as well.
That wouldn't go over very well. Even with the new FCC Chairperson coming in. He will be hated right off the start if he decided to do something like that. And the Obama Admin. is stupid enough to do that.
the so called Free Press and everyone else is going to have to learn if you want a First Class Service/product then you'll pay the price for it. If you want the 3rd party service and the price it comes with then you'll take what comes of it. The same thing applies with brand-name foods over generic. Sometimes there is a difference but we don't see the Gov't making General Mills open up their factories to Malto Meal for the same product but at a cheaper price.
While we're at it opening things up we need to get some ISPs on FiOS and on U-Verse too as those should be open too. And I think I deserve to have Cablevision be my cable provider so Buckeye should be forced to open up their cable lines to them. Even though Buckeye built the company out here. But meh. I want CV. |
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by hottboiinnc:We could go back to- Did Comcast build their own network? Yes. Does Comcast support their own network? Yes. Does Hulu/Netflix build their own network? No. Do they piggy back on someone else? Yes. Does Vonage piggy back on someone else? Yes. Okay see all these yeses of course. So we can go back to Ol' Ed's comments and make the Content Providers and others PAY to be on the network. Ummm -- they pay to be on the network. I pay to be on the network. We're both paying to exchange data with one another. The ISPs ought not be trying to collect both ways.
The Internet would have never happened under that model.
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| Do you pay for a residential connection. Right? you get residential services. You're services should not be given First Class service just because YOU choose not to use DV and decide to use Skype. You knew going in that.
Comcast should NOT give you nor them the First Class ticket for free.
And I don't see Netflix paying Comcast anything. I don't see them Paying AT$T, I don't see them paying anyone the right to access their network. IF that was the case we wouldn't be talking about this. It would be a moot topic.
if you want your first class ticket buy a first class product and not some cheap ass economy product that depends on QOS. |
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said by funchords:[The ISPs ought not be trying to collect both ways. The Internet would have never happened under that model. Not sure your history of the Internet, but network cost models is what makes it work. Traffic is paid for on both sides and if you carry it from source to destination (the entire distance) you should be paid both ways.
•If one entity carriers it 1/2 way, they get 1/2.
•If one entity hops it in 1 router and expects the other entity to carry it 99% of the way, then they are just cheating. This is called bad peering ratios done by questionable ISPs, some CDNs, etc
•If one entity sits in a peering point and expects everyone to peer with them so they can carry it 3 meters vs 500 miles, than that is cheating too.
If one entity wants/gets it for free... the other had to pay the other 1/2. I think we all want the consumer to pay the least amount. |
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funchordsHelloPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Yarmouth Port, MA
kudos:5 | said by devnuller:Not sure your history of the Internet, but network cost models is what makes it work. Traffic is paid for on both sides and if you carry it from source to destination (the entire distance) you should be paid both ways. Agreed, I'm totally fine with that exception.
That's not what's being proposed, however.
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