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funchords
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reply to hottboiinnc

Re: I don't like this at all...

said by hottboiinnc:

We could go back to- Did Comcast build their own network? Yes. Does Comcast support their own network? Yes. Does Hulu/Netflix build their own network? No. Do they piggy back on someone else? Yes. Does Vonage piggy back on someone else? Yes. Okay see all these yeses of course. So we can go back to Ol' Ed's comments and make the Content Providers and others PAY to be on the network.
Ummm -- they pay to be on the network. I pay to be on the network. We're both paying to exchange data with one another. The ISPs ought not be trying to collect both ways.

The Internet would have never happened under that model.
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hottboiinnc
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Do you pay for a residential connection. Right? you get residential services. You're services should not be given First Class service just because YOU choose not to use DV and decide to use Skype. You knew going in that.

Comcast should NOT give you nor them the First Class ticket for free.

And I don't see Netflix paying Comcast anything. I don't see them Paying AT$T, I don't see them paying anyone the right to access their network. IF that was the case we wouldn't be talking about this. It would be a moot topic.

if you want your first class ticket buy a first class product and not some cheap ass economy product that depends on QOS.


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said by funchords:

[The ISPs ought not be trying to collect both ways.

The Internet would have never happened under that model.
Not sure your history of the Internet, but network cost models is what makes it work. Traffic is paid for on both sides and if you carry it from source to destination (the entire distance) you should be paid both ways.

•If one entity carriers it 1/2 way, they get 1/2.
•If one entity hops it in 1 router and expects the other entity to carry it 99% of the way, then they are just cheating. This is called bad peering ratios done by questionable ISPs, some CDNs, etc
•If one entity sits in a peering point and expects everyone to peer with them so they can carry it 3 meters vs 500 miles, than that is cheating too.

If one entity wants/gets it for free... the other had to pay the other 1/2. I think we all want the consumer to pay the least amount.


funchords
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said by devnuller:

Not sure your history of the Internet, but network cost models is what makes it work. Traffic is paid for on both sides and if you carry it from source to destination (the entire distance) you should be paid both ways.
Agreed, I'm totally fine with that exception.

That's not what's being proposed, however.
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