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Topic 'Re: Well,' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21866350 en Wed, 22 May 2013 19:21:37 EDT Wed, 22 May 2013 19:21:37 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21880056
- Invaded their country
- Toppled their government
- Never once attacked us

Pretty much, we waltzed in and fucked up their joint. So yes, terrorism is quite subjective.

I'm sure if you ask Japanese who were forced into internment camps.. IE NAZI Concentration Camps.. except we just let them die of disease.. They'd call this an act of terrorism.

Or Ask the family of the vietnamese we slaughtered.

So you offer rhetoric. I offer truth. There's no conspiracy behind facts. Obviously, you're left with your version which is hyperbole, and mine, historical. I think i'll opt for one not conjured up by someone that lacks the common sense to analyze.

On that final Note. Blind patriotism and Nationalism (You're Bullshit), is what led to the Holocaust and Bosnia. People bad. We good. They die now for our cause.

Ah yes, nothing like the flag waving idiot to smile at his countries anthem while spilling the blood of others.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21880056 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:13:51 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879949 said by jc100:

Makes us the terrorist.
Yawn, thanks once again for showing us where you stand on the issues. Yes (according to you and the anti American conspiracy theorists), the United States is a terrorist state. Have fun with that outlook on life, I am sure it will get you far and earn you friends in all the "right places".
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879949 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:50:07 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879913
We persecuted the Japanese in Internment camps where thousands died. Gee, reminds me of the Nazis.

We massacred whole villages of civilians in Vietnam. Damn, wonder what that reminds me of.

All this in the last 60 yrs. Terrorism is subject.

Arguing with you is like arguing with the village idiot. At the end of the day, you feel just a dumb as the person you're speaking too.

Anyhow, Dosvedonya cyka.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879913 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:43:44 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879838 said by jc100:

Gee. terrorism is sooooooooooooooooo subjective now isn't it =). Guess it depends on what side of The coin you are on.
Yep, and its very clear which side you are on. I think we are done here. Its good that everyone can see your true colors, as most people would be embarrassed/ashamed to say the things you have in a public forum.

In closing, I would like to point out the following:
Я́блоко от я́блони недалеко́ па́дает
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879838 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:24:37 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879789
Freedom Fighters. Well Amigo Boy (yes yes we now it's you), there's no terrorist sympathizers. It's called being a human being. If you become the enemy you fight, why bother fighting. Matter of fact, if you want to argue terrorist, we are the aggressors right now in Iraq. Last I checked, Iraq never attacked us. We invaded them, toppled their government, destabilized their country. All over bad intelligence. Sounds like the U.S. fucked up ay? So should we start arresting ourselves for the consequential 1-200,000 people killed there as a result. What about Vietnam where we executed a village full of people? Or WW2 where we locked up Japanese in Internment camps?

Gee. terrorism is sooooooooooooooooo subjective now isn't it =). Guess it depends on what side of The coin you are on.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879789 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:15:10 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879594 said by jc100:

Nothing you've said so far holds ANY WATER, TRUTH, or ACCURACY.
Yeah I guess you are right; Guantanamo is filled with American citizens. In fact, I now (after listening to you) believe that every person there must be both wrongly incarcerated and an American citizen! :p

You see, the world needs more terrorist sympathizers such as yourself. Those 'freedom fighters' are just misunderstood, right? A worldwide organization bent on the destruction of the United States (and other freedom loving countries) cant really be THAT bad, now can it?? :o
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879594 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:27:38 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879540
How wrong do you want to be.

Nothing you've said so far holds ANY WATER, TRUTH, or ACCURACY.

I proved you wrong that we:

Hold Genocidal Leaders, Mass Murderers, and the like up for trial... But if you are a Muslim and an "Enemy Combatant" you get no rights.... Yet Charles Taylor's son who tortured and murdered countless, has a nice trial in Florida.

I proved you wrong that We held American / Americans in Gitmo.

I Proved you wrong that Wiretapping everyone and "Keeping you safe" is a FARCE. Your chances of dying from NORMAL THINGS far outweigh some fabricated sky is falling argument.

Pretty much, I've systematically proven you wrong over and over. SO let's smile and realize you lack any bit of credibility. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879540 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:15:12 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879099 said by jc100:

That WAS NOT WHAT YOU SAID.HUH?? Thats exactly what I said, you just quoted me again! Learn to read man. I said there ARE no American citizens in Gitmo, and there arent.

said by wifi4milez:

Take off your tinfoil hat and provide me with a single reputable reference that there are ANY American citizens in Guantanamo.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21879099 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 13:27:17 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877981

quote:
Take off your tinfoil hat and provide me with a single reputable reference that there are ANY American citizens in Guantanamo.

READ WHAT YOU WROTE. READ WHAT I SAID.

YOU = WRONG. YOU = EXTREMELY WRONG YOU = PROVEN WRONG

....... This is the Path you take for your walk of shame. You can't back peddle out of your own quote. Your quote said PROVE TO ME ANY AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE IN GITMO. I did. I showed you that we HAD ONE THERE. So he got moved. Big Deal. WE STILL HAD AN AMERICAN AT GITMO AT ONE POINT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME!!!!! I PROVED MY POINT.

No where in this conversation did I say we are CURRENTLY HOLDING ANY. I said there have been an American at GITMO Before. Which I substantiated. I know my facts. You don't.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877981 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 07:28:53 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877195 said by jc100:

DUDE............. HE WAS LOCKED UP AT GITMO.... IT SAID STRAIGHT IN THE FIRST SENTENCE.

Dude you're a new kind of stupid. Keep talking. Everyone reading this is going to agree.
They are going to agree that he was locked up in Gimto, and that he was subsequently transferred to the US as soon as they realized he was a US citizen. This simply further proves that they are NO Americans at the facility. I cant make this any easier for you, perhaps you can bow out gracefully before you dig yourself in deeper?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877195 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:08:35 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877185
Dude you're a new kind of stupid. Keep talking. Everyone reading this is going to agree.

Whether or not they moved him is an ASIDE ISSUE> HE WAS LOCKED UP THERE. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

As per the prison itself, its a gross violation of Human rights.

Charles Taylors Son = Not American but we arrested him anyway and giving him a trial for War Crimes in Florida.

Nazis Not American -= Given Hague Trial

Milosevic Not American Given Hague trial

Whats the point? We give mass murders and genocidal lunatics trial but not some "Terrorist". Strange. Kill a few hundred thousand you're afford a court. Kill a few and you're an enemy combatant.

Tweedle Dumb is asking for Tweedle Dee.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877185 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:05:05 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877115 said by jc100:

You in your own words said PROVE TO ME ONE AMERICAN who was at Guantanamo Bay.
Nope, in fact my exact quote was as follows:

said by wifi4milez :
Take off your tinfoil hat and provide me with a single reputable reference that there are ANY American citizens in Guantanamo.

You simply proved my point even further. Even when an American citizen is arrested for a horrible crime, he isnt allowed to be locked up it Gitmo. As soon as they found out who he was, he was moved to the US. Its not like he was running around the battlefield with an American flag in his hand, so naturally they needed to sort him out from the rest of the bunch. The rest of the vermin get to enjoy their stay however, as they dont have the privilege of being a US citizen.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877115 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:50:43 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877047
A 22-year-old man believed to be a U.S. citizen has been identified among the detainees at the naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The first line man. THE VERY FIRST LINE. You in your own words said PROVE TO ME ONE AMERICAN who was at Guantanamo Bay. I JUST DID. It doesn't matter if they later moved him. HE WAD HELD THERE. SWISH.

Case and POINT. YOU ARE WRONG.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877047 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:35:34 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877008 said by jc100:

»www.defenselink.mil/news/newsart···id=44193
Ok, lets review this one last time. You claim there are Americans in Guantanamo Bay, yet you (nor anyone else) can provide any proof. You repeatedly link to an article (from 2002 by the way) that indicates it had come to the attention of the US military that one person arrested might be a US citizen. As it turns out, he was! Shockingly, as soon as this information came to light he was immediately transferred and sent to a military prison here in the US (as he should being an American citizen).

quote:
He was initially detained at Camp X-Ray at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and was later transferred to military jails in Virginia and South Carolina after it became known that he was a U.S. citizen.

Another nice try! Keep 'em coming buddy.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21877008 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:26:31 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876956
A) Says Military (.MIL)
B) Armed Forces Press Release
C) Department of Defense. I've shown you it numerous times bud.

New form of stupid HERE WE COME.

»www.defenselink.mil/news/newsart···id=44193

.... There... Can you utilize the mouse and the SINGLE BRAIN CELL left in your head long enough to click the link?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876956 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:15:06 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876948
And now I am glad you see it for what it is. Yes, Genocidal murders do it to. Nazis Fled and Merged into the populations of Argentina, etc. Serbs did it to hide out. Charles Taylor's men did it too.

What's your point or do you lack one? Murder is still murder whether its through a car bomb, ak47, nuclear missle. it still kills

And once again.. you fail. Keep trying there. You'll look smart one day.

As for Gitmo, you're the person who says we should just lock people up. Good. I hope when you get pulled over or questioned, they lock you up for the hell of it. No charges, no explanation.

Your whiny ass would kick and scream pleading for MOMMY to get you out. We know. What a dunce. You would ask for a lawyer, beg for the American Civil Liberties Union, and all out pee your pants if some cop came and tossed you into a cell for a few years without charges.

So don't give me that shit bud. You are a bigger talker with no brains to back up anything you say. Intellectual dunce. Let me ask, you even completed High School or you flunk out of it? Someone of your caliber just amazes me. Future Career Goals for you:

Klan Member
Grease Monkey
Fast Food Worker.

All the above. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876948 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:13:39 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876788 said by jc100:

So the Department of Defense Military Site and an American Armed Forces Press release are Conspiracy Theories.
Show me the article released by the DoD or any armed forces branch that states Americans are interned in Guantano Bay. Any article of your choice!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876788 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:36:33 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876783 said by jc100:

We can put on trial people who commit worse crimes. Hell, we just tried Charles Taylor's Son for War Crimes in Liberia. We did so in Florida. Charles Taylor KILLED LOTS OF PEOPLE via Genocide.
Absolutely, Charles Taylor was a head of state and his actions represented that of his government. As such he was provided with the luxury of a trial. On the other hand, you have toothless cockroaches from all over the world scurrying around various warzones with AK47's, only to merge into the population when the heat comes down on them. Those people dont even have a country to speak of, let alone rights afforded a self respecting soldier. Get your head straightened out.

said by jc100:

You know what. You're just a fucking bigot. See, we can put on trial EVERYONE ELSE but Muslims.

Once again, YOU are the one who brought religion into this. I even said Gitmo is an equal opportunity lock up facility! I can assure you that any Jew, Christian, Hindu, OR Muslim who is arrested illegally fighting a war against this country will get a one way ticket to that beach side paradise.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876783 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:35:24 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876775
Dude I give up.

YOU ARE BEYOND INTELLECTUALLY DEFICIENT. You're a walking fucking MORON.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876775 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:33:28 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876752
Freedom Fighters... Funny. I guess Nazis were Ethnic Crusader and Milosevic was a Christian Hero?

Dude you just take stupid to a whole new level EVERY TIME YOU SPEAK.

We can put on trial people who commit worse crimes. Hell, we just tried Charles Taylor's Son for War Crimes in Liberia. We did so in Florida. Charles Taylor KILLED LOTS OF PEOPLE via Genocide. His son took an active part in torturing and murdering them.

Hitler Did the Same and exterminated 6 million Jews. We tried the Nazis. Ones we caught anyway.

Milosevic did the same. We tried those we caught in his regime, including him.

You know what. You're just a fucking bigot. See, we can put on trial EVERYONE ELSE but Muslims. For them it's "enemy combatant label". Yet, for others, they get their day in court. Listen, killing is killing. One or millions. If we can take the worst and put them on trial, we can take some punk ass terrorist and do the same.

No go back to your Klan rally. I hear you have a cross burning at 10.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876752 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:26:37 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876747 said by jc100:

Conspiracy theory? Are you seriously that fucking stupid?
Let me help you out. Here are a couple of other sites I suggest you visit.

»www.2spare.com/item_43133.aspx

»www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/···/st_best

»www.oddee.com/item_92285.aspx

Enjoy!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876747 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:24:12 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876741 said by jc100:

Yes, but when they are arrested they can only be held for X amount of time or let go. YOU CANNOT HOLD A PERSON INDEFINITELY WITHOUT CHARGES.
Absolutely correct, US citizens can not be held indefinitely without charge. Illegal combatants (you probably refer to them as 'Freedom Fighters' right? ;) ) arent afforded such luxuries here or anywhere else. Those vile killers are lucky they are offered the choice of life; in many countries they would be executed on the spot.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876741 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:22:10 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876735
Yasser Esam Hamdi surrendered to U.S. and friendly Afghan forces after a deadly four-day prison riot near Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan, in November 2001. The uprising was the same during which CIA officer Johnny Michael Spann was killed Nov. 25 and alleged American Taliban member John Walker Lindh was taken into custody.

Notice the PRETTY LITTLE TITLE ON TOP THAT SAYS DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. Notice the .MIL LINK. Military.

Here's the dead give away: American Forces Press Service

Here's the LINK.

»www.defenselink.mil/news/newsart···id=44193

Now go learn a thing or two. My god, PLEASE DO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. You have just created a NEW FORM OF STUPID.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876735 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:21:16 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876731
32 / 40 RATED LOWER THAN US.

Notice I listed EACH COUNTRY. I did not say EUROPE to North America. Europe is a Continent. You might not know that because school and you never got along. I'd be amazed if you graduated high school. So Europe in the sense of countries to the U.S. on a 1 to 1 ratio. YOU FAIL at your point, I am absolutely correct. MOST COUNTRIES IN EUROPE ARE FAR SAFER THAN THE U.S.

So what if crime rose?

In 2004 32 of the 40 countries were WELL BELOW US in murder standards. PROVEN WRONG.

No just admit it. You can't even argue properly. Now you're backed into a corner and got nothing to say.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876731 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:19:26 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876718 said by jc100:

It's from the U.S. Department of Defense. Conspiracy theory? Are you seriously that fucking stupid? It's from the government's OWN WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feel free to post any US Government (or any government anywhere in the world) report that proves your point. Dont worry, we can all wait a while so start digging!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876718 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:16:17 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876712
I'd love for a copy to stop you and take you to prison for 2 years. Tell you wait here while we fill out the paperwork. Then 2 years later charge you with something. I'm sure your whiny self would be in court SUING and yelling to the American Civil Liberties Union to get you out. Punk ass kid. You're not even worth talking to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876712 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:14:21 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876710 said by jc100:

EAST EUROPE in the report is 4 Countries!!!!!!!!!
Wow great point! However the United States is just one country so comparing it to four is pointless! Furthermore, the murder rate is just one component of violent crime. For instance, stabbings are exponentially higher in the UK and Ireland. In fact, according to the BBC violent crime in Ireland rose 131% in the year 2002 as compared to 1999. The bottom line is that the United States is one of the safest countries in the world, every statistic will confirm that. The crime rate has continued to go down in most major cities over the past decade, and national security has dramatically improved. Why dont you take a guess why? :p

»news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1760781.stm
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876710 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:14:06 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876706 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876706 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:12:22 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876659
I listed EVERY COUNTRY IN EUROPE with a lower rate than ours. According to Interpol, East Europe =

Belarus
Moldova
Russia
Ukraine

WOW 4 countries. There are 32 in the ENTIRE EUROPE THAT ARE LOWER THAN OURS and 7 or 8 (Depending if Russia is included) that are higher.

Do you bother reading or just like selectively looking for numbers on a LIMITED data spread to TRY AND LOOK INTELLIGENT

Failing at failing. You put a WHOLE NEW MEANING to this sentence.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876659 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:01:26 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876575 said by jc100:

Failing at Failing. What a NOVEL IDEA. 1995 IS OLD DATA. Here's numbers from interpol in 2004. There are other numbers I found on the web. However, let's use these as a baseline.
You never cease to amaze me. Do you even look at the links before you post them???

said by jc100's 'data' attempting to disprove me (but failing as usual!) :
Homicide rates per 100,000 population by region and subregion, 2004

-North America, 6.6
-East Europe, 8.1
-West and Central Europe, 1.5

Hence, reviewing the data indicates that Eastern and Western Europe together yield a murder rate of 9.6 per 100,000 (8.1 + 1.5). Thats a full 31% higher than it is in North America! This is getting old, isnt it past your bedtime?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876575 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:41:27 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876533 said by jc100:

A 22-year-old man believed to be a U.S. citizen has been identified among the detainees at the naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
HAHAHAH ok conspiracy theory nutjub. Take off your tinfoil hat and provide me with a single reputable reference that there are ANY American citizens in Guantanamo. Go ahead, I double dog dare you!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876533 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:31:59 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876525 said by jc100:

Um... Jose Padilla WAS ONLY TRIED and SENTENCED as a way of the Bush administration to TRY TO AVOID a Supreme Court show Down.
Whats your point? By your own admission, he was tried and sentenced. Furthermore, he was never sent to Guantanamo. Lastly, you clearly have no idea how the criminal justice system works. Thousands of people each year are arrested on charges they are not later charged with, what planet do you live on???
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876525 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:29:51 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876521
»www.unodc.org/documents/data-and···2009.pdf

Notice the U.S. has a low rate of 5.6 and high of 5.9 per 100,000. JUST ABOUT EVERY COUNTRY in Europe is BELOW OUR MURDER RATE. So obviously, your old statistics are just PLAIN WRONG. You need to stand correct. Now, if you want to use your INFAMOUS WIKIPEDIA as a source, here are more detailed stats. Less verified I imagine.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co···der_rate

U.S. based off these stats 5.6 to 5.7

Countries LESS than U.S.

Norway
Greece
Denmark
Austria
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Germany
Iceland
Italy
England / Wales
Slovenia
Belgium
France
Poland
Cyprus
Malta
Ireland
Portugal
Croatia
United Kingdom
Hungary
Czech Republic
Slovakia
Macedonia
Sweden
Romania
Scotland
Finland
Switzerland
Bulgaria
Spain
Albania

Countries HIGHER THAN THE U.S.

Georgia
Moldova
Estonia
Ukraine
Belarus
Latvia
Lithuania

and

Russia which isn't apart of Europe depending on ones argument

7-8 Countries are HIGHER than the U.S.
32 Lower

So do you wish to take the HORRIBLE WALK OF SHAME to PROVED WRONGVILLE.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876521 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:28:59 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876411 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876411 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:02:24 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876404
Yasser Esam Hamdi surrendered to U.S. and friendly Afghan forces after a deadly four-day prison riot near Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan, in November 2001. The uprising was the same during which CIA officer Johnny Michael Spann was killed Nov. 25 and alleged American Taliban member John Walker Lindh was taken into custody.

FAILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL X2

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"Bush ordered Padilla held in a military prison and the administration accused him of plotting to set off a radioactive "dirty bomb" in the United States. Padilla was never charged with that. While a challenge to Bush's authority to hold him without charge was pending in the U.S. Supreme Court, Padilla was indicted in Florida and transferred to civilian custody last year."

EPIC FAIL

»abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/SCOTUS/sto···=5048935
»www.reuters.com/article/latestCr···22530850]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876387 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:56:40 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876277 said by patcat88:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_···risoner)
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh
Try again, using your own reference anyone can find out the following. Regarding Jose Padilla;

said by patcat's wikipedia reference :
Padilla is serving his sentence at the Charleston,(SC) Naval Weapons Station Brig.

I wouldnt call a Naval base a "terrorism" prison run by the CIA.

As for your other reference, that one is even weaker;

said by patcat's wikipedia reference :
In January 2003, Lindh was sent to a medium-security prison in Victorville, northeast of Los Angeles.

If you seriously are going to argue that a medium security prison outside of LOS ANGELES is a 'secret terrorism' prison then there is no part in arguing with you further.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876277 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:32:42 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876250 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_···risoner)
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Walker_Lindh]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21876250 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:25:53 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21873578 said by jc100:

Um you're just hilarious. If you outlaw guns, knives, and deadly weapons.. you basically have Europe. A continent with a VERY LOW MURDER RATE and CRIME RATE in many of it's countries. Once again it appears (for you at least) as if ignorance is bliss.

said by Interpol crime statistics (violent crimes including murder) for 1995 :
(rate per 100,000):

5278 - US
8179 - Germany
6316 - France
7206 - England & Wales

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21873578 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:46:05 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21873517 said by jc100:

Strange.

Jose Padilla, and a few others were American Citizens held as enemy combatants without charges.
Ignorance again! I love it.

quote:
On August 16, 2007, José Padilla was found guilty, by a federal jury, of charges against him that he conspired to kill people in an overseas jihad and to fund and support overseas terrorism. He was widely described in media as a suspect of planning to build and explode a "dirty bomb" in the United States, but he was not convicted on this charge.

On January 22, 2008, Padilla was sentenced by Judge Marcia G. Cooke of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida to 17 years and four months in prison.

Now unless I am misreading that, it sure sounds like he was tried, convicted, and sentenced due to his crimes. Not entirely sure where you came up with your theories however....

said by jc100:

P.S. Why bother sticking Timothy McVeigh in a U.S. Court. Seems we toss US Citizens in Gitmo.

We do? Name one!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21873517 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:36:16 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21873483 said by jc100:

Um... we locked up Americans there too smart one.
Name one. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21873483 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:31:39 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21872577 said by jc100:

Ya, it's called War. We have captured some of the WORST GENOCIDAL PEOPLE in history and gave them fair trials. You know why? Civilized people don't stoop to the level of the criminals they go after. Maybe you do, because you aren't civilized. Normal human beings still believe in courts. We gave the Nazis who massacred 6 million a Trial. We gave Milosevic a trial after his forces were responsible for MASSACRING 200,000 Muslim Boys and Men.

Guess what? It doesn't matter the crime. If you don't want to deal with the headache, send them to the Hague. There are international courts for a reason.

Ah yes... fail fail o so fail.
What, America has put some of WORST GENOCIDAL PEOPLE on trial? Did you read you history book? The amount of Nazi Germany scientists and Japanese ones too that escaped trial during the aftermath of World War 2 was staggering. If you read book others than your history book, you know you are DEAD WRONG!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21872577 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:06:27 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21872557
Yeah, right!

I presume that you are American to say things like that, because if you are an European like me (although I am now in Asia) you would know that this isn't true. maybe yes in Scandinavian countries but not in your usual Western Europe countries.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21872557 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:02:34 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21871092
Guess what? It doesn't matter the crime. If you don't want to deal with the headache, send them to the Hague. There are international courts for a reason.

Ah yes... fail fail o so fail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21871092 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:02:33 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21871081 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21871081 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 23:00:12 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21871062
Jose Padilla, and a few others were American Citizens held as enemy combatants without charges. What you don't seem to get bud is you CANNOT HOLD PEOPLE INDEFINITELY, Torture them, and use coerced confessions as hard evidence and fact. Most of what gets said is beaten confessions that ANYONE WOULD say just to make it stop. I am sure if I took a baseball bat and beat you senseless, you'd admit to whatever I wanted to hear, just to make me quit. See that logic? Probably not, you're not the brightest bulb. Anyway, enemy combatant is a sham. Give people a trial. If you can't hold them accountable here. Send them to the Hague for an international Trial.

We gave Hitler and the Nazis a Trial. They killed 6 million. We gave the Christian Murders known as the Bosnian Serbs a Trial for MASSACRING 200,000 Muslim Boys and Men in Serbia at the Hague. So we can do the same to some punk ass terrorists.

AH yes, logic wins again.

P.S. Why bother sticking Timothy McVeigh in a U.S. Court. Seems we toss US Citizens in Gitmo. As I said before, lets just beat ALL ACCUSED PEOPLE in the U.S. Think of it like this. If we BEAT a confession out of people, it'll save tax payers COUNTLESS dollars on going to court. Screw justice. Screw fair trial. Screw taking the high road. I say we toss Timothy Mcveigh and all criminals into jail once accused. NO trial. Only forced confessions. Justice is overrated.... In case you didn't get this part of my rant, its called sarcasm pandering to your idiotic statements.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21871062 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:56:28 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21871035
Not that I believe we should take away guns.. but you're logic is so far fetched and IGNORANT it isn't funny.

............. And now you FINALLY GET IT through your head. YOU ARE NEVER SAFE IN LIFE. No matter what you do, there is risk. Finally, it sinks in. So what you are saying and finally agree with me, is you have to take a risk to live life. Do you want the government STEPPING IN EVERY ASPECT of your life, to try to keep you safe. You seem to think they should. Terrorism is a MINOR THING in the over all scheme. It has happened MORE AT THE HANDS of ordinary Americans than by foreigners. So what do you suggest. We go on a wild goose chase? Obviously, that doesn't work. We've had 6 or 7 school shootings since 2001. Those are acts of terrorism by all definition. Some kid with his fucked up ideology grabs a gun, wants to prove to the world something, and goes on a shooting spree. His motive? To instill terror, fear, and incite violence to make others modify their way of life. That's the whole definition of terrorism. It's not how many you kill, but the lasting changes you force because of your actions. So what will your NSA wiretapping do to stop that? o wait, nothing. We've prob had 20 or 30 school shootings in a decade. So how come those are still happening? Listen, you won't EVER UNDERSTAND but you stepping foot outside is a risk. Live life, and go about your normal routine. If you want to remain safe, build a padded room and never leave home.

Otherwise, recognize you don't need Big Brother in your life. The odds a terrorist get you are FAR OUTNUMBERED by the fact you could walk down the street and get hit by a car, murdered, or die in a traffic accident.

That's the whole point. You finally just proved what I have been saying ALL ALONG to be true. Now to see if ytou ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THIS SENTENCE.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21871035 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:49:40 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21870092 said by patcat88:

said by wifi4milez:

Once again your ignorance shines through. Guantanamo Bay is a facility for illegal enemy combatants, not US citizens! As for Timothy McVeigh 'types', they would be incarcerated in US prisons (as they should).

Now what about all the US citizens in other "terrorism" prisons run by the CIA?
Such as?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21870092 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:10:52 EDT Re: Well, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21870065 said by wifi4milez:

Once again your ignorance shines through. Guantanamo Bay is a facility for illegal enemy combatants, not US citizens! As for Timothy McVeigh 'types', they would be incarcerated in US prisons (as they should).
Now what about all the US citizens in other "terrorism" prisons run by the CIA?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Well-21870065 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:06:07 EDT