2 edits | Heavy populated areas that's how How many of you have been to South Korea? I much prefer to stay in the US and suffer from lower speeds than live in that country. I could surely bet that none of the farm areas in that country will see those type of services any time soon. I hate it when articles like that compare our country to countries the size of Texas. | |
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 | | Re: Heavy populated areas that's how 1 Gbps. to. the. home = just.sick.
Yet, here we are in the USA hoping that we might get DOCSIS 3.0 at 50 Mbps before 2011. | |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Cajun
While population density may explain why areas like New Mexico or South Dakota do not have widespread coverage of broadband, what about areas like St. Louis? St Louis is definitely a metropolitan area, yet 16Mbps is about the highest speed most areas see. Remember it is not the backbone going across the country that is slow, it is that last mile going to the home. | |
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 |  espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
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| Re: Heavy populated areas that's how said by Lazlow:While population density may explain why areas like New Mexico or South Dakota do not have widespread coverage of broadband, what about areas like St. Louis? St Louis is definitely a metropolitan area, yet 16Mbps is about the highest speed most areas see. I've been to St Louis many times -- the majority of the city is not multi-tenant buildings. | |
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: Heavy populated areas that's how While it was in the late 80's, I have been to Korea and a lot of it is not multi-tenant buildings either. | |
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| | | RayWPremium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | Re: Heavy populated areas that's how said by Lazlow:While it was in the late 80's, I have been to Korea and a lot of it is not multi-tenant buildings either. Here in America we dream of the house on 10 acres with a wooded lot and a stream. In Korea they dream of an apartment in a mega complex. You have to BUY the apartment before most places apparently start building it. I was over there in 2007 and several of the folks I worked with had already put down on the apartment in a complex that was not due to be built for a few years, which was when they would be retiring, so it worked out.
S. Korea today is not the same as the S. Korea of 1980. When we drove from Incheon into Seoul, we passed by miles of those mega-apartments. Then when we went south to where we did our work, we drove by big clusters of them with new ones being built alongside, like a cancer cell growing and multiplying in the valleys.
When we stayed in Chung-Ju, which is a big industrial city, our hotel was supposedly the best in town and supported a lot of foreign business people, but we had to use the manager's dial-up computer to do our email back home.
In Seosan we had high speed internet at the hotel we were in, 3 megs worth. The Tech Rep we worked with had dial up at home and 256K (as I recall) at work, kind of slow.
One thing S. Korea has over us is not having infrastructure that started out as local government systems and bought up piecemeal and tied together over many years, they are basically building from scratch and those mega-complexes make it easy. Plus they have a lot of internet cafes, and we do not.
Still, I do like visiting there, I like the food. Just do not want to live there in the housing that is the current rage.
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|  tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | precisely. This explains rural areas, but densely populated urban areas, ie Chicago, the entire core from Richmond, VA to Boston, MA, etc. could easily be much faster. | |
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| | | | Re: Heavy populated areas that's how Honestly we have bigger problems like the economy to be worried about 1GBps broadband. | |
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| | | tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
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Saint Louis, MO
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| Re: Heavy populated areas that's how said by fifty nine:Honestly we have bigger problems like the economy to be worried about 1GBps broadband. You don't think the internet increases productivity? Or that infrastructure upgrades could create jobs?
Spending money on internet infrastructure would be more economically prudent than what the $trillion bailout package is actually being spent on.
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| | | | | | Re: Heavy populated areas that's how No, the internet at workplaces actually decreases productivity. | |
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| Re: Heavy populated areas that's how said by fifty nine:No, the internet at workplaces actually decreases productivity. I guess that depends on how it's used then. I'd say productivity has been increased by entrepreneurs taking advantage of the internet.
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join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Eat Me
If internet in the workplaces was not to the businesses advantage, they would not be paying to provide it. Obviously the companies are getting value out of providing an internet connection to their employees. | |
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 morboComplete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000 | said by cajun4x4:How many of you have been to South Korea? I much prefer to stay in the US and suffer from lower speeds than live in that country. I could surely bet that none of the farm areas in that country will see those type of services any time soon. I hate it when articles like that compare our country to countries the size of Texas. your complaint would make sense IF we had similar speeds in the high density areas here in the U.S. the problem is, WE DON'T so there goes that argument. next? | |
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| | | Re: Heavy populated areas that's how said by morbo:said by cajun4x4:How many of you have been to South Korea? I much prefer to stay in the US and suffer from lower speeds than live in that country. I could surely bet that none of the farm areas in that country will see those type of services any time soon. I hate it when articles like that compare our country to countries the size of Texas. your complaint would make sense IF we had similar speeds in the high density areas here in the U.S. the problem is, WE DON'T so there goes that argument. next? I concur. If I had more selection than Comcast, Comcast, and more Comcast as an ISP in my area with more reasonable prices per megabit, maybe your argument would be valid. Considering that in the market of Baltimore, Maryland, I cannot even get Verizon, your argument is invalid. | |
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 e_dubfranknbeansPremium,VIP
join:2001-08-12
kickin ass
kudos:2 | said by cajun4x4:How many of you have been to South Korea? I much prefer to stay in the US and suffer from lower speeds than live in that country. I could surely bet that none of the farm areas in that country will see those type of services any time soon. I hate it when articles like that compare our country to countries the size of Texas. I've been there 3 times and it more broadband penetration than think. Majority of those remote farm areas have 10MB wireless. Some of these farms have cell/wireless towers on them which the providers pay leasing fees to the owners. Also free wireless broadband to the remote farm areas that provide goods to the government.
South Korea is about the size of Kentucky at 38,622 sq mi. Texas is 268,820 sq mi. and the ILEC's (AT&T & Verizon) are fighting over who can deliver 1/50 of what Korea is going to do.
Any company other than an ILEC or cable co will have a tough time trying to deliver speeds like these to a city, forget an area the size of a state. They'll find themselves wasting money in court because of these same ILEC/cable-co's.
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| | | Re: Heavy populated areas that's how said by e_dub:said by cajun4x4:How many of you have been to South Korea? I much prefer to stay in the US and suffer from lower speeds than live in that country. I could surely bet that none of the farm areas in that country will see those type of services any time soon. I hate it when articles like that compare our country to countries the size of Texas. I've been there 3 times and it more broadband penetration than think. Majority of those remote farm areas have 10MB wireless. Some of these farms have cell/wireless towers on them which the providers pay leasing fees to the owners. Also free wireless broadband to the remote farm areas that provide goods to the government. South Korea is about the size of Kentucky at 38,622 sq mi. Texas is 268,820 sq mi. and the ILEC's (AT&T & Verizon) are fighting over who can deliver 1/50 of what Korea is going to do. Any company other than an ILEC or cable co will have a tough time trying to deliver speeds like these to a city, forget an area the size of a state. They'll find themselves wasting money in court because of these same ILEC/cable-co's. Those same Incumbents who will likewise then be on Capitol Hill begging for money to continue to keep down the competition and their monopoly / duopoly status. | |
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| | espaethDigital PlumberPremium,MVM
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Minneapolis, MN
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| Re: Heavy populated areas that's how said by PapaMidnight:Those same Incumbents who will likewise then be on Capitol Hill begging for money to continue to keep down the competition and their monopoly / duopoly status. It's the duopoly that makes this work in South Korea, because the companies know they will get a return on their investment due to essentially forced subscription. Two companies (SK Group and KT Corp) make up 88% of the Internet access for the country. | |
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