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Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21809151 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:38:30 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:38:30 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21818791 JoeG4 :

said by Matt

said by djrobx

said by Matt

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And I have full signal at home, but would love to pay an extra $15-$20 bucks a month not to have to use my cell minutes at home. 6 of one, half-a-dozen of another. ::shrug::

Why do they need to be mutually exclusive options? Offer the hardware, and then offer an "at home unlimited" feature for an additional, optional cost?

So you want them to offer the hardware and the service for free?

ABSOLUTELY! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21818791 Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:31:48 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21815755 KrK : Yep, so why now just allow users to buy it and have no fee.

Nope.... because what they really want is another way to milk people for more $$$.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21815755 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:30:04 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21814160 NOCMan : It costs more to warehouse all that equipment, pick it up, send collectors etc etc. Than to just sell it and be done with it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21814160 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:10:58 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21813999 wifi4milez :

said by xirian

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I swear I've read people saying that they whined hard enough and didn't have to pay the fee for the device monthly.

You are correct. Apparently if you complain enough they will give you the device for free and not charge you a monthly fee. However, for the sake of argument I am just pointing out their standard offering involves paying a fee each month to have it.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21813999 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:48:14 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21811822 xirian : I swear I've read people saying that they whined hard enough and didn't have to pay the fee for the device monthly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21811822 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:03:39 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810915 wifi4milez :

said by RockyBB

said by wifi4milez

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No, Sprint requires you have a plan specifically tied to the device.

We are saying the same thing, just using different words. Sprint makes you pay a fee (call it a plan, charge, etc.) each month to have the device. The do not offer the option to simply buy the unit, then use your standard wireless minutes. It looks like just Verizon is doing this, although if we look further they too might be charging some sort of fee (charge, etc.) each month to have the device as well.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810915 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:26:00 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810883 RockyBB :

said by wifi4milez

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No, Sprint requires you have a plan specifically tied to the device.

They don't require me to have a plan to the device. I have a plan with a fee for that plan, and then a monthly fee to use the device .... minutes used on the device don't count against the allowance on the plan.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810883 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:21:19 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810541 wifi4milez :

said by RockyBB

said by djrobx

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Offer the hardware, and then offer an "at home unlimited" feature for an additional, optional cost?

That is exactly Sprint's offer.

No, Sprint requires you have a plan specifically tied to the device. Verizon appears to be just the opposite (no plan required). Hopefully, ATT will realize people might want either, and actually offer both options.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810541 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:21:30 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810464 SterlingJ85 : That's correct... BUT if you get a useable EVDO signal from a nearby tower then you can use EVDO while using the 1X(RTT) connection from the femtocell!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810464 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:06:04 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810149 Matt :

said by djrobx

said by Matt

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And I have full signal at home, but would love to pay an extra $15-$20 bucks a month not to have to use my cell minutes at home. 6 of one, half-a-dozen of another. ::shrug::

Why do they need to be mutually exclusive options? Offer the hardware, and then offer an "at home unlimited" feature for an additional, optional cost?

So you want them to offer the hardware and the service for free?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810149 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:09:05 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810056 RockyBB :

said by djrobx

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Offer the hardware, and then offer an "at home unlimited" feature for an additional, optional cost?

That is exactly Sprint's offer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21810056 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:56:38 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809796 travelguy :

said by Matt

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Since no cell phone carrier guarantees service indoors, this is a neat feature.

AFAIK, no cell company guarantees service anywhere, indoors or outdoors. All they do is show a general coverage map and tell you to drop their sevice if you don't like it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809796 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:16:18 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809691 djrobx :

said by Matt

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And I have full signal at home, but would love to pay an extra $15-$20 bucks a month not to have to use my cell minutes at home. 6 of one, half-a-dozen of another. ::shrug::

Why do they need to be mutually exclusive options? Offer the hardware, and then offer an "at home unlimited" feature for an additional, optional cost?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809691 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:59:05 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809628 ISurfTooMuch : But if I'm going to pay for a femtocell and then allow it to use the Internet connection that I pay for, I ought to see something in return. I'm not saying I should get my calls totally free, but I'm offloading my traffic from the nearby cell sites and the carrier's backhauls, and I'm helping them fill a coverage hole in their network, so I ought to get some consideration for that. And, in the case of VZW, I can't even stop others from connecting to my femtocell and using my bandwidth.

If VZW or any other carrier wants to erect a cell site on my property, they have to pay me rent and bring in their own equipment and circuits. With the femtocell arrangement, I get to foot the bill for all of this. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal for the carriers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809628 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:47:56 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809587 Count Zero : It shouldn't be an add-on at all. It should be a one-time pay for the hardware cost and then they THANK you for saving them the money of having to build another new tower to give you cell phone coverage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809587 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:41:19 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809325 anon : David, you should know better. Here in the states, wireless service charges are based on 'use of network'. Inbound or outbound, data or text, or whether it runs through a femtocell, it's a use of network, so charges apply. If ATT doesn't do this then they are leaving money on the table.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809325 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:57:54 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809287 en102 : I agree... if that were the case for me... I'd buy a repeater if I lived in an area of poor service.

I'd be tempted to purchase a repeater for unlimited use (and ditch VoIP/POTS service). I doubt that it would happen the way I'd want it though. I have enough minutes to use up that I don't need any more, and service is good enough for me right now.

You'll get better service sometime this year in your area when they build up Seco Canyon/Copper Hill site, Seco Canyon/Decoro and Seco Canyon near the end this year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809287 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:51:22 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809185 Matt :

said by djrobx

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I'd rather have Verizon's option. I don't need more minutes. I need my phone to work reliably at home, and I don't want a higher fee for the privilege.

And I have full signal at home, but would love to pay an extra $15-$20 bucks a month not to have to use my cell minutes at home. 6 of one, half-a-dozen of another. ::shrug:: ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809185 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:35:05 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809151 wifi4milez :

said by djrobx

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I'd rather have Verizon's option. I don't need more minutes. I need my phone to work reliably at home, and I don't want a higher fee for the privilege.

I totally agree. In fact, the only reason I didnt buy (or demand for free ;) ) a Sprint unit was that they require you to pay more money each month to have it. I have more minutes than I could ever use in a given month, and I have no interest in paying another $5, $10, or $20 a month to my cell phone provider. Verizon's femtocell business model is perfect in my opinion, you pay one time for the device and then just use your minutes as usual.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809151 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:29:43 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809091 ISurfTooMuch : I caught it. And I could almost live with it if the device was free, but it costs $250. So VZW is asking people to PAY to fix their coverage issues. And, for that $250, all you get is a stronger signal--minus EVDO--and you use your Internet connection to transport the call. What a deal!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809091 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:19:04 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809084 djrobx : I'd rather have Verizon's option. I don't need more minutes. I need my phone to work reliably at home, and I don't want a higher fee for the privilege.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809084 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:17:42 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809067 Matt :

said by KrK

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... when your own broadband is what supports the calls and data. You're paying them and doing their job for them. They charge you for the phones, and you pay for the broadband connection, and now they want to charge you again for using either. Sheesh. I guess I could see an equipment charge or a small monthly fee, but a "Service plan"? Gimmie a break.

You're only doing part of the work for them as they still have to route your call on the back-end (call termination). Since no cell phone carrier guarantees service indoors, this is a neat feature. It all depends on how expensive per month it is, especially the unlimited plans they refer to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809067 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:15:49 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809001 David :

said by Tobester

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WOW, that's incredible. Verizon has some gall to bill you wireless minutes when you are connected via your own broadband service. In effect, passing off the cost of network capacity expansion onto the femtocell user.

I know I was wondering if anyone else caught that or was it just me.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21809001 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:04:40 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21808968 Tobester : "Verizon's system doesn't support 3G data, calls made via broadband still count against your minutes,....."

WOW, that's incredible. Verizon has some gall to bill you wireless minutes when you are connected via your own broadband service. In effect, passing off the cost of network capacity expansion onto the femtocell user.

Heck, I only pay 2.5 cents a minute for anywhere in the USA with POTS service and have extensions in every room. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21808968 Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:58:59 EDT Re: I still don't understand why they want to charge you--- http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21808948 en102 : I agree... it should be a monthly add on of $5-$10/month.
The only reason that I could see them wanting a contract is due to unlimited calling... and then again... it should be no more than $5-$10/month.
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