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 fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | reply to morbo
Re: What the **** good does it do handing money to large MegaCo First off, morbo, I am not a Republican so you can get your narrow-minded 2-party system thinking mind out of your liberal back door. You clearly don't pay attention around here or you would know it. I make no bones about being neither republican or democrat.
Second of all, I will take my hat off to you. Apparently you ARE a democrat, based on your own logic (I use that term loosely) applied to your own post, and you think that one-upsmanship is acceptable and responsible form of government huh? So, Bush abused the public troff so it's okay for the dems, in the name of "change" of course, to out spend.. so what next? The Republicans are going to out-do the dems next? Do you EVEN SEE how stupid that sounds? That is SO kindergarten playground B.S. ... and spells out EVERYTHING wrong with government thinking today.
And, to give bush a TINY bit of defense... most of his spending went to the war that he waged in Afghanistan and Iraq. No matter where the war is/was being fought, in case you forgot, lib, we WERE attacked on 9/11 so there was going to be a big chunk of money spent to protect the U.S. ... further, you, like so many bandwagon cheerleaders forget.. the money spent today is not quite far outside of previous war-time spending, adjusted for inflation.
So before you get in here, in my face, with your weak rhetoric with your "yea but".. why don't you do some research, and ... quite frankly, grow up a little. ANYONE that justifies bad behavior by pointing to the other guy and saying "but he did it too".. show great weakness in your own argument, and, you should be embarassed.
... above all else.. YES. Dems are big spenders. You'd have to be blind to see that they are all over the gambit right now looking to raise taxes, in a recession which HISTORICALLY NEVER WORKS! and find things that are not yet taxed.. and tax it!
SOME spending is good, I'll agree, but stimulus from government spending HAS NEVER WORKED outside a war. What this tells you is that the government knows how to spend your money better than you.
Own up bro.. | |  morboComplete Your Transaction join:2002-01-22 00000 | i'm not a democrat. or republican. i've voted for 3 parties but claim allegiance to none.
i don't support the bailout. i didn't support the bank bailout. i don't support bailouts, period. i am a fiscal conservative. i believe in balanced budgets. i believe in spending less than you bring in by taxes.
what destroyed the Republican party is the rampant hypocrisy over the past 8 years. supposedly, the right is for lower taxes, smaller government, and less spending. according to your logic, that would make George W Bush a democrat. the only thing W did was to cut taxes, but to cut taxes without cutting spending is the equivalent of increasing spending. even in the midst of rampant increased spending due to the war, he pushed for tax cuts...and a stimulus. Both resulted in increased debt, which we continue to pay for every day. Under his watch, the debt increased something close to $6 trillion dollars. a Republican! big spender, big government! do you see the problem here? are Republicans so blind that they only see what they want to see? | |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | I, like yourself, voted not with a party, but for the person on the ticket. The fact they have an R, D, I, L, or other letter next to their name is, in my view, their problem, not mine. I call parties "Unions for the Politicians"..
I too believe in balanced budgets.. I am fiscally 'responsible'.. i don't even call myself conservative since that term, too, is muddy. I don't really believe in spending less than you take in with out refunding that money not spent to the people in form of a tax reduction the following year. There has to be a line that you can cross on either side, to a point. Its impossible to spend less than you budget every year or not go over the budge, BUT SOME.. but, part of budgeting is to be able to carry over habits into another term in order to balance.
Yes, I do agree with you. The R's killed their party.. well, Rove did, actually. He interjected religion into the party as a way to garner votes for his man, and did something that never should have happened (and proves another point) .. he crossed religion into politics which is exactly why our founding fathers tried to put up boundaries on that..
Also, if you do your history, you will find that the roles of the D's and the R's have actually meant different things in the early part of the last century.. and will probably change again.
There is one thing, however, that is true to this day. Dems like to tax and spend their way out of a problem and they try to balance the budget. The repubs like to do deficit spending which is a ponzi scheme on Americans. It can't be sustained for very long. You borrow too much money this way, or you cut too many services so that people can pay for their own toys, but government services, which some ARE required for society to function, get cut, and the growth in the nation slows.
One thing the parties have yet to understand is that they are BOTH radical in their thinking and that they need to come to the middle for it to work. However, while they're busy calling muslims radicals, they forget that they, themselves, are radicals as well, just in a different way. Some of what both parties stand for does work. Where it fails EVERYTIME is when they think that they have capital to spend by the american people and start doing their pet projects.
No matter WHO is in power, and no matter what their platform is.. there are only so many jobs that belong to the federal governmnet (protect our borders - often not done, ensure interstate commerce - very bastardized, and protect the constitution - which is nothing more than a welcome mat any more.) Getting involve din abortion, marriage, education, and all this other crap is not the job of the federal government. People have forgotten that.
You and I actually do see things eye-to-eye after reading this message. Maybe our ways of speaking it can come off hastily at times. However, there is one thing I am NOT and that is someone that follows any party. Bush was not a republican.. he was a kindergarten drop-out. | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| reply to fiberguy said by fiberguy:SOME spending is good, I'll agree, but stimulus from government spending HAS NEVER WORKED outside a war. What this tells you is that the government knows how to spend your money better than you. Actually, it's the only thing that has ever worked. Problem is you don't get something for nothing. You trade pumping up the economy for increasing debt load.
The argument has always been "We'll pay it back when the economy is going good again.". Well, you see how that's worked out.... From Reagan on, we've done this, increase spending or cut taxes (and usually both) to "fix" recessions, but we've never ever made much effort to pay it off, we just have let it ride, let it ride, and it's grown larger and larger and larger.
Just paying interest is now costing the Government well over a 3rd of the total budget and soon will be half. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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