Creef412
join:2004-01-29
Oradell, NJ
| reply to jc100
Re: A few million Euros (Francs) Later
The punishment doesn't fit the crime. that's like saying someone can't leave their house forever because they stole $3 from a church collection plate.  New idea: send all music downloaders to hell for eternity, that'll teach them. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| You missed my sarcasm. I was implying that while I disagree with this policy, it's only a matter of time til a large enough check is cut to "Change Minds". I think its STUPID AS HELL to kick people off the internet. The internet links the world together, and has many uses. Job searching, gaming, research, etc. It's a vast network that no one should be forced off of. Either way, it'll probably happen with the U.S. starting this and other countries getting on board. |
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Tsume
join:2004-02-23
Johnson City, TN
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said by Creef412  :The punishment doesn't fit the crime. that's like saying someone can't leave their house forever because they stole $3 from a church collection plate. New idea: send all music downloaders to hell for eternity, that'll teach them. I like that idea about sending all music downloaders to hell. Separation of church and state is already nonexistent, so I think it should be easy to pass a law like that. That would probably be the first good thing to come of religion in our law  |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10 | All music downloaders are being sent to Alaska to deal with Governor Palin? I always thought hell was hot....Guess global warming mucked it up into a tundra. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
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said by Creef412 :The punishment doesn't fit the crime. It absolutely does. If someone is convicted 3 times of robbing a store with a gun, it would be a good idea to deny that person access to a gun. |
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cpsycho
join:2008-06-03
Orangeville, ON
·Wightman Telecom
·Rogers Hi-Speed
1 edit | that's the same as saying. Jaywalking. 3 strikes and your not allowed to set foot on a street even at a crosswalk or lights.
Matt your starting to look like a RIAA lacky. If you have noticed, most people here have a lot of pent up anger toword anyone backing the RIAA. |
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Dodge
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join:2002-11-27
clubs: 
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said by Matt :said by Creef412 :The punishment doesn't fit the crime. It absolutely does. If someone is convicted 3 times of robbing a store with a gun, it would be a good idea to deny that person access to a gun. There are no convictions in this case. They can randomly accuse users without any proof and we all would loose internet. |
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bbenso1
join:2004-11-28
Baltimore, MD
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said by Matt :said by Creef412 :The punishment doesn't fit the crime. It absolutely does. If someone is convicted 3 times of robbing a store with a gun, it would be a good idea to deny that person access to a gun. You're correct. If they are CONVICTED. This three strikes policy they are talking about is a result of three WARNINGS. With no proof that the warnings are accurate or even addressed to the correct person and no way to fight false positives.
Is it appropriate to deny a person access to a gun because a shop owner accused them three times of robbing the shop with a gun, but the cases never went to court, the accused never got to dispute the accusations and the only person leveling accusations was the shop owner? I think not. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
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said by Matt :It absolutely does. If someone is convicted 3 times of robbing a store with a gun, it would be a good idea to deny that person access to a gun. Wouldn't a prison be a better place for such a person?
And as for this stupid 3 strikes policy, it isn't needed. There are numerous civil and criminal remedies already in place for copyright holders to use when dealing with infringement in the USA, and most likely in Germany as well.
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Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! |
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Pv8man
join:2008-07-24
Hammond, IN | reply to Matt
Yes, Matt, to correct your analogy.
and you were convicted of robbing a store 3 times, with NO trial, NO solid evidence, and hardly any judicial oversight.
Then they say you are not allowed to talk to ANYBODY or go to the library. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX | reply to jc100
Ya Gore Bull warming has kept Alaska nice and cold
on a side note Palin is quite hot
Now send all of the MAFIAA to Satan |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
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said by cpsycho :Matt your starting to look like a RIAA lacky. If you have noticed, most people here have a lot of pent up anger toword anyone backing the RIAA. I am not backing the RIAA in any way whatsoever. If it matters, I also supported (and still support) the 3-strikes felony law. Some people just won't learn, no matter how many times they are warned, so a stiffer punishment is needed. In this case, an ISP should have every right to disconnect a user who has been warned 3 times and should not be obligated to provide them service. Let the user go to another ISP. If the law is written so it's 3-strikes period and you're banned from all internet access, oh well.
The idea that someone would somehow be falsely accused of downloading illegal content 3 times is ludicrous. Do false positives happen? Absolutely. Do they happen 3 times to the same person? Absolutely not.
As to your other comment, I could care less if an idea or organization isn't popular here. I would never let the masses dictate my opinion on something ... perhaps you should think for yourself once in a while too. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
2 edits | reply to DarkLogix
Um... Obviously, pictures of the ice shelf melting isn't proof. Then again, you're from Texas. I moved down here and all I got to say, is nothing amazes me from this state anymore. If ignorant, homophobic, racist, and lack of critical thought could be packaged into one... it'd be called Texas. I'm learning that from having moved here. Nice weather, bunch of sheltered fucking people who can't think outside the box.
Obviously, anything science is made up. Go ask that nice church that set up the Museum about the earth being 10,000 yrs old in Kentucky. Sure....
I don't know about you, but if hacking down trees en masse, spewing large amounts of shit pollutants from cars and factories into the air (I'm sure Mexico City and L.A. had smog before all that, right?), doesn't harm things... then um ya bud.... All I got to say. |
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TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
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said by Matt :The idea that someone would somehow be falsely accused of downloading illegal content 3 times is ludicrous. From the same organization that has accused people who have never owned a computer, people who had died long before the alleged violation took place, colleges that had legitimate files on their network that happened to be similar to the name of an artist, and IP addresses that can't possibly exist?
Doesn't seem so far-fetched to me. |
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bbenso1
join:2004-11-28
Baltimore, MD
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said by Matt :In this case, an ISP should have every right to disconnect a user who has been warned 3 times and should not be obligated to provide them service. Guess what? They already have the right to terminate your service for just about any reason they want. They are not, however, REQUIRED to terminate service to users because some other company says so. Shouldn't the ISP also have every right to NOT disconnect any of their users?
said by Matt :The idea that someone would somehow be falsely accused of downloading illegal content 3 times is ludicrous. Do false positives happen? Absolutely. Do they happen 3 times to the same person? Absolutely not. And what happens to the guy who has been legitimately warned twice, stops pirating and then gets hit with a false positive? That's right, he gets disconnected because he just received his third warning even though he didn't actually download anything this time. Oops, sorry. Too bad for you, we don't care. |
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DarkLogix
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
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said by bbenso1 :And what happens to the guy who has been legitimately warned twice, stops pirating and then gets hit with a false positive? Call me when this statistical anomaly comes to pass. |
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bbenso1
join:2004-11-28
Baltimore, MD
| said by Matt :said by bbenso1 :And what happens to the guy who has been legitimately warned twice, stops pirating and then gets hit with a false positive? Call me when this statistical anomaly comes to pass. Convenient that you ignore my other point about ISP's already having the ability to disconnect you if they want and the fact that they should have every right to NOT disconnect you if they don't want to, regardless of what some other company says you might have done. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
2 edits | reply to DarkLogix
Ice caps are growing? Where might this one be happening? I have YET TO HEAR that one listed anywhere on a factual source. What is happening is that Permafrost in Antarctica is quickly melting, causing ice the size of small countries, to float away. Matter of truth, Alaska has ALSO seen it's ice shelf collapse upon itself. Please, I really want to know since you made this claim. Where are the ice caps growing in large numbers to offset what's happening elsewhere? This will be interesting.
Smog isn't good. But on your basis, it existed long before we got here. L.A. and Mexico City had that problem before man. We just came along and "noticed it", right. Wrong. We create a problem by pumping stuff into the air. If you for one second believe probably a BILLION cars on the road and millions of factories don't cause air pollution I got a bridge to sell you. Stick a cigarette into a closed box, and you tell me if it doesn't fill up with smoke =).
I'm stuck in a cube? No no, this place known as Texas is stuck in something called the 19th century. Hell, I'd be if i looked hard enough, I could find people here who still think the world was flat. Facts, Science, don't mesh well. Land of the churches. Obviously, it must be helping natives here. Seeing how Texas has one of the HIGHEST teen pregnancy rates in the nation. All that religion and old school thinking, really bodes well for clouding reality.
As for why Mars is warming, well I don't know, maybe it lacks that thing known as an Ozone layer to FEND off the sun's radiation. You know those pretty invisible wavelengths of light that one can't see. It's the same reason Planets further away are hotter than earth. O that's right, I bring up science to a man who thinks based off scripture, not reality.
...Welcome to Texas style thinking. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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What about the couple that has a wifi network that they fail to secure. They had the ISP stick it in, and they did a half assed job. So now everyone in their vicinity steals their connection and pirates off of it. You know what I mean. Anyone with a laptop has gone to an area and most likely found SEVERAL UNSECURED connections. Should this couple be banned for life. Sure, it's their job to lock down their network. Ignorance is no excuse. But does this justified BANNING them for life? |
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