Re: What time frame? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21849147 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:04:48 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:04:48 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21863869 funchords :
said by Tails See Profile :

I don't see why any household would need that kind of bandwidth.
Why would anyone need a processor faster than 4.77 MHz?
Why would anyone need more than 594 KB of memory?

Then we got faster processors, and more memory -- and the applications that used them.

said by Tails See Profile :

I could see 20/20 or 30/15 or even 30/30, but if you use more than the average home, then it might be best if you move up to the business account

I'm with you on this, but at the same time the world isn't perfect. ISPs want to be the gatekeepers, plain and simple, and if you want unfettered access to the internet, either you protest until you're blue in the face, build your own network (hardly possible), or pay more (which is probably what you will end up doing, sadly). :(
True -- or support all three.

There is NOTHING wrong with higher fees -- as long as a market is a healthy market, the prices will stay in line. But with these monopolies, we're simply at the mercy of a few despots or we do without.
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I'm with you on this, but at the same time the world isn't perfect. ISPs want to be the gatekeepers, plain and simple, and if you want unfettered access to the internet, either you protest until you're blue in the face, build your own network (hardly possible), or pay more (which is probably what you will end up doing, sadly). :(
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If you go back to your first post on this thread, that is why QOS does not make any difference and why 1Gbps (or a huge move in that direction) is usable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21861750 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:10:06 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21860379 Tails : As for that, I have no answer my friend. :)

I guess that is where you are screwed :(
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QOS just puts who goes first and how much. Again how does that help with bandwidth? Try running 4 HD streams on your 3 meg connection, it will be unwatchable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21859401 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:46:48 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21859394 KrK :
said by Eat Me See Profile :

Talk of 1GBps is nice, but what time frame?
Uh, they said.

By 2012 it will be complete.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21859394 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:34:15 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21856573 DavidHassel :
said by Eat Me See Profile :

I'm sure most residential ISPs will also put in their TOS the usual "no servers, no reselling" clause.

Even FiOS blocks port 80 unless you have static IP, and you can't resell a residential connection.

So you may be able to get away for a short while reselling but then they'll find out eventually, shut you down and/or sue you.
then don't charge rent for the server. charge rent for storage of data. call it consulting? it just seems like a waste of a perfectly good pipe if people are not able to use it to its full potential.

this is one of those subjects that really should be taken care of once and for all with some net neutrality. internet service should be transparent. as in i should never have to call them to unblock a frigin port. its the most rediculous thing i've ever heard of.

you'd have to be pretty silly to have a large server farm on a residential connection. i'd go the extra distance and get a business account if it would give me some guaranteed level of service (unlike most residential companies). although i don't see how a "business" account actually costs any more than a regular residential account. except for the different wording in the service agreeement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21856573 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:29:46 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21853729 Eat Me : I'm sure most residential ISPs will also put in their TOS the usual "no servers, no reselling" clause.

Even FiOS blocks port 80 unless you have static IP, and you can't resell a residential connection.

So you may be able to get away for a short while reselling but then they'll find out eventually, shut you down and/or sue you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21853729 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:38:56 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21853483 Tails : I was refering to this comment here:

"Now on top of that, add what was hinted at above about multiple users in one home. A lot of homes now have a computer for every member. Mom, Dad, Brother, and Sister all online a one time can bring your "average" 16Mbps connection to its knees pretty quick."

I don't know about you, but I used to have 4 people connected to a 3 meg down/ 384 kilobit up connection, and I was able to play online games like cz and cod4 with 70-80 ping while the rest of the family downloaded files or surfed the web.

EDIT: I have QoS enabled on my router, and throttle my own bandwidth so one app doesnt choke it out of sight.
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said by DavidHassel See Profile :

i'd run a webhosting business to be honest.
As long as you can get it done on a single IPv4 address, go nuts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21851241 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:15:09 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21850923 Matt :
said by Tails See Profile :

It's called QoS, and it works very well if you know how to use it ;)
QoS doesn't affect inbound bandwidth unless the ISP enables it. I'd also argue that it doesn't work very well for outbound bandwidth control at all.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21850923 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:20:10 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21850884 Lazlow : Josh

How does QoS change bandwidth? It does not. It just says who gets first in line. In the example I gave lets say that each individual is watching a different stream, how will QoS help?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21850884 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:15:13 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21850746 Tails : It's called QoS, and it works very well if you know how to use it ;)
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Lazlow's absolutely right. I may live alone, but I have computers for every room in the place! Imagine for a moment a "Tech Savvy" family! (pun intended)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21850706 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:44:55 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21850585 clandestin : 2012 is the date for VoIP...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21850585 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:24:18 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21850018 Karl Bode : Yeah I noticed that...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21850018 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:55:42 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849843 Eat Me :
said by iansltx See Profile :

2012.
The article contradicts itself. 2012 isn't 5 years away.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849843 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:27:53 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849668 Eat Me : If you wanted to run a hosting business, you can already get a fiber connection to do that, and a lot more than 1GBps actually.

In fact most of the hosting companies I deal with have multiple redundant connections peered to several different backbones.

If you think you're going to run web hosting off your home internet connection, unless it's just pics of the kids for grandma, you're f'ing nuts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849668 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:01:52 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849633 DavidHassel : i'm not going to host google mind you.

to be honest, i'd probably lean more towards hosting game servers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849633 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:55:02 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849614 Matt :
said by DavidHassel See Profile :

i'd run a webhosting business to be honest.
It's not the bandwidth that costs money. It's the power, power backup, cooling, and physical security that costs money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849614 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:52:23 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849590 DavidHassel : i'd run a webhosting business to be honest.
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said by Eat Me See Profile :

Talk of 1GBps is nice, but what time frame?
The article linked is your friend!

quote:
The plan calls for a total spending of 34.1 trillion won ($24.6 billion) over the next five years. The central government will put up 1.3 trillion won, with the remainder coming from private telecom operators. The project is expected to create 120,000 jobs.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849252 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:58:12 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849244 Karl Bode : By 2012.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849244 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:57:24 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849230 The Folsom : Well put. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849230 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:55:18 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849202 Lazlow : TSI

1gbps is only around 90MB/s (actual) or 125MB/s (theoretical). The newer (regular drives) now have a sustained throughput of 100MB/s with some of the high end drives hitting 250MB/s. Those are both in a non raid configurations. A lot of current motherboards come with built in raid capability so you can almost double those numbers when raid0 is used. Since most of the computers sold in the last few years have GigE Ethernet ports the can make good use of this kind of speed. I have set up a lot of households up with cat6 cable and GigE switches so that they would have this kind of speed in house, for all kinds of large file transfers.

Now on top of that, add what was hinted at above about multiple users in one home. A lot of homes now have a computer for every member. Mom, Dad, Brother, and Sister all online a one time can bring your "average" 16Mbps connection to its knees pretty quick.

All the above is just for today. Think about the bandwidth requirements that a household will have when the 1Gbps system is completed (3-5 years with luck?). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849202 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:50:49 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849187 funchords :
said by TSI Gabe See Profile :

Why the hell would you get 1gbps @ home when most computers out there can barely sustain it? Although I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to have :p
It's a fair question.

Because: the way that you support innovation is to get ahead of it.

Why does Intel and AMD put out processors BEFORE there are applications that need that much power?

The USA and Canada spent the 80s and 90s in leadership technology. Asia passed us in 2000 and this move by South Korea will help ensure that the USA and Canada will be chasing their taillights for decades to come.
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said by TSI Gabe See Profile :

Why the hell would you get 1gbps @ home when most computers out there can barely sustain it?
You're stuck in a "one computer" mindset. 1Gbps opens all sorts of possibilities for time shifting video and multiple people watching IP video streams, not to mention everything else we do these days.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849099 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:34:48 EDT Re: What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849084 TSI Gabe : Why the hell would you get 1gbps @ home when most computers out there can barely sustain it? Although I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to have :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849084 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:32:17 EDT What time frame? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849013 Eat Me : Talk of 1GBps is nice, but what time frame?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21849013 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:22:36 EDT