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Re: The Holy one will provide I think they should be required to build out to rural areas, because all along they've been collecting taxes and fees from rural customers for years now.
As it is now, Verizon and ATT aren't even building out FiOS or U-Verse to even moderately populated suburban areas under their control.
Rural areas also contribute more to the economy than you care to know.
Food, water, electricity, natural resources, fuel (oil, coal, gas, biomass, ethanol), interstate highways all depend on rural areas. They are even used for fiber optic broadband lines.
So since the big cities are getting so much from the rural areas, it is only fair that their residents who pretty much make your cushy life in the big cities possible get access to advanced services. | |
| said by fifty nine:I think they should be required to build out to rural areas, because all along they've been collecting taxes and fees from rural customers for years now. They've been collecting taxes and fees from urban customers too. Urban customers pay much more into it than the rural customers, therefore, its a subsidy.
said by fifty nine:As it is now, Verizon and ATT aren't even building out FiOS or U-Verse to even moderately populated suburban areas under their control. Of course they are going to build it out to the most profitable areas first. If an area is worth developing, they will probably do it.
said by fifty nine:Rural areas also contribute more to the economy than you care to know. Food, water, electricity, natural resources, fuel (oil, coal, gas, biomass, ethanol), interstate highways all depend on rural areas. They are even used for fiber optic broadband lines. So since the big cities are getting so much from the rural areas, it is only fair that their residents who pretty much make your cushy life in the big cities possible get access to advanced services. Wow... where to start on this one... You act like urban areas are just getting all this stuff for free. We pay for all that stuff. The food is subsidized by us AND paid for by us in grocery stores. We pay for water rights. We pay for coal and electricity, we paid for rights of way for interstate roads and fiber broadband lines. Just because you personally don't make any money on any of these things doesn't mean somebody isn't. As for your statement on "cushy life in the big cities," you've just proven how uninformed you really are... | |
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Wow... where to start on this one... You act like urban areas are just getting all this stuff for free. We pay for all that stuff. The food is subsidized by us AND paid for by us in grocery stores. We pay for water rights. We pay for coal and electricity, we paid for rights of way for interstate roads and fiber broadband lines. Just because you personally don't make any money on any of these things doesn't mean somebody isn't. As for your statement on "cushy life in the big cities," you've just proven how uninformed you really are...
Actually a lot of what "you paid" for was seized via eminent domain.
Many landowners don't willingly give up land to build interstate highways, run powerlines, gas lines or run broadband fiber.
IT IS SEIZED THROUGH EMINENT DOMAIN.
In order to satisfy the constitutional requirement that property shall not be taken without fair compensation, the Government gives landowners some token amount of money, which is most times far below the fair market value.
Utility easements are even worse because they don't even offer much, if any compensation. Maybe a small adjustment in your property taxes, if any.
I think you need to get out of the city and open your eyes before you keep condemning rural customers to hell.
As far as big cities go, I've lived in New York City for many years. I know what it's like in the city. | |
| Actually, MOST of it is not seized via eminent domain. Certainly there have been cases where what you described is true. By an large, however, most people sell their land at a sizable profit. Most often, its the greediest who get screwed by eminent domain. As far as "getting out of the big city," I lived in rural NW Iowa for years. Just because you were a slacker in the Big Apple, doesn't mean everyone else is. | |
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Actually, MOST of it is not seized via eminent domain. Certainly there have been cases where what you described is true. By an large, however, most people sell their land at a sizable profit. Most often, its the greediest who get screwed by eminent domain. As far as "getting out of the big city," I lived in rural NW Iowa for years. Just because you were a slacker in the Big Apple, doesn't mean everyone else is.
Today the reality is that investor owned utilities are too damned cheap to pay fair market value, so they are going straight to the state to seize property.
It is happening right now with PSE&G's susquehanna-roseland powerline project. They are bypassing township approvals and going straight to the state.
They had a public meeting in town and almost 1000 people showed up, and I haven't heard yet one person support willingly giving up their property to run a powerline. Furthermore, those who are in sight of the line aren't compensated for any decrease in property value.
It is NOT about greed. It is about Governments allowing private companies to seize property.
Anyway the point is that we would be just fine without the additional power line. Big cities like Newark and NYC won't, so now they have to force this power line somehow. | |
| You act like rural areas have a monopoly on eminent domain disputes. Eminent domain disputes happen everywhere, including urban areas. If its such a problem, its up to you and the voters in your area to vote in politicians who will stop eminent domain abuse... | |
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You act like rural areas have a monopoly on eminent domain disputes. Eminent domain disputes happen everywhere, including urban areas. If its such a problem, its up to you and the voters in your area to vote in politicians who will stop eminent domain abuse...
Of course, but eminent domain is far too often used in rural areas to build infrastructure that benefits primarily urban areas while "those damn hicks out in the woods" get the short end of the stick. | | |
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