Ghastlyone
join:2009-01-07
North Las Vegas, NV
| reply to Bob the Bobster
Re: [ Classes] DK best DPS spec
Also I forgot to add...with the changes made to Blood, I'm still really surprised they didn't do anything to Mark of Blood.
That talent is still probably the most over powered thing in PVP, but yet they didn't touch it.
I love popping that on Rogue or Fury Warriors and just sit back and laugh. |
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Krisnatharok
0311 Scout
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join:2009-02-11
Sterling, VA
| reply to Bob the Bobster
I ended up ditching unholy for tanking and went with frost. It made me a tad squishier (according to my healer), but no more spikey damage.
Getbuffed updated their talent calculators, but I can't get them to load. I had 10 points in blood (blade barrier and bladed armor) and 5 in unholy (anticipation).
I believe improved frost presence gives better mitigation than what I was going to see in unholy. Glyphed Unbreakable Armor is ungodly, as is an 18-second Icebound Fortitude (on a 1min CD!) This means that I will have a cooldown going 2/3rds of the time (IBF for 18sec, UA for 20 sec, then 22 sec down before IBF pops again). I also have my monarch crab dodge trinket, the essence of gossamer tanking trinket, and the anti-magic shell to dampen a caster's punch.
All in all I was very happy. I had time to run H CoS and H UK before work, and as long as I used cooldowns on fights where more than 3 elites were banging on me, it was easymode. Recount wasn't updated so I had no idea what my dps was, but I saw frost strikes critting above 4k frequently, and D&D + HB is just ungodly for snap aggro.
I also love imp. frost presence--I keep my 30k hp when in blood presence! Very fun times. :-D
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Thaler
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join:2004-02-02
Encino, CA
| reply to Ghastlyone
said by Ghastlyone  :I spec'd last night another 51/0/20 build. Outta curiocity, how goes your RP when dumping? I went 51/2/18 so that I consistently have enough RP that DS doesn't dwaddle on me (and the +3 sec on DRW ain't bad either!). I didn't really see any "must grab" talents in unholy that made me look back on 51/0/20. |
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Krisnatharok
0311 Scout
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join:2009-02-11
Sterling, VA | reply to Bob the Bobster
30k unique views. Awesome! |
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pwrtoppl
C-C-C-Combo Breaker
join:2008-11-21
Broomfield, CO
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well, after a night of buggy instance servers, i did manage to throw down on a eoe run, though it was laggy (being part of the instance server)
after my respec into unholy...i still stayed at #1 dps, and enjoy the new rotation. i think dks didnt change too much on dps, though i cant wait to get the unholy blight glyph (cause itll give a minute as opposed to 20 seconds), i admit, i forget to dump rp into it every twenty seconds (130 cap now and still forget the basics) |
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Krisnatharok
0311 Scout
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join:2009-02-11
Sterling, VA | I'm pretty sure UB glyphed will only give 30 seconds. At least that's what the patch notes said...
»wowdata.getbuffed.com/?i=45803 |
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pwrtoppl
C-C-C-Combo Breaker
join:2008-11-21
Broomfield, CO
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1 edit | said by Krisnatharok :I'm pretty sure UB glyphed will only give 30 seconds. At least that's what the patch notes said... » wowdata.getbuffed.com/?i=45803 still...30 additional seconds, would help me out...i miss pushing those extra buttons i hide between my gargoyle and death coil...
edit: 10 additional seconds? alright, that can blow me...
nvm, ill just stick to the stupid 20 second stop and hit this key rotation |
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Krisnatharok
0311 Scout
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join:2009-02-11
Sterling, VA
| Lol. How do you I think about Unbreakable Armor/Bone Shield having their CD doubled to 2 minutes?? They're strictly relegated to boss CDs or popped at the start of a pull so DPS can kill a couple elites before they drop off.
I'm always half tempted to go "Wait a minute guys, Unbreakable Armor has another 70 seconds of CD, someone throw down a feast or something" after every pull. If every DK tank did that, enough people would qq that the CDs would be lowered again.
Ah, I wish. |
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Ghastlyone
join:2009-01-07
North Las Vegas, NV
| reply to Thaler
said by Thaler :said by Ghastlyone :I spec'd last night another 51/0/20 build. Outta curiocity, how goes your RP when dumping? I went 51/2/18 so that I consistently have enough RP that DS doesn't dwaddle on me (and the +3 sec on DRW ain't bad either!). I didn't really see any "must grab" talents in unholy that made me look back on 51/0/20. To be honest...with having the 4set Tier7 bonus, I can never seem to get rid of runic power fast enough.
Soon as I can get my hands on a DRW glyph, that talent will be really nice. |
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abg
join:2009-02-06
| I'm currently using a 17/51/3 spec. I'm torn between that and 51/2/18.
In some relatively quick testing (~3-4 minutes on a raid-level dummy) I find that they are roughly the same dps with the frost build being ever so slightly more dps. That is without using Hysteria, which, over 3 minutes, would probably balance it out.
Right now I can't find the HB glyph or the DRW glyph, so that would impact overall dps. Right now I'm doing:
IT > BS > HB > OB > FS dump
I want to change that to:
HB > OB > BSx2 > FS dump || HB > OBx2 > FS dump.
2 things out of curiosity for blood, though:
1) What rotation are you using to get 4k dps on a non-heroic target dummy? I was averaging 3k dps on the raid boss target dummies (though granted, they were at ~1 hp, so diseases didn't tick right) in both specs and consider myself decently geared (Deathaxe on Mal'Ganis).
2) Is anyone using Obliterate over Death Strike as blood? I did some testing on the PTR and on live and they both push roughly the same dps overall though OB is more than DS by a small amount, which seems to be made up with the extra disease dmg. I'm largely curious if one will eventually show a distinct advantage over the other as gear scales. |
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Dandy
join:2001-12-30
Brooklyn, NY
clubs: | reply to Bob the Bobster
what are your specs now in 3.1? |
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pwrtoppl
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join:2008-11-21
Broomfield, CO
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| reply to abg
said by abg :I'm currently using a 17/51/3 spec. I'm torn between that and 51/2/18. 1) What rotation are you using to get 4k dps on a non-heroic target dummy? I was averaging 3k dps on the raid boss target dummies (though granted, they were at ~1 hp, so diseases didn't tick right) in both specs and consider myself decently geared (Deathaxe on Mal'Ganis). are you going up against the boss dummy? or level 80 dummies? cause the numbers do change between the two |
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Holyshayt
@statoil.com
| I have been levelling my DK using the desise less rotation. Since obliterate has been nrefed - lost 9% crit with blood specc - I kept using a desise less rotation with Death Strike insted og Obliterate. My dps actually increased  and on elite mobs - I keep desises up and heals myself easily with DS.
I thought DK was nerfed in this patch but blood has been buffed |
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Krisnatharok
0311 Scout
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join:2009-02-11
Sterling, VA | No complaints here. I was tanking tonight as a heroics-geared tank in HoS and pulled an average of 1800 dps as a frost tank. |
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Riyo
@wcmc.com
| reply to Bob the Bobster
ran 52/0/19 topped dps hit a lovely 17k DS on razor, im pretty much hitting diseaseless unless a situation occurs like XT temper tantrum lol throw up ps, it to heal self, let the healers worry about the clothies lol, going thru alot of different specs we also did patchwork 25 to test it, pre patch id hit patch for 5.2k, last night was doing 6.1k dps with old diseaseless rotation (using DS) 8D |
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help lol
@charter.com
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Re: DK DPS Help
i have a quick question and yes its perfectly fine to call me a noob but i really need help in what is the best dps spec for a first time 80 dk and what rotation i am only pulling like with buffs 1300 ya i know sad lol. But any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I realize my gear isnt tier 7 or anything like tht but i have some epics and a couple of 200 item lvl weapons. Just looking for some frindly advice |
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Krisnatharok
0311 Scout
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join:2009-02-11
Sterling, VA
| Dear anonymous,
Firstly, focus on getting your hit rating via enchantments, gems, and drops to as close to 300 as possible.
Secondly, google "dps DK help" or "DK pre-raid gear" or something related to get a good idea of the available gear out there. Start doing daily quests for the different factions--all of them have different gear and enchantments that can advance what you have.
Make friends with a reliable tank or healer and start running heroic dungeons to get the possible drops out there. This will be your biggest source of advancement--wearing tabards will advance your reputation for every mob/boss you kill and you'll get drops.
As for rotations, pick a tree you like (blood has self-healing and huge single target crits, frost capitalizes on Obliterate and Howling Blast mechanics and Unholy has all the little DoTs that add up to massive damage) and run with it.
Your usual rotation goes something like this:
Icy Touch, Plague Strike, blood rune strike (blood strike or Heart Strike if blood) x2, then Death Strike (blood), Obliterate (frost), or Scourge Strike (unholy). Then dump your runic power thru death coils (blood), frost strikes (frost), or Unholy Blight (Unholy, then death coils when it's up.
Pick talents in your tree that turn the other runes into death runes so you can use your tree's special strikes with those runes.
Each tree has special abilities: Blood has a Dancing Rune Weapon that copies your attacks, and Hysteria that increases your damage at cost to your health. Frost has Howling Blast, an attack that can crit on any mob close for massive damage. Unholy has a permanent pet, Unholy Blight (damages any enemy close), an extra disease, and a Gargoyle.
Each class also can buff your entire group or raid: Blood has Abomination's Might (+10% strength). Frost has Icy Talons (I think that's the name)-- +20% melee haste. Unholy has a third disease that increases all magic attacks against the target by 13% (casters will love you).
Anyways... there's a primer. |
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help lol
@charter.com
| I really appreciate you taking the time to type all the out i fill it will help me with getting the max dps out of my player as he is right now. i will let you know how it goes. i was 54/0/17 before but was onl pulling like 1200-1300 depending on buffs but apparently with the gear i have is pretty good. i men obviuosly im def. not you guys but i guess i just max for what i have. |
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help lol
@charter.com
| Wow i dont know how to think u it wasnt the spec i had cause i went dack to 52/0/19 and with horn of winter on the boss dummy i am exceding 1500 dps consistent all it was is the rotation of my abilities. i know tht 1500 is not great compared to yous guys but when before i could barely get 1000 well not anymore lol.but considering im still using the de-raged waraxe but i have a spiked titansteel helm and the ice striker cloak im trying man. but really appreciated thx. |
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Krisnatharok
0311 Scout
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join:2009-02-11
Sterling, VA | Pick up the titansteel destroyer as well. |
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