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Re: Wow! said by fiberguy:said by TomClancy:Wow, somebody worse than Comcast? Hell is freezing over... Embarq, AT&T, and Time Warner are all talking about, and testing, 5gig caps.. there are FAR worse that Comcast. So far, comcast has the best system/plan in place, even over wave. Comcast is still 250 no matter what speed you have.. I guess Embarq, AT&T, and Time Warner are gonna get a big surprise when people don't want their ridiculous service and go back to dial up.
Let's see how many takers they get for 5 GB a month service. People can do that much on a cell phone for God's sake. | |
fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | You're correct about that's what you get with a cellular connection. HOWEVER (rather than a "butt") there are many people out there that still, to this day, do not use 5gb of data in a month so they won't know the difference.
There is something that will come to light soon IF these guys deploy 5gb caps. These networks know what users are using per month and most likely user on the average user. HOWEVER, if they chose 5gb as "the" 95% user base and it turns that out the a noticeably large group of consumers see consistent overage charges, they are opening themselves up to HUGE implications by regulators and law makers.
Its funny that many people, here, are all so quick to run to these mass exodus scenarios and how dial up will be resurrected from the dead, which won't happen when they compare the 'average user' to what they themselves would use/do/think, etc.
To say people would run back to dial-up is silly anyway. I, for one, even under a 5gb cap, would most certainly not run back to dial up at any cost. If I was already pushing 5gb on broadband, I'm going to find it very hard to push 5gb on dial up at any price and the internet would be worthless.
The proof is in the puddin' and will be seen only if and or when these ridiculous caps are placed in service. Its pretty clear that Obama, who is rather tech savvy (more than others at least) is not going to have a broadband plan out there with the intention to "move this nation forward" and allow such restrictions to be initiated.
Basically, what I'm saying is that the user base here is quick to cry foul when I certainly don't think, the way things are heading, any of this will ever come to light, so for the record, this ----> :| ----- is my worried look. | |
| said by fiberguy:You're correct about that's what you get with a cellular connection. HOWEVER (rather than a "butt") there are many people out there that still, to this day, do not use 5gb of data in a month so they won't know the difference. There is something that will come to light soon IF these guys deploy 5gb caps. These networks know what users are using per month and most likely user on the average user. HOWEVER, if they chose 5gb as "the" 95% user base and it turns that out the a noticeably large group of consumers see consistent overage charges, they are opening themselves up to HUGE implications by regulators and law makers. Its funny that many people, here, are all so quick to run to these mass exodus scenarios and how dial up will be resurrected from the dead, which won't happen when they compare the 'average user' to what they themselves would use/do/think, etc. To say people would run back to dial-up is silly anyway. I, for one, even under a 5gb cap, would most certainly not run back to dial up at any cost. If I was already pushing 5gb on broadband, I'm going to find it very hard to push 5gb on dial up at any price and the internet would be worthless. The proof is in the puddin' and will be seen only if and or when these ridiculous caps are placed in service. Its pretty clear that Obama, who is rather tech savvy (more than others at least) is not going to have a broadband plan out there with the intention to "move this nation forward" and allow such restrictions to be initiated. Basically, what I'm saying is that the user base here is quick to cry foul when I certainly don't think, the way things are heading, any of this will ever come to light, so for the record, this ----> :| ----- is my worried look. I like your "worried look"... that cracked me up... LOL
Do you really think most users stay under 5 GB's a month? With the proliferation of Flash based sites, just basic surfing and email will rack up more than 5 GB's a month.
And if Grandma is just doing email, I don't think she is going to be paying the big bucks for a fast connection.
If people are aware of this, and are paying higher prices for faster connections- then suddenly getting zapped with onerous overage charges- I think they will go back to dial up. At least it's not metered. At the very least they would switch to DSL if it were available to them.
But you're probably right- it's just a bunch of hollow threats. Nobody in their right mind would sign up for it. And I really hope you're right about Obama wanting to push the country forward with broadband and other technology.
It's a shame. We used to lead the world in technology. Now we just consume what everyone else invents. And we have a long way to go just to catch up with some third world countries when it comes to broadband.
In Japan you can get a 100 Mbps symmetrical connection, with a 1 TB cap- for around $40 a month. And I hear if you go over the cap- they really don't do anything to you. My ISP will TOS you for it.
Internet TV and movie streaming is just beginning to become a viable option to compete with cable and satellite- and this is exactly why these draconian caps are being considered. Cable and satellite don't want the competition... | | |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | You bring up a valid point about video competition.. and I have two responses to that:
1) Not many people are going to sit in front of the computer to watch video.. and as many have said here, Video OnDemand is a joke of a technology, yet the same group wants video on the net.. same thing really. Either way, there needs to be some validity to the service for it to become or remain a viable choice/option.
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2) I have concerns about these "video competition" choices on the net. With providers like cable, satellite, and phone, there is major and substantial investment into the networks, unlike these "net providers"... IF these net providers were to make a difference or dent into the business, I'd be VERY worried for one reasons.. that is, what's backing them? I don't want the major, strong players harmed by the fly-by-night providers out there. The net providers can come and go as fast as the next subway train in NYC. Even Blockbuster video is not a "major player" in the market and could fold at any time.
I'm for people making a business in the market place, but when it comes to something on this scale, the players that put up the investment and put out a valid effort need to be afforded some protections from fly by night money makers.
Those that are out for the money, and not the consumer remind me of something that is plaguing us now.. Wall St. anyone? The players in the Wall St. mess were in it for the money and didn't give a rats ass about the longevity of what they were doing. This kinda activity hurt Americans in a major way.
While people sit here and cry for "choice" and "change" and these low fare options, they OFTEN forget the impact that some of these "choices" can have on you in the long run.
I don't expect 90% of the people on this site to understand what I'm saying, agree with it, or even accept it.. and that's fine.. that 80% are usually going to be the ones that only think about themselves and will go for anything they want with out owning consequences and dismiss ANYTHING that even remotely threatens threatens their dream.
All I can say is this.. be careful what you ask for.. give it some thought, and don't be too soon to dismiss people that have a different view. .. when it comes to the way things work in the business world, many here don't even care to understand it.. they just want want want..
However, to YOUR direct point.. I also do agree that it's a shame we don't lead the world.. we never really did "lead the world in technology" but we were a good player.. and that has slipped big time. Over the next 4 years, I believe we're going to see a big time turn around in the way we think about innovation... at least I hope we will. | |
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