Well, in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21866350 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:55:37 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:55:37 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21880056 jc100 : No according to me, terrorism is subjective. Depends on what side of the coin you are on. I am sure Iraqi's view us as the terrorists.

- Invaded their country
- Toppled their government
- Never once attacked us

Pretty much, we waltzed in and fucked up their joint. So yes, terrorism is quite subjective.

I'm sure if you ask Japanese who were forced into internment camps.. IE NAZI Concentration Camps.. except we just let them die of disease.. They'd call this an act of terrorism.

Or Ask the family of the vietnamese we slaughtered.

So you offer rhetoric. I offer truth. There's no conspiracy behind facts. Obviously, you're left with your version which is hyperbole, and mine, historical. I think i'll opt for one not conjured up by someone that lacks the common sense to analyze.

On that final Note. Blind patriotism and Nationalism (You're Bullshit), is what led to the Holocaust and Bosnia. People bad. We good. They die now for our cause.

Ah yes, nothing like the flag waving idiot to smile at his countries anthem while spilling the blood of others.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21880056 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:13:51 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879949 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Makes us the terrorist.
Yawn, thanks once again for showing us where you stand on the issues. Yes (according to you and the anti American conspiracy theorists), the United States is a terrorist state. Have fun with that outlook on life, I am sure it will get you far and earn you friends in all the "right places".
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879949 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:50:07 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879913 jc100 : LOL side I am on. What's that? The side of rational common sense and truth? Yea, damn me for bringing out the truth and pointing out the obvious. You don't like that you lack both. History speaks for itself. We're the aggressors in Iraq. We invaded them bud. They didn't come here. That would be Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Omen nationals for 9/11. Not a single Iraqi. We blew up the wrong country. Makes us the terrorist.

We persecuted the Japanese in Internment camps where thousands died. Gee, reminds me of the Nazis.

We massacred whole villages of civilians in Vietnam. Damn, wonder what that reminds me of.

All this in the last 60 yrs. Terrorism is subject.

Arguing with you is like arguing with the village idiot. At the end of the day, you feel just a dumb as the person you're speaking too.

Anyhow, Dosvedonya cyka.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879913 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:43:44 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879838 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Gee. terrorism is sooooooooooooooooo subjective now isn't it =). Guess it depends on what side of The coin you are on.
Yep, and its very clear which side you are on. I think we are done here. Its good that everyone can see your true colors, as most people would be embarrassed/ashamed to say the things you have in a public forum.

In closing, I would like to point out the following:
Я́блоко от я́блони недалеко́ па́дает
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879838 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:24:37 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879789 jc100 : Never claimed Gitmo was filled with Americans. Don't put words in my mouth for your gain. I said we have held American / Americans there. That's all I have ever claimed. I was right.

Freedom Fighters. Well Amigo Boy (yes yes we now it's you), there's no terrorist sympathizers. It's called being a human being. If you become the enemy you fight, why bother fighting. Matter of fact, if you want to argue terrorist, we are the aggressors right now in Iraq. Last I checked, Iraq never attacked us. We invaded them, toppled their government, destabilized their country. All over bad intelligence. Sounds like the U.S. fucked up ay? So should we start arresting ourselves for the consequential 1-200,000 people killed there as a result. What about Vietnam where we executed a village full of people? Or WW2 where we locked up Japanese in Internment camps?

Gee. terrorism is sooooooooooooooooo subjective now isn't it =). Guess it depends on what side of The coin you are on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879789 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:15:10 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879594 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Nothing you've said so far holds ANY WATER, TRUTH, or ACCURACY.
Yeah I guess you are right; Guantanamo is filled with American citizens. In fact, I now (after listening to you) believe that every person there must be both wrongly incarcerated and an American citizen! :p

You see, the world needs more terrorist sympathizers such as yourself. Those 'freedom fighters' are just misunderstood, right? A worldwide organization bent on the destruction of the United States (and other freedom loving countries) cant really be THAT bad, now can it?? :o
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879594 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:27:38 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879540 jc100 : Yes, ARE CURRENTLY. You are correct. But, THERE HAVE BEEN. I said before there have been American / Americans in Gitmo. That was my argument. I NEVER ONCE SAID ANY CURRENTLY RESIDE THERE. You are the one trying to look for an out so you can save face.

How wrong do you want to be.

Nothing you've said so far holds ANY WATER, TRUTH, or ACCURACY.

I proved you wrong that we:

Hold Genocidal Leaders, Mass Murderers, and the like up for trial... But if you are a Muslim and an "Enemy Combatant" you get no rights.... Yet Charles Taylor's son who tortured and murdered countless, has a nice trial in Florida.

I proved you wrong that We held American / Americans in Gitmo.

I Proved you wrong that Wiretapping everyone and "Keeping you safe" is a FARCE. Your chances of dying from NORMAL THINGS far outweigh some fabricated sky is falling argument.

Pretty much, I've systematically proven you wrong over and over. SO let's smile and realize you lack any bit of credibility. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879540 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:15:12 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879099 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

That WAS NOT WHAT YOU SAID.
HUH?? Thats exactly what I said, you just quoted me again! Learn to read man. I said there ARE no American citizens in Gitmo, and there arent.

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Take off your tinfoil hat and provide me with a single reputable reference that there are ANY American citizens in Guantanamo.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21879099 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 13:27:17 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877981 jc100 : That WAS NOT WHAT YOU SAID.

quote:
Take off your tinfoil hat and provide me with a single reputable reference that there are ANY American citizens in Guantanamo.


READ WHAT YOU WROTE. READ WHAT I SAID.

YOU = WRONG. YOU = EXTREMELY WRONG YOU = PROVEN WRONG

....... This is the Path you take for your walk of shame. You can't back peddle out of your own quote. Your quote said PROVE TO ME ANY AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE IN GITMO. I did. I showed you that we HAD ONE THERE. So he got moved. Big Deal. WE STILL HAD AN AMERICAN AT GITMO AT ONE POINT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME!!!!! I PROVED MY POINT.

No where in this conversation did I say we are CURRENTLY HOLDING ANY. I said there have been an American at GITMO Before. Which I substantiated. I know my facts. You don't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877981 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 07:28:53 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877195 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

DUDE............. HE WAS LOCKED UP AT GITMO.... IT SAID STRAIGHT IN THE FIRST SENTENCE.

Dude you're a new kind of stupid. Keep talking. Everyone reading this is going to agree.
They are going to agree that he was locked up in Gimto, and that he was subsequently transferred to the US as soon as they realized he was a US citizen. This simply further proves that they are NO Americans at the facility. I cant make this any easier for you, perhaps you can bow out gracefully before you dig yourself in deeper?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877195 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:08:35 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877185 jc100 : DUDE............. HE WAS LOCKED UP AT GITMO.... IT SAID STRAIGHT IN THE FIRST SENTENCE.

Dude you're a new kind of stupid. Keep talking. Everyone reading this is going to agree.

Whether or not they moved him is an ASIDE ISSUE> HE WAS LOCKED UP THERE. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

As per the prison itself, its a gross violation of Human rights.

Charles Taylors Son = Not American but we arrested him anyway and giving him a trial for War Crimes in Florida.

Nazis Not American -= Given Hague Trial

Milosevic Not American Given Hague trial

Whats the point? We give mass murders and genocidal lunatics trial but not some "Terrorist". Strange. Kill a few hundred thousand you're afford a court. Kill a few and you're an enemy combatant.

Tweedle Dumb is asking for Tweedle Dee.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877185 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:05:05 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877115 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

You in your own words said PROVE TO ME ONE AMERICAN who was at Guantanamo Bay.
Nope, in fact my exact quote was as follows:

said by wifi4milez :
Take off your tinfoil hat and provide me with a single reputable reference that there are ANY American citizens in Guantanamo.


You simply proved my point even further. Even when an American citizen is arrested for a horrible crime, he isnt allowed to be locked up it Gitmo. As soon as they found out who he was, he was moved to the US. Its not like he was running around the battlefield with an American flag in his hand, so naturally they needed to sort him out from the rest of the bunch. The rest of the vermin get to enjoy their stay however, as they dont have the privilege of being a US citizen.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877115 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:50:43 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877047 jc100 : Do you not read or are you just too fucking stupid to read?

A 22-year-old man believed to be a U.S. citizen has been identified among the detainees at the naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The first line man. THE VERY FIRST LINE. You in your own words said PROVE TO ME ONE AMERICAN who was at Guantanamo Bay. I JUST DID. It doesn't matter if they later moved him. HE WAD HELD THERE. SWISH.

Case and POINT. YOU ARE WRONG.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877047 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:35:34 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877008 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

»www.defenselink.mil/news/newsart···id=44193
Ok, lets review this one last time. You claim there are Americans in Guantanamo Bay, yet you (nor anyone else) can provide any proof. You repeatedly link to an article (from 2002 by the way) that indicates it had come to the attention of the US military that one person arrested might be a US citizen. As it turns out, he was! Shockingly, as soon as this information came to light he was immediately transferred and sent to a military prison here in the US (as he should being an American citizen).

quote:
He was initially detained at Camp X-Ray at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and was later transferred to military jails in Virginia and South Carolina after it became known that he was a U.S. citizen.


Another nice try! Keep 'em coming buddy.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21877008 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:26:31 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876956 jc100 : Think I just did for the 3rd time. Scroll back, click the pretty little blue thing, and open it up. It's a URL (Universal Resource Locator) that takes you to a nice page with something that

A) Says Military (.MIL)
B) Armed Forces Press Release
C) Department of Defense. I've shown you it numerous times bud.

New form of stupid HERE WE COME.

»www.defenselink.mil/news/newsart···id=44193

.... There... Can you utilize the mouse and the SINGLE BRAIN CELL left in your head long enough to click the link?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876956 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:15:06 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876948 jc100 : Let's see. Murder is Murder. Whether it be done via the guise of a government or through the actions of "non military fighters". It's all the same.. Heads of state, Hired Gun, etc. They all kill the same. So you proved my point

And now I am glad you see it for what it is. Yes, Genocidal murders do it to. Nazis Fled and Merged into the populations of Argentina, etc. Serbs did it to hide out. Charles Taylor's men did it too.

What's your point or do you lack one? Murder is still murder whether its through a car bomb, ak47, nuclear missle. it still kills

And once again.. you fail. Keep trying there. You'll look smart one day.

As for Gitmo, you're the person who says we should just lock people up. Good. I hope when you get pulled over or questioned, they lock you up for the hell of it. No charges, no explanation.

Your whiny ass would kick and scream pleading for MOMMY to get you out. We know. What a dunce. You would ask for a lawyer, beg for the American Civil Liberties Union, and all out pee your pants if some cop came and tossed you into a cell for a few years without charges.

So don't give me that shit bud. You are a bigger talker with no brains to back up anything you say. Intellectual dunce. Let me ask, you even completed High School or you flunk out of it? Someone of your caliber just amazes me. Future Career Goals for you:

Klan Member
Grease Monkey
Fast Food Worker.

All the above. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876948 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:13:39 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876788 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

So the Department of Defense Military Site and an American Armed Forces Press release are Conspiracy Theories.
Show me the article released by the DoD or any armed forces branch that states Americans are interned in Guantano Bay. Any article of your choice!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876788 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:36:33 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876783 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

We can put on trial people who commit worse crimes. Hell, we just tried Charles Taylor's Son for War Crimes in Liberia. We did so in Florida. Charles Taylor KILLED LOTS OF PEOPLE via Genocide.
Absolutely, Charles Taylor was a head of state and his actions represented that of his government. As such he was provided with the luxury of a trial. On the other hand, you have toothless cockroaches from all over the world scurrying around various warzones with AK47's, only to merge into the population when the heat comes down on them. Those people dont even have a country to speak of, let alone rights afforded a self respecting soldier. Get your head straightened out.

said by jc100 See Profile :

You know what. You're just a fucking bigot. See, we can put on trial EVERYONE ELSE but Muslims.
Once again, YOU are the one who brought religion into this. I even said Gitmo is an equal opportunity lock up facility! I can assure you that any Jew, Christian, Hindu, OR Muslim who is arrested illegally fighting a war against this country will get a one way ticket to that beach side paradise.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876783 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:35:24 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876775 jc100 : So the Department of Defense Military Site and an American Armed Forces Press release are Conspiracy Theories.

Dude I give up.

YOU ARE BEYOND INTELLECTUALLY DEFICIENT. You're a walking fucking MORON.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876775 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:33:28 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876752 jc100 : O now I know who you are. You are Amigo Boy. Freedom Fighers is his word. No wonder I am arguing with a complete and utter intellectually absent person. Ah yes... This makes all the sense.

Freedom Fighters... Funny. I guess Nazis were Ethnic Crusader and Milosevic was a Christian Hero?

Dude you just take stupid to a whole new level EVERY TIME YOU SPEAK.

We can put on trial people who commit worse crimes. Hell, we just tried Charles Taylor's Son for War Crimes in Liberia. We did so in Florida. Charles Taylor KILLED LOTS OF PEOPLE via Genocide. His son took an active part in torturing and murdering them.

Hitler Did the Same and exterminated 6 million Jews. We tried the Nazis. Ones we caught anyway.

Milosevic did the same. We tried those we caught in his regime, including him.

You know what. You're just a fucking bigot. See, we can put on trial EVERYONE ELSE but Muslims. For them it's "enemy combatant label". Yet, for others, they get their day in court. Listen, killing is killing. One or millions. If we can take the worst and put them on trial, we can take some punk ass terrorist and do the same.

No go back to your Klan rally. I hear you have a cross burning at 10.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876752 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:26:37 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876747 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Conspiracy theory? Are you seriously that fucking stupid?
Let me help you out. Here are a couple of other sites I suggest you visit.

»www.2spare.com/item_43133.aspx

»www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/···/st_best

»www.oddee.com/item_92285.aspx

Enjoy!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876747 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:24:12 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876741 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Yes, but when they are arrested they can only be held for X amount of time or let go. YOU CANNOT HOLD A PERSON INDEFINITELY WITHOUT CHARGES.
Absolutely correct, US citizens can not be held indefinitely without charge. Illegal combatants (you probably refer to them as 'Freedom Fighters' right? ;) ) arent afforded such luxuries here or anywhere else. Those vile killers are lucky they are offered the choice of life; in many countries they would be executed on the spot.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876741 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:22:10 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876735 jc100 : A 22-year-old man believed to be a U.S. citizen has been identified among the detainees at the naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Yasser Esam Hamdi surrendered to U.S. and friendly Afghan forces after a deadly four-day prison riot near Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan, in November 2001. The uprising was the same during which CIA officer Johnny Michael Spann was killed Nov. 25 and alleged American Taliban member John Walker Lindh was taken into custody.

Notice the PRETTY LITTLE TITLE ON TOP THAT SAYS DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. Notice the .MIL LINK. Military.

Here's the dead give away: American Forces Press Service

Here's the LINK.

»www.defenselink.mil/news/newsart···id=44193

Now go learn a thing or two. My god, PLEASE DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. You have just created a NEW FORM OF STUPID.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876735 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:21:16 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876731 jc100 : Great Point. I know my points are Great. I compared the U.S. to 40 Countries 1 by 1.

32 / 40 RATED LOWER THAN US.

Notice I listed EACH COUNTRY. I did not say EUROPE to North America. Europe is a Continent. You might not know that because school and you never got along. I'd be amazed if you graduated high school. So Europe in the sense of countries to the U.S. on a 1 to 1 ratio. YOU FAIL at your point, I am absolutely correct. MOST COUNTRIES IN EUROPE ARE FAR SAFER THAN THE U.S.

So what if crime rose?

In 2004 32 of the 40 countries were WELL BELOW US in murder standards. PROVEN WRONG.

No just admit it. You can't even argue properly. Now you're backed into a corner and got nothing to say.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876731 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:19:26 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876718 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

It's from the U.S. Department of Defense. Conspiracy theory? Are you seriously that fucking stupid? It's from the government's OWN WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feel free to post any US Government (or any government anywhere in the world) report that proves your point. Dont worry, we can all wait a while so start digging!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876718 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:16:17 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876712 jc100 : Yes, but when they are arrested they can only be held for X amount of time or let go. YOU CANNOT HOLD A PERSON INDEFINITELY WITHOUT CHARGES. I live on Planet Earth in the Country known as the U.S. where there's a constitution that says Fail Trial, Habeous Corpus, and a right to a fair and speedy trial. IE... Not holding someone for a year or 2 WITHOUT giving them their day in court in a timely manner. Where do you live? So far you're striking out.

I'd love for a copy to stop you and take you to prison for 2 years. Tell you wait here while we fill out the paperwork. Then 2 years later charge you with something. I'm sure your whiny self would be in court SUING and yelling to the American Civil Liberties Union to get you out. Punk ass kid. You're not even worth talking to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876712 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:14:21 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876710 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

EAST EUROPE in the report is 4 Countries!!!!!!!!!
Wow great point! However the United States is just one country so comparing it to four is pointless! Furthermore, the murder rate is just one component of violent crime. For instance, stabbings are exponentially higher in the UK and Ireland. In fact, according to the BBC violent crime in Ireland rose 131% in the year 2002 as compared to 1999. The bottom line is that the United States is one of the safest countries in the world, every statistic will confirm that. The crime rate has continued to go down in most major cities over the past decade, and national security has dramatically improved. Why dont you take a guess why? :p

»news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1760781.stm
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876710 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:14:06 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876706 jc100 : It's from the U.S. Department of Defense. Conspiracy theory? Are you seriously that fucking stupid? It's from the government's OWN WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876706 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:12:22 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876659 jc100 : EAST EUROPE in the report is 4 Countries!!!!!!!!!

I listed EVERY COUNTRY IN EUROPE with a lower rate than ours. According to Interpol, East Europe =

Belarus
Moldova
Russia
Ukraine

WOW 4 countries. There are 32 in the ENTIRE EUROPE THAT ARE LOWER THAN OURS and 7 or 8 (Depending if Russia is included) that are higher.

Do you bother reading or just like selectively looking for numbers on a LIMITED data spread to TRY AND LOOK INTELLIGENT

Failing at failing. You put a WHOLE NEW MEANING to this sentence.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876659 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:01:26 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876575 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Failing at Failing. What a NOVEL IDEA. 1995 IS OLD DATA. Here's numbers from interpol in 2004. There are other numbers I found on the web. However, let's use these as a baseline.
You never cease to amaze me. Do you even look at the links before you post them???

said by jc100's 'data' attempting to disprove me (but failing as usual!) :
Homicide rates per 100,000 population by region and subregion, 2004

-North America, 6.6
-East Europe, 8.1
-West and Central Europe, 1.5


Hence, reviewing the data indicates that Eastern and Western Europe together yield a murder rate of 9.6 per 100,000 (8.1 + 1.5). Thats a full 31% higher than it is in North America! This is getting old, isnt it past your bedtime?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876575 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:41:27 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876533 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

A 22-year-old man believed to be a U.S. citizen has been identified among the detainees at the naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
HAHAHAH ok conspiracy theory nutjub. Take off your tinfoil hat and provide me with a single reputable reference that there are ANY American citizens in Guantanamo. Go ahead, I double dog dare you!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876533 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:31:59 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876525 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Um... Jose Padilla WAS ONLY TRIED and SENTENCED as a way of the Bush administration to TRY TO AVOID a Supreme Court show Down.
Whats your point? By your own admission, he was tried and sentenced. Furthermore, he was never sent to Guantanamo. Lastly, you clearly have no idea how the criminal justice system works. Thousands of people each year are arrested on charges they are not later charged with, what planet do you live on???
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876525 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:29:51 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876521 jc100 : Failing at Failing. What a NOVEL IDEA. 1995 IS OLD DATA. Here's numbers from interpol in 2004. There are other numbers I found on the web. However, let's use these as a baseline. Much newer than 1995

»www.unodc.org/documents/data-and···2009.pdf

Notice the U.S. has a low rate of 5.6 and high of 5.9 per 100,000. JUST ABOUT EVERY COUNTRY in Europe is BELOW OUR MURDER RATE. So obviously, your old statistics are just PLAIN WRONG. You need to stand correct. Now, if you want to use your INFAMOUS WIKIPEDIA as a source, here are more detailed stats. Less verified I imagine.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co···der_rate

U.S. based off these stats 5.6 to 5.7

Countries LESS than U.S.

Norway
Greece
Denmark
Austria
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Germany
Iceland
Italy
England / Wales
Slovenia
Belgium
France
Poland
Cyprus
Malta
Ireland
Portugal
Croatia
United Kingdom
Hungary
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Macedonia
Sweden
Romania
Scotland
Finland
Switzerland
Bulgaria
Spain
Albania

Countries HIGHER THAN THE U.S.

Georgia
Moldova
Estonia
Ukraine
Belarus
Latvia
Lithuania

and

Russia which isn't apart of Europe depending on ones argument

7-8 Countries are HIGHER than the U.S.
32 Lower

So do you wish to take the HORRIBLE WALK OF SHAME to PROVED WRONGVILLE.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876521 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:28:59 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876411 jc100 : Yes.. We caught MANY of the Nazi Conspirators and put them on trial in the Hague. We also had Milosevic and Radivik (spelling) on trial there too. Justice isn't perfect. People run from it all the time. So what's your point? We haven't caught Osama Bin Ladin. The Powerless poster child of Al Qaeda. Like capturing him will suddenly end the group? Listen smart one, people elude justice. It's a part of life. However, when captured, you send them through the system. We did it to the Nazis, The Serbs, and we can do it for these guys who PALE in comparison. Hitler killed 6 million with the Nazis. Milosevic 200,000. These guys are boy scouts when compared.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876411 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:02:24 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876404 jc100 : A 22-year-old man believed to be a U.S. citizen has been identified among the detainees at the naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Yasser Esam Hamdi surrendered to U.S. and friendly Afghan forces after a deadly four-day prison riot near Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan, in November 2001. The uprising was the same during which CIA officer Johnny Michael Spann was killed Nov. 25 and alleged American Taliban member John Walker Lindh was taken into custody.

FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL X2

»www.defenselink.mil/news/newsart···id=44193]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876404 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:00:23 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876387 jc100 : Um... Jose Padilla WAS ONLY TRIED and SENTENCED as a way of the Bush administration to TRY TO AVOID a Supreme Court show Down. Guess what. It still happened. A conservative Supreme Court RULED AGAINST BUSH in a 5-4 decision stating charges HAD TO BE BROUGHT AGAINST Prisoners. So yes, you are WRONG. So that led to those SHAM MILITARY TRIALS where beaten confessions were used. Obama is suspending these trials now. Good for him. Torture is NOT A MEANS to convict someone. Let me take a baseball bat and break your legs. Let's see what you admit to.

"Bush ordered Padilla held in a military prison and the administration accused him of plotting to set off a radioactive "dirty bomb" in the United States. Padilla was never charged with that. While a challenge to Bush's authority to hold him without charge was pending in the U.S. Supreme Court, Padilla was indicted in Florida and transferred to civilian custody last year."

EPIC FAIL

»abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/SCOTUS/sto···=5048935
»www.reuters.com/article/latestCr···22530850]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876387 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:56:40 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876277 wifi4milez :
said by patcat88 See Profile :

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_···risoner)
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh
Try again, using your own reference anyone can find out the following. Regarding Jose Padilla;
said by patcat's wikipedia reference :
Padilla is serving his sentence at the Charleston,(SC) Naval Weapons Station Brig.

I wouldnt call a Naval base a "terrorism" prison run by the CIA.

As for your other reference, that one is even weaker;
said by patcat's wikipedia reference :
In January 2003, Lindh was sent to a medium-security prison in Victorville, northeast of Los Angeles.

If you seriously are going to argue that a medium security prison outside of LOS ANGELES is a 'secret terrorism' prison then there is no part in arguing with you further.
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»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21876250 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:25:53 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21873578 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Um you're just hilarious. If you outlaw guns, knives, and deadly weapons.. you basically have Europe. A continent with a VERY LOW MURDER RATE and CRIME RATE in many of it's countries.
Once again it appears (for you at least) as if ignorance is bliss.

said by Interpol crime statistics (violent crimes including murder) for 1995 :
(rate per 100,000):

5278 - US
8179 - Germany
6316 - France
7206 - England & Wales

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21873578 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:46:05 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21873517 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Strange.

Jose Padilla, and a few others were American Citizens held as enemy combatants without charges.
Ignorance again! I love it.

quote:
On August 16, 2007, José Padilla was found guilty, by a federal jury, of charges against him that he conspired to kill people in an overseas jihad and to fund and support overseas terrorism. He was widely described in media as a suspect of planning to build and explode a "dirty bomb" in the United States, but he was not convicted on this charge.

On January 22, 2008, Padilla was sentenced by Judge Marcia G. Cooke of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida to 17 years and four months in prison.


Now unless I am misreading that, it sure sounds like he was tried, convicted, and sentenced due to his crimes. Not entirely sure where you came up with your theories however....

said by jc100 See Profile :

P.S. Why bother sticking Timothy McVeigh in a U.S. Court. Seems we toss US Citizens in Gitmo.
We do? Name one!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21873517 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:36:16 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21873483 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Um... we locked up Americans there too smart one.
Name one. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21873483 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:31:39 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21872577 asellus :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Ya, it's called War. We have captured some of the WORST GENOCIDAL PEOPLE in history and gave them fair trials. You know why? Civilized people don't stoop to the level of the criminals they go after. Maybe you do, because you aren't civilized. Normal human beings still believe in courts. We gave the Nazis who massacred 6 million a Trial. We gave Milosevic a trial after his forces were responsible for MASSACRING 200,000 Muslim Boys and Men.

Guess what? It doesn't matter the crime. If you don't want to deal with the headache, send them to the Hague. There are international courts for a reason.

Ah yes... fail fail o so fail.
What, America has put some of WORST GENOCIDAL PEOPLE on trial? Did you read you history book? The amount of Nazi Germany scientists and Japanese ones too that escaped trial during the aftermath of World War 2 was staggering. If you read book others than your history book, you know you are DEAD WRONG!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21872577 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:06:27 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21872557 asellus : Europe, a continent with VERY LOW MURDER RATE and CRIME RATE?

Yeah, right!

I presume that you are American to say things like that, because if you are an European like me (although I am now in Asia) you would know that this isn't true. maybe yes in Scandinavian countries but not in your usual Western Europe countries.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21872557 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:02:34 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21871092 jc100 : Ya, it's called War. We have captured some of the WORST GENOCIDAL PEOPLE in history and gave them fair trials. You know why? Civilized people don't stoop to the level of the criminals they go after. Maybe you do, because you aren't civilized. Normal human beings still believe in courts. We gave the Nazis who massacred 6 million a Trial. We gave Milosevic a trial after his forces were responsible for MASSACRING 200,000 Muslim Boys and Men.

Guess what? It doesn't matter the crime. If you don't want to deal with the headache, send them to the Hague. There are international courts for a reason.

Ah yes... fail fail o so fail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21871092 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:02:33 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21871081 jc100 : Um... we locked up Americans there too smart one. And the EPIC fail award goes to WIFI. See post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21871081 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:00:12 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21871062 jc100 : Strange.

Jose Padilla, and a few others were American Citizens held as enemy combatants without charges. What you don't seem to get bud is you CANNOT HOLD PEOPLE INDEFINITELY, Torture them, and use coerced confessions as hard evidence and fact. Most of what gets said is beaten confessions that ANYONE WOULD say just to make it stop. I am sure if I took a baseball bat and beat you senseless, you'd admit to whatever I wanted to hear, just to make me quit. See that logic? Probably not, you're not the brightest bulb. Anyway, enemy combatant is a sham. Give people a trial. If you can't hold them accountable here. Send them to the Hague for an international Trial.

We gave Hitler and the Nazis a Trial. They killed 6 million. We gave the Christian Murders known as the Bosnian Serbs a Trial for MASSACRING 200,000 Muslim Boys and Men in Serbia at the Hague. So we can do the same to some punk ass terrorists.

AH yes, logic wins again.

P.S. Why bother sticking Timothy McVeigh in a U.S. Court. Seems we toss US Citizens in Gitmo. As I said before, lets just beat ALL ACCUSED PEOPLE in the U.S. Think of it like this. If we BEAT a confession out of people, it'll save tax payers COUNTLESS dollars on going to court. Screw justice. Screw fair trial. Screw taking the high road. I say we toss Timothy Mcveigh and all criminals into jail once accused. NO trial. Only forced confessions. Justice is overrated.... In case you didn't get this part of my rant, its called sarcasm pandering to your idiotic statements.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21871062 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:56:28 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21871035 jc100 : Um you're just hilarious. If you outlaw guns, knives, and deadly weapons.. you basically have Europe. A continent with a VERY LOW MURDER RATE and CRIME RATE in many of it's countries. Strange huh. People learn not to kill one another. As for outlaws having guns, that's why you make it a stiff ass penalty to own one. Caught not turning in your gun, it's life imprisonment. Let's see how well that bodes for people having them =).

Not that I believe we should take away guns.. but you're logic is so far fetched and IGNORANT it isn't funny.

............. And now you FINALLY GET IT through your head. YOU ARE NEVER SAFE IN LIFE. No matter what you do, there is risk. Finally, it sinks in. So what you are saying and finally agree with me, is you have to take a risk to live life. Do you want the government STEPPING IN EVERY ASPECT of your life, to try to keep you safe. You seem to think they should. Terrorism is a MINOR THING in the over all scheme. It has happened MORE AT THE HANDS of ordinary Americans than by foreigners. So what do you suggest. We go on a wild goose chase? Obviously, that doesn't work. We've had 6 or 7 school shootings since 2001. Those are acts of terrorism by all definition. Some kid with his fucked up ideology grabs a gun, wants to prove to the world something, and goes on a shooting spree. His motive? To instill terror, fear, and incite violence to make others modify their way of life. That's the whole definition of terrorism. It's not how many you kill, but the lasting changes you force because of your actions. So what will your NSA wiretapping do to stop that? o wait, nothing. We've prob had 20 or 30 school shootings in a decade. So how come those are still happening? Listen, you won't EVER UNDERSTAND but you stepping foot outside is a risk. Live life, and go about your normal routine. If you want to remain safe, build a padded room and never leave home.

Otherwise, recognize you don't need Big Brother in your life. The odds a terrorist get you are FAR OUTNUMBERED by the fact you could walk down the street and get hit by a car, murdered, or die in a traffic accident.

That's the whole point. You finally just proved what I have been saying ALL ALONG to be true. Now to see if ytou ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THIS SENTENCE.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21871035 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:49:40 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21870092 wifi4milez :
said by patcat88 See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Once again your ignorance shines through. Guantanamo Bay is a facility for illegal enemy combatants, not US citizens! As for Timothy McVeigh 'types', they would be incarcerated in US prisons (as they should).
Now what about all the US citizens in other "terrorism" prisons run by the CIA?
Such as?
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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

Once again your ignorance shines through. Guantanamo Bay is a facility for illegal enemy combatants, not US citizens! As for Timothy McVeigh 'types', they would be incarcerated in US prisons (as they should).
Now what about all the US citizens in other "terrorism" prisons run by the CIA?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21870065 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:06:07 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21870038 patcat88 :
said by TwoCpus4me See Profile :

or create web pages where its not safe to move your mouse anywhere for fear of your PC speakers cranking up to tell you the latest designer drug is available to prevent that 4-hour problem.
First its a problem to get it up, now its a problem to get it down? What has the world come to?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21870038 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:57:38 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21869723 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

We know what you are referring to. You said Gitmo.
You know nothing, certainly not what I was referring to. Gitmo is an equal opportunity lock up facility. Any illegal combatant, from any country, of any religion, is eligible for a stay there. If you are not an American citizen, and you are caught fighting our forces, count on getting a suntan in Cuba.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21869723 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:05:07 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21869682 wifi4milez :
said by TheWickerMan See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

3) Waterboard the heck out of those we have captured to get information that will save American lives.
Until you f**k up and grab someone who's completely innocent, and that person makes up some bogus info just to get the torture to stop.
If you capture an illegal fighter with an AK47 on the battlefield, there is no way he is innocent. If you raid a suspected terrorist camp and you find people with bomb making materials and more AK47s, there is no way they are innocent. If you arrest a man with a bomb strapped to his chest as he attempts to enter a house of worship, there is no way he is innocent. All the filthy inhuman cockroaches I just mentioned deserve to have far worse than waterboarding done to them, and they are lucky that instead of being killed on site (preferably in the most painful way possible) they get an all expense paid vacation to sunny Camp Gitmo.

What some people seem to (quickly) forget is how humanely we treat these animals. Most other countries wouldnt be nearly as nice, and thats an understatement.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21869682 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:58:16 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21869626 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

We know what you are referring to. You said Gitmo. I don't see many Timothy McVeigh types there.
Once again your ignorance shines through. Guantanamo Bay is a facility for illegal enemy combatants, not US citizens! As for Timothy McVeigh 'types', they would be incarcerated in US prisons (as they should).
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21869626 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:47:04 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21869529 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

No Preventing murder and car accidents is NOT IMPOSSIBLE. You don't read well, do you.

Outlaw Guns
Outlaw Knives
Outlaw anything that can be construed as a weapon
Your comments are getting dumber as this discussion progresses. If you take away knives and guns people will resort to using sticks or broken glass to fight/hurt others. It has been shown time and time again that outlawing guns has no effect on safety. A wise man once said:

"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"

Ponder that while you attempt to come up with your next inane statement.

said by jc100 See Profile :

Outlaw Driving

No more 40,000 a yr fatalities in car wrecks.
Another classically cliched statement! Lets examine why thats just not true. If millions of people stopped having access to cars, how would they get around? Assuming they all took buses, you would see bus fatalities increase dramatically! Assuming they all walked, the influx of millions of addition people onto the roadways would cause an increase in trampling related fatalities! You see, your simple minded comparisons dont stack up with reality.


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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21869529 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 18:34:05 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21869280 jc100 : Let's see. Logic 101:

Terrorism Does not happen every Day.
Terrorism in the U.S. has killed 3000 people, one time. 2001.
Terrorism can be argued to not just be a massive attack and there by making the above not true.

See this is where it gets trick. I can argue a School shooting is terrorism. After all, Kid with gun goes in for an ideological reason, to cause fear and harm others en masses. By all definitions, that's terrorism. So if you want to go on that ground, we've had about 5 or 6 TERRORIST attacks on American Soil by our own hands.

Now that also applies to work place shooting. The minute said Nutjob comes in wielding a gun to kill many, you have the rudimentary definition of terrorism.

On a Grander scale, Timothy McVeigh, Unibomber, Eco Terrorism, etc are American style acts that more closely fit the bill.

So in close summation. We've had World Trade center #1 which killed like 8 people in the 1990s and Sept 11th that killed 3000.

On the flip Side we've had all those ones I listed above by Americans. NSA wiretapping is going to solve those events how?

Best yet, I hope this systematic and timely explanation sinks in. Why do you want big brother in your life. Is the government's job to keep you safe?

If so. Outlaw cares. Save 40,000 People's lives a year. If no cars, then people can't die in Automobile Wrecks. If no weapons, people can't go on shooting sprees and murders. Hard as hell to kill 20 people with your fists or a heavy stick. Hell, outlaw guns and knives, bows, and anything deadly. Watch how quickly murder takes a plunge. After all, you want the government to do everything for you. So on your rationale, it's their job to keep you safe at ALL COST.

Turn in your car keys, weapons, kitchenware, etc. Big brother promises you safety!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21869280 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:50:38 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868671 S_engineer : Execution is cheaper! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868671 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:18:28 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868654 TheWickerMan :
said by jjjj55555 :

People conveniently forget that we were attacked under GWB.
They like to say "but but, we've been safe for 8 years."
Well guess what, Bush knew it was coming and did NOTHING!
Condi: "I believe the title of the memo was "OBL Determined to Attack Inside US."
:mad:
Exactly.

As far as us being "safe" since then, I think that's in spite of him, not because of him.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868654 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:15:57 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868632 TheWickerMan : Damn. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868632 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:14:13 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868036 anon : People conveniently forget that we were attacked under GWB.
They like to say "but but, we've been safe for 8 years."
Well guess what, Bush knew it was coming and did NOTHING!
Condi: "I believe the title of the memo was "OBL Determined to Attack Inside US."
:mad:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868036 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:47:21 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868261 jc100 : Well yours is the copy of the original. There is only ONE TRUE MAGIC rock. Yours is less shiny and powerful. While it might work on limited circumstances, only my rock is guaranteed to ward off evil spirits, tigers, terrorists, monkeys, and dinosaurs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868261 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:20:59 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868183 TheWickerMan :
said by jc100 See Profile :

My magic rock stops terrorism. I do not know anyone who has been a victim of it. Matter of fact, I will sell you this rock. It wards of tigers too. I haven't seen a tiger in the U.S. before but I swear, this rock will keep you safe.
Hey, that's my magic rock! I don't remember selling it to you! :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868183 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:08:11 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868176 TheWickerMan :
said by wifi4milez See Profile :

3) Waterboard the heck out of those we have captured to get information that will save American lives.
Until you f**k up and grab someone who's completely innocent, and that person makes up some bogus info just to get the torture to stop.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21868176 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:06:51 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867760 jc100 : We know what you are referring to. You said Gitmo. I don't see many Timothy McVeigh types there. American Terrorist have caused more acts on U.S. soil than foreigners. How about instead of a justice system, we just beat confessions out of people. Sure save tax payers a HELL OF A LOT OF MONEY if we just beat people into admitting things. Screw the courts. After all, Americans got locked up in Gitmo too. Why not just get forced confessions, throw away the key, and consider it a job well done. I say we start with you. How about a little torture to admitting a heinous crime so you can get locked away in jail for years and years? Sound good?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867760 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:59:04 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867754 jc100 : No Preventing murder and car accidents is NOT IMPOSSIBLE. You don't read well, do you.

Outlaw Guns
Outlaw Knives
Outlaw anything that can be construed as a weapon

Murder might not be eliminated but it damn well will be decreased.

Outlaw Driving

No more 40,000 a yr fatalities in car wrecks.

Simple ay? As for terrorism. It didn't stop Timothy Mcveigh. It didnt stop the unibomber. It didnt stop Anthrax Mailer. You can use any type of FORCED / Coerced method you want. All studies show, people will say anything under such circumstances. I am sure if I was breaking the bones in your body, you'd tell me you were a skirt wearing cross dresser who molested kids on your spare time. Should I yield that information credible. You admitted to it under duress. But hey, you said it right.

Once again FAILED LOGIC and FAILED THINKING on your part. On your basis, we should use ALL MEANS POSSIBLE to be kept safe. As a retort, OUTLAW GUNS, WEAPONS, and CARS. Then you can prevent 50-60,000 deaths a year. If one cant drive. One cant die in a motor vehicle accident. If one does not have weapons, it sure becomes hard to shoot a school full of kids or go on a mass murdering spree with your fist.

How about it bud? Outlaw everything. It works right? On your basis, the government should be big brother. How about this one. You move to the MOST REPRESSIVE COUNTRY since you feel this way and tell me how safe you feel. I hear China, Russia, Iran have openings for new citizens. You after all want someone else to be your watch dog. So how about that first plane ride to renouncing your citizenship and proving us how living life under a repressive regime feels. They keep you safe, so you shouldn't mind the lack of freedoms.

Ignorance bud..you just amaze me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867754 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:57:13 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867561 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

None of those were Muslims bud. Guess locking people up based on a religion doesn't solve anything.
I never once mentioned religion 'bud'. OOPS :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867561 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:23:22 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867545 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

Blah Blah Blah
Yawn, you still dont seem to get it. Sure, you can toss around the cliched rhetoric as much as you want, however it still doesnt quite add up. Preventing murder is impossible. Preventing car accidents is impossible. However, preventing terrorism IS largely possible! While nothing is ever 100%, by following the simple few steps this government can help keep this country secure.

1) Use every resource at hand to infiltrate terror cells and gather intelligence

2) Kill as many terrorist as possible

3) Waterboard the heck out of those we have captured to get information that will save American lives.

4) Coordinate and share intelligence with other 'like minded' countries in the world who also value the lives of their citizens

5) Wash, rinse, repeat until the vermin have been eradicated from the earth
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867545 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:20:30 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867499 jc100 : No you fail again. You are arguing the fundamentals of murder. Murders can just occur or be planned. Mass murders such as school shootings are often planned. Car accidents usually are as the name says, a mistake. Still, one can prevent either from EVER HAPPENING.

- Outlaw Guns
- Outlaw Knives
- Outlaw anything deemed a weapon

Murder is lessened and decreases significantly

Outlaw Driving

- 40,000 Lives saved a year.

See, the government can play big brother and we can all live safe and sound in a paddy room?

As for Terrorism being stopped by gitmo. My magic rock stops terrorism. I do not know anyone who has been a victim of it. Matter of fact, I will sell you this rock. It wards of tigers too. I haven't seen a tiger in the U.S. before but I swear, this rock will keep you safe. Stupid logic ay? Same as above, you can take preventative measures, but there's a fine line between prevention and insanity. The government could outlaw ALL THINGS dangerous, OUTLAW DRIVING, and big brother the hell out of our lives. If thats the kind of repression you want, you should be living elsewhere. I on the other hand am a grown adult. I would rather look after my own affairs and not have the government do it.

If you for one minute believe NSA spying and Gitmo keeps us safe, you're naive. If anything, it serves as a rallying point for MORE TERRORISM. Look what happens when they capture you. Better to die, than end up in that joint. As per the loss leader of no attacks in 8 years. Terrorism happens every day in America right? Even before the NSA wiretapping. Damn, i can't flip on the news and recall not seeing a moments notice without it.

Then again

Timothy McVeigh
Unibomber
Abortion Clinic Bombers
Eco Terrorism
1970s Radical Bombings
Anthrax Mailers

None of those were Muslims bud. Guess locking people up based on a religion doesn't solve anything. Just makes those that still believes such a system works LOOK KIND OF NAIVE.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867499 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:13:49 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867281 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

It's not the basis behind murders I am arguing, but the fact they occur.
Sure it is, thats exactly what you are arguing. I think you have even confused yourself this time! Let me explain why that statement is even dumber than your first. Terrorism doesnt just "occur", murder does. Car crashes also just "occur" by accident, nothing preventable about them. Terrorism on the other hand IS preventable by utilizing extensive intelligence gathering and a little vacation for those caught to club Gitmo'. This country has been safe for the past 8 years directly due to the work of our intelligence and military services, that is undeniable.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21867281 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:36:22 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21866811 jc100 : EPIC FAIL. It's called logic wifi. Use it.

It's not the basis behind murders I am arguing, but the fact they occur. One can take the logic that since we allow deadly weapons (Guns, Knives, etc) in this country, that we facilitate the act of murder. Outlaw all deadly weapons and it won't happen. The same failed logic of spying on everyone and terrorism won't happen. It's a failed thought process absent of reason and logic.

Same for driving. Let's remove cars off the road and outlaw driving. We'll save 40,000 lives a year.

Understand?... For some you just got to spell it out. Sigh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21866811 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:13:37 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21866774 wifi4milez :
said by jc100 See Profile :

America has 16-22,000 Murders a year in this country. 128-176,000 Died in those 8 years by the hands of other Americans in same time period. 40,000 people die in Automobile accidents a year. 3000 Died in 911. By your logic, we should outlaw all deadly weapons (guns, knives, and anything harmful) and ban cars. Scary things in the world. Let the government make us all "safe" right?....Sure bud, I got a bridge to sell you if you still believe this terrorism crap as a means of Big Brother.
You never fail to crack me up. Most murders in this country are not premeditated, certainly not months/years in advance (so surveillance wouldnt be useful). Car crashes are not premeditated. Terrorist attacks ARE premeditated.

Only one of the above three can be stopped with careful use of intelligence, can your simple mind sort out which one it is?

(HINT) Its not the first two! ;)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21866774 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:06:05 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21866519 jc100 : A) That's called Spyware. Not the ISP doing. All ISPS do is use redirects for mistyped URLS. Maybe understand the system before you type.

B) America has 16-22,000 Murders a year in this country. 128-176,000 Died in those 8 years by the hands of other Americans in same time period. 40,000 people die in Automobile accidents a year. 3000 Died in 911. By your logic, we should outlaw all deadly weapons (guns, knives, and anything harmful) and ban cars. Scary things in the world. Let the government make us all "safe" right?....Sure bud, I got a bridge to sell you if you still believe this terrorism crap as a means of Big Brother.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21866519 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:17:42 EDT Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21866350 TwoCpus4me : NSA doesn't bombard me with advertisements and pops ups and flying windows or create web pages where its not safe to move your mouse anywhere for fear of your PC speakers cranking up to tell you the latest designer drug is available to prevent that 4-hour problem.

Personally, I'm glad they're (NSA) watching. There's a lot of crazy-a$$ people out there that might need a 2nd look.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21866350 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:44:38 EDT