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Fox McCloud
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[Other] Gizmo5 PAP2T-NA

Ok, I ordered a PAP2T-NA a few days ago (hasn't arrived yet...probably Monday-Wednesday of next week)...that said, I'd like to know, in advance, what are the proper things to input for using this with Gizmo5's service.

I have no intentions of using Gizmo5 to ever dial out, I'm merely using it as a "go-between" for Grand Central to forward calls to.

kieranmullen
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kieranmullen

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In the softphone client press ** to get your 1747 number..

Have fun using all the sipbroker.com shared call in numbers...
»sipbroker.com/sipbroker/ ··· nNumbers
Call number then *747 1-747-XXXXX

Of course a call in number with Gizmo is only $35 a year and .02 for call out is not that much. Seeing that Gizmo has customizable voicemail, How are you using Grandcentral in the scheme?

My Asterisk Settings - Peer Details

username=1747XXXXXX
type=peer
secret=XXXXXX
insecure=very
host=proxy01.sipphone.com
dtmfmode=rfc2833
disallow=all
context=from-pstn
allow=ulaw&alaw&ilbc

Register String
1747XXXX:XXXX@proxy01.sipphone.com/1747XXXX

Fox McCloud
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I use a Grand Central dialer to call out....it gets forwarded to Gizmo, and I answer, then it attempts to connect me with the party I dialed with GC.

If people call my GC number, it gets forwarded to Gizmo, but if I don't answer, GC's voicemail picks it up.

again, I have no interest in Gizmo as far as calling out...it's merely a "go-between".

kieranmullen
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kieranmullen

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I just started playing with the backdoor calling through Gizmoproject.com That is free calling as well »gizmo5.com/pc/backdoor/

7 of the 8 Cell phone numbers I call were in there.

Fox McCloud
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that's nice, but again, you're not listening

I'm not interested in that.

and besides, if you look into the details of that, it's a different number for each person you call...not exactly conducive to easily calling people.

N9MD
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Gizmo5 Line 1 Settings for PAP2T-NA
Sip Port: any port from 5060-5099
Proxy: proxy01.sipphone.com Use Outbound Proxy: no
Outbound Proxy: leave blank Use OB Proxy in Dialog: no
Register: yes Make Call Without Reg: no
Register Expires: 60 Ans Call Without Reg: no
Use DNS SRV: no DNS SRV Auto Prefix: no
Proxy Fallback Intvl:3600 Proxy Redundancy Method: normal
Display Name: Your Name User ID: 1747####### (G5 ID)
Password: G5 Pswd Use Auth ID: yes
Auth ID: 1747#######
Preferred Codec: G711U
Use Pref Codec Only: no
DTMF TX: Auto
Dial Plan: ([2-9]xx[2-9]xxxxxx|011xx.|1[2-9]xx[2-9]xxxxxx)


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Default for all other settings on the Line 1 page.

Fox McCloud
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what, exactly is the "dial-plan" settings?

kieranmullen
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Sorry I was not answering you directly, I was just picking up the fact that you liked free calling. Backdoor calling does not have a different number for each numebr you call. You have to find out if you can call it and it is 0101 in front of the number you call BUT it does play an audio ad in the begining which is not so hot. :-(

Hopefully N9MD answered what you wanted directly using your Gizmonumber gained from the softphone **
said by Fox McCloud:

that's nice, but again, you're not listening

I'm not interested in that.

and besides, if you look into the details of that, it's a different number for each person you call...not exactly conducive to easily calling people.

Fox McCloud
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from my experience that's not correct; I back-door called 3 different cellphone numbers and each one had to call a different number back in order to call my Gizmo5 account.

kieranmullen
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It is not to place a call TO your Gizmo5 account. It is free calling FROM your account.
said by Fox McCloud:

"...a different number back in order to call my Gizmo5 account.

Fox McCloud
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you totally misunderstood what I was saying.

when you call someone via backdoor....and it rings someone's phone, it'll be one number (they can call you back by calling that particular number back). When you call a different number, it'll show up on their phone as a completely different number.

N9MD
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said by Fox McCloud:

what, exactly is the "dial-plan" settings?
The dial plan settings within any ATA (Analog Telephone Adapter) such as the PAP2 tell the device how to handle the numbers you dial when calling out. The one I showed is the standard plan for most routers. This can be modified for 10-digit (i.e., without the leading "1") or 7-digit (i.e., without the "1" & the area code) dialing, if your provider allows such dialing ... or it can be used to add prefixes to frequently dialed numbers ... or it can allow you to dial "411" resulting in redirection to one of the free "411" services such as 1-800-FREE111.

Meanwhile, Fox McCloud, apologies for saying that I don't understand your meaning either ... isn't backdoor dialing where Gizmo5 rings the number you entered and rings you number/phone at the exact same time once the other party answers. Why would they need to call your number back?

Since G5 is making the call for you, would it not make sense that they might transmit a different CID (Caller ID) --- one of theirs, not yours --- for your calls ... since you are not making the call directly through your adapter?

kieranmullen
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Hi, sorry if I was taking everything you said literally.

I think what you are trying to say is that when you use the backdoor to call different people the "Caller ID" is different every time you call someone. It is the issue that skype users face as well, but we will not talk about skype.

I understand that would be another issue along with the audio ad, but hey it is free right? I am not sure if the paid for caller ID at $4 per year fixes that issue or not. I have been using the paid services for about 3 years now.
said by Fox McCloud:

you totally misunderstood what I was saying.

when you call someone via backdoor....and it rings someone's phone, it'll be one number (they can call you back by calling that particular number back). When you call a different number, it'll show up on their phone as a completely different number.
PX Eliezer704
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said by N9MD:

Meanwhile, Fox McCloud, apologies for saying that I don't understand your meaning either ... isn't backdoor dialing where Gizmo5 rings the number you entered and rings you number/phone at the exact same time once the other party answers. Why would they need to call your number back?
No, that is not Gizmo5 backdoor calling. (You are thinking about a usage of GrandCentral and also a service called DukaDial).

Gizmo5 backdoor calling works for many US numbers, especially many cellphone and Voip numbers.

To check if a number you want to call if eligible:
»gizmo5.com/pc/backdoor/

If it is eligible, then on Gizmo5 you dial 0101 followed by the 10-digit number.

It goes through as a regular phone call, except that both parties hear a brief message "This is a free call from Gizmo5..."

But I just CANNOT understand this discussion about callbacks.

The service is a way to MAKE free calls, not to receive any calls.

When the calls are made, the other party will see a number that is usually from Oklahoma. It's what in the old days would be called a "trunk" number. It is not designed to receive incoming calls.

N9MD, you surprise me. I thought that as a gastroenterologist you knew all about going through the backdoor.

otty
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My understanding is that the number displayed to the person called via backdoor calling is different everytime so that there is not a single number you can gove out to these people to call you back on via the back door:

From the link above:

Two-way calling feature:
After calling a mobile or land line phone that's available for Backdoor Dialing using Gizmo5, the person you called can call you back directly on your computer anytime you're logged in to Gizmo5!

N9MD
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said by PX Eliezer704:

No, that is not Gizmo5 backdoor calling. (You are thinking about a usage of GrandCentral and also DukaDial).

Gizmo5 backdoor calling works for many US numbers, especially many cellphone and Voip numbers.

To check if a number you want to call if eligible:
»gizmo5.com/pc/backdoor/

If it is eligible, then on Gizmo5 you dial 0101 followed by the 10-digit number.

It goes through as a regular phone call, except that both parties hear a brief message "This is a free call from Gizmo5..."

But I just CANNOT understand this discussion about callbacks.

The service is a way to MAKE free calls, not to receive any calls.

When the calls are made, the other party will see a number that is usually from Oklahoma. It's what in the old days would be called a "trunk" number. It is not designed to receive incoming calls.

N9MD, you surprise me. I thought that as a gastroenterologist you knew about going through the backdoor.
Thanks, PX ... I had not used the G5 "colorectal dialing" feature ... even though I do have a G5 DID (what a surprise!). But I'm still confused as are you and kieran, apparently ... because I, too, did not consider this type of feature to require the called party to intiate a "callback". I thought it just connected (after the "advert" message).

We'll await clarification from Fox McCloud.

Fox McCloud
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said by otty:

My understanding is that the number displayed to the person called via backdoor calling is different everytime so that there is not a single number you can gove out to these people to call you back on via the back door:

From the link above:

Two-way calling feature:
After calling a mobile or land line phone that's available for Backdoor Dialing using Gizmo5, the person you called can call you back directly on your computer anytime you're logged in to Gizmo5!
he hit it on the head...the fact that the number is different each time (and can be in different states) is the primary reason I don't want to use it.

it's a fun thing to show friends, but overall, not useful for me in the long run.

N9MD
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said by Fox McCloud:

he hit it on the head...the fact that the number is different each time (and can be in different states) is the primary reason I don't want to use it.

it's a fun thing to show friends, but overall, not useful for me in the long run.
Ahhhhhh! Now I understand. And now I see why I never was overcome with a curiosity to try out this feature.
PX Eliezer704
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Otty, thanks for pointing that out.

The Gizmo5 site does indeed say:

"Additionally, once you call a number using the Backdoor Dialing program, the person you called can call you back directly on your computer, by simply dialing the Caller ID number they see when you called them. Their call will only cost the price of a local phone call and they'll be able to call you anytime you're logged into Gizmo5, on any computer, anywhere in the world!"

This may be new---I don't think that paragraph was there a while ago.

But it clearly does NOT work properly. Every time I have used the Gizmo5 backdoor dialing service, from my phone in NJ to other folks in NJ, the caller ID shown is from Oklahoma! So no way it's a local phone call for them to call back!!

It's far from the first thing on Gizmo5 that does not work properly!

But to MAKE calls, it's still useful, you just have to warn them in advance about the announcement.

kieranmullen
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It seems as if if you do purchase caller ID for $4 a year that it will indeed work for backdoor calling.
Gizmo Forum Index -> Backdoor Dialing
»forum.gizmo5.com/viewtop ··· p?t=8979
Reply by an admin...

It would be nice though for the $4 perhaps they could turn off that audio ad. Although I suppose it would not cover the bandwidth (cheap) & power servers etc to facilitate the service.

Fox McCloud
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I'll just stick with GC+Gizmo :P

now, if only there was a phone-plan out there that offered unlimited data-access for $5-10 a month....install some SIP software, configure it with Gizmo, and use your GC number for people to call ya...you'd have a really cheap mobile plan.

*shrug* that's probably the future...VoIP+data-based texting for mobile phones....it'd be really cheap, that's for sure.
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said by N9MD:
said by PX Eliezer704:

N9MD, you surprise me. I thought that as a gastroenterologist you knew about going through the backdoor.
Thanks, PX ... I had not used the G5 "colorectal dialing" feature ...
I thought the problem was due to your coke's formula that doesn't include viagra and cialis.
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said by PX Eliezer704:

The Gizmo5 site does indeed say:

"Additionally, once you call a number using the Backdoor Dialing program, the person you called can call you back directly on your computer, by simply dialing the Caller ID number they see when you called them. Their call will only cost the price of a local phone call and they'll be able to call you anytime you're logged into Gizmo5, on any computer, anywhere in the world!"

This may be new---I don't think that paragraph was there a while ago.
IIRC, when Gizmo5 VoIP Backdoor dialing just came out, I already saw the above paragraph you quoted from Gizmo5. The idea is so that the called party can reach you back through a CID left on their phone if the recipient wasn't there to answer the phone when you call.

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Ok, it's working...seems to work pretty good in conjunction with the dialer I have.

Just one issue (and one question).

When my phone rings, it's quite...erratic, it doesn't ring like it normally does, it's like it rings ok, then chokes out and is really choppy. Any ideas/Solutions?

Another problem is that I have 2 phones...a base unit and a satellite. When I receive a call the satellite rings, but the base unit does not..if I yank the battery out of the satellite, then the base unit functions as it should.....these are problems that have never existed before.

The third problem is that when I receive a call and answer it, depending on the phone that answer, it'll say "received call" on the phone I do not answer...I thought CID was supposed to be synchronized across the system?

The question I had is, will this service ever display names on my caller ID or just the phone number?
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Regarding your first two problems----

Log into the PAP2T control panel (webpage).

Select ADVANCED VIEW, then go to Regional.

Then go to section: "Ring and Call Waiting Tone Spec"

Write down the settings, in case you need to go back.

Try (if not already this way):

Waveform: Trapezoid
Voltage: 70
Ring Frequency: 20

And also try THIS way:

Waveform: Sinusoid
Voltage: 80
Ring Frequency: 25

Fox McCloud
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Ok, I read somewhere else that changing it form trapezoid to sinusoid may work...I tried that (left the voltage at 85 and the frequency a 20Hz) and it did the trick.

One question though, what's "synchronized ring" and "FXS Port Power Limit"?

I heard that you set the FXS port power limit to the amount of phones you're using that are plugged into a single port...I have 1, but am using two phones (one wirelessly connects to the base unit though)...so I take it I'd set this to 1?

What about the synchronized ring?

lastly, is it normal for the Internet light to periodically flash when I'm not talking and there is no incoming calls?
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Synchronized ring is as the name implies. So try it.

As for your other question---FXS port power limit---

»Re: SPA-1001 not ringing Cordless phone some times?

DogFace056
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Linksys out of some snafu set the wrong default ring voltage and frequency for North America. The correct settings are 90V and 20Hz (sinusoid). Some phones will work regardless, but others can be finicky. Some people will occasionally suggest setting it to trapezoidal, which is totally wrong for North American phones. A trapezoidal ring will contain more overtones, which sometimes tricks phones into ringing, but it's a very clumsy way to deal with an issue that's simply due to a wrong frequency/voltage setting.

Fox McCloud
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Thanks, DogFace05!

A few more questions for you;

what do you recommend setting the FXS port power to? Again, I have 1 base unit plugged directly into the adapter (it's also plugged into a power outlet, of course), and I have a satellite plugged into another power outlet...no phone line plugged into it.

Also, should I have the synchronized ring set to on or off?

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Just leave it at the default, which should be fine. This value is the REN (or Ringer Equivalence Number). Your phone or base unit should have a REN value stamped on it. The value corresponds to the relative power consumption of its ringer compared to an old standard bell phone (which would have a theoretical REN of 1), and is a measure of how many such phones can be rung simultaneoulsy by the unit. Most modern PSTN powered phones use far more efficient piezo-electric buzzers, and will have a REN of 0.1-0.3. For phone equipment powered from the mains, such as any cordless phone base, the REN is negligible, so you don't have to worry about this setting. Cordless handsets don't consume any power from the phone line, and thus have no relevance.

As for synchronized ring, unless you have a specialized need for it, it's a don't care setting.