 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to jc100
Re: Well, said by jc100:It's not the basis behind murders I am arguing, but the fact they occur. Sure it is, thats exactly what you are arguing. I think you have even confused yourself this time! Let me explain why that statement is even dumber than your first. Terrorism doesnt just "occur", murder does. Car crashes also just "occur" by accident, nothing preventable about them. Terrorism on the other hand IS preventable by utilizing extensive intelligence gathering and a little vacation for those caught to club Gitmo'. This country has been safe for the past 8 years directly due to the work of our intelligence and military services, that is undeniable. --
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| No you fail again. You are arguing the fundamentals of murder. Murders can just occur or be planned. Mass murders such as school shootings are often planned. Car accidents usually are as the name says, a mistake. Still, one can prevent either from EVER HAPPENING.
- Outlaw Guns
- Outlaw Knives
- Outlaw anything deemed a weapon
Murder is lessened and decreases significantly
Outlaw Driving
- 40,000 Lives saved a year.
See, the government can play big brother and we can all live safe and sound in a paddy room?
As for Terrorism being stopped by gitmo. My magic rock stops terrorism. I do not know anyone who has been a victim of it. Matter of fact, I will sell you this rock. It wards of tigers too. I haven't seen a tiger in the U.S. before but I swear, this rock will keep you safe. Stupid logic ay? Same as above, you can take preventative measures, but there's a fine line between prevention and insanity. The government could outlaw ALL THINGS dangerous, OUTLAW DRIVING, and big brother the hell out of our lives. If thats the kind of repression you want, you should be living elsewhere. I on the other hand am a grown adult. I would rather look after my own affairs and not have the government do it.
If you for one minute believe NSA spying and Gitmo keeps us safe, you're naive. If anything, it serves as a rallying point for MORE TERRORISM. Look what happens when they capture you. Better to die, than end up in that joint. As per the loss leader of no attacks in 8 years. Terrorism happens every day in America right? Even before the NSA wiretapping. Damn, i can't flip on the news and recall not seeing a moments notice without it.
Then again
Timothy McVeigh
Unibomber
Abortion Clinic Bombers
Eco Terrorism
1970s Radical Bombings
Anthrax Mailers
None of those were Muslims bud. Guess locking people up based on a religion doesn't solve anything. Just makes those that still believes such a system works LOOK KIND OF NAIVE. |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | said by jc100:Blah Blah Blah Yawn, you still dont seem to get it. Sure, you can toss around the cliched rhetoric as much as you want, however it still doesnt quite add up. Preventing murder is impossible. Preventing car accidents is impossible. However, preventing terrorism IS largely possible! While nothing is ever 100%, by following the simple few steps this government can help keep this country secure. 1) Use every resource at hand to infiltrate terror cells and gather intelligence 2) Kill as many terrorist as possible 3) Waterboard the heck out of those we have captured to get information that will save American lives. 4) Coordinate and share intelligence with other 'like minded' countries in the world who also value the lives of their citizens 5) Wash, rinse, repeat until the vermin have been eradicated from the earth --
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to jc100
said by jc100:None of those were Muslims bud. Guess locking people up based on a religion doesn't solve anything. I never once mentioned religion 'bud'. OOPS  |
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No Preventing murder and car accidents is NOT IMPOSSIBLE. You don't read well, do you.
Outlaw Guns
Outlaw Knives
Outlaw anything that can be construed as a weapon
Murder might not be eliminated but it damn well will be decreased.
Outlaw Driving
No more 40,000 a yr fatalities in car wrecks.
Simple ay? As for terrorism. It didn't stop Timothy Mcveigh. It didnt stop the unibomber. It didnt stop Anthrax Mailer. You can use any type of FORCED / Coerced method you want. All studies show, people will say anything under such circumstances. I am sure if I was breaking the bones in your body, you'd tell me you were a skirt wearing cross dresser who molested kids on your spare time. Should I yield that information credible. You admitted to it under duress. But hey, you said it right.
Once again FAILED LOGIC and FAILED THINKING on your part. On your basis, we should use ALL MEANS POSSIBLE to be kept safe. As a retort, OUTLAW GUNS, WEAPONS, and CARS. Then you can prevent 50-60,000 deaths a year. If one cant drive. One cant die in a motor vehicle accident. If one does not have weapons, it sure becomes hard to shoot a school full of kids or go on a mass murdering spree with your fist.
How about it bud? Outlaw everything. It works right? On your basis, the government should be big brother. How about this one. You move to the MOST REPRESSIVE COUNTRY since you feel this way and tell me how safe you feel. I hear China, Russia, Iran have openings for new citizens. You after all want someone else to be your watch dog. So how about that first plane ride to renouncing your citizenship and proving us how living life under a repressive regime feels. They keep you safe, so you shouldn't mind the lack of freedoms.
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We know what you are referring to. You said Gitmo. I don't see many Timothy McVeigh types there. American Terrorist have caused more acts on U.S. soil than foreigners. How about instead of a justice system, we just beat confessions out of people. Sure save tax payers a HELL OF A LOT OF MONEY if we just beat people into admitting things. Screw the courts. After all, Americans got locked up in Gitmo too. Why not just get forced confessions, throw away the key, and consider it a job well done. I say we start with you. How about a little torture to admitting a heinous crime so you can get locked away in jail for years and years? Sound good? |
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People conveniently forget that we were attacked under GWB.
They like to say "but but, we've been safe for 8 years."
Well guess what, Bush knew it was coming and did NOTHING!
Condi: "I believe the title of the memo was "OBL Determined to Attack Inside US."
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said by wifi4milez: 3) Waterboard the heck out of those we have captured to get information that will save American lives. Until you f**k up and grab someone who's completely innocent, and that person makes up some bogus info just to get the torture to stop. |
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said by jc100: My magic rock stops terrorism. I do not know anyone who has been a victim of it. Matter of fact, I will sell you this rock. It wards of tigers too. I haven't seen a tiger in the U.S. before but I swear, this rock will keep you safe. Hey, that's my magic rock! I don't remember selling it to you!  |
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| Well yours is the copy of the original. There is only ONE TRUE MAGIC rock. Yours is less shiny and powerful. While it might work on limited circumstances, only my rock is guaranteed to ward off evil spirits, tigers, terrorists, monkeys, and dinosaurs. |
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said by jjjj55555 :People conveniently forget that we were attacked under GWB. They like to say "but but, we've been safe for 8 years." Well guess what, Bush knew it was coming and did NOTHING! Condi: "I believe the title of the memo was "OBL Determined to Attack Inside US." Exactly.
As far as us being "safe" since then, I think that's in spite of him, not because of him. |
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1 edit | Re: Well, Let's see. Logic 101:
Terrorism Does not happen every Day.
Terrorism in the U.S. has killed 3000 people, one time. 2001.
Terrorism can be argued to not just be a massive attack and there by making the above not true.
See this is where it gets trick. I can argue a School shooting is terrorism. After all, Kid with gun goes in for an ideological reason, to cause fear and harm others en masses. By all definitions, that's terrorism. So if you want to go on that ground, we've had about 5 or 6 TERRORIST attacks on American Soil by our own hands.
Now that also applies to work place shooting. The minute said Nutjob comes in wielding a gun to kill many, you have the rudimentary definition of terrorism.
On a Grander scale, Timothy McVeigh, Unibomber, Eco Terrorism, etc are American style acts that more closely fit the bill.
So in close summation. We've had World Trade center #1 which killed like 8 people in the 1990s and Sept 11th that killed 3000.
On the flip Side we've had all those ones I listed above by Americans. NSA wiretapping is going to solve those events how?
Best yet, I hope this systematic and timely explanation sinks in. Why do you want big brother in your life. Is the government's job to keep you safe?
If so. Outlaw cares. Save 40,000 People's lives a year. If no cars, then people can't die in Automobile Wrecks. If no weapons, people can't go on shooting sprees and murders. Hard as hell to kill 20 people with your fists or a heavy stick. Hell, outlaw guns and knives, bows, and anything deadly. Watch how quickly murder takes a plunge. After all, you want the government to do everything for you. So on your rationale, it's their job to keep you safe at ALL COST.
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | reply to jc100
said by jc100:No Preventing murder and car accidents is NOT IMPOSSIBLE. You don't read well, do you. Outlaw Guns Outlaw Knives Outlaw anything that can be construed as a weapon Your comments are getting dumber as this discussion progresses. If you take away knives and guns people will resort to using sticks or broken glass to fight/hurt others. It has been shown time and time again that outlawing guns has no effect on safety. A wise man once said: "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"Ponder that while you attempt to come up with your next inane statement. said by jc100:Outlaw Driving No more 40,000 a yr fatalities in car wrecks. Another classically cliched statement! Lets examine why thats just not true. If millions of people stopped having access to cars, how would they get around? Assuming they all took buses, you would see bus fatalities increase dramatically! Assuming they all walked, the influx of millions of addition people onto the roadways would cause an increase in trampling related fatalities! You see, your simple minded comparisons dont stack up with reality. --
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to jc100
said by jc100:We know what you are referring to. You said Gitmo. I don't see many Timothy McVeigh types there. Once again your ignorance shines through. Guantanamo Bay is a facility for illegal enemy combatants, not US citizens! As for Timothy McVeigh 'types', they would be incarcerated in US prisons (as they should). --
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to TheWickerMan
said by TheWickerMan:said by wifi4milez: 3) Waterboard the heck out of those we have captured to get information that will save American lives. Until you f**k up and grab someone who's completely innocent, and that person makes up some bogus info just to get the torture to stop. If you capture an illegal fighter with an AK47 on the battlefield, there is no way he is innocent. If you raid a suspected terrorist camp and you find people with bomb making materials and more AK47s, there is no way they are innocent. If you arrest a man with a bomb strapped to his chest as he attempts to enter a house of worship, there is no way he is innocent. All the filthy inhuman cockroaches I just mentioned deserve to have far worse than waterboarding done to them, and they are lucky that instead of being killed on site (preferably in the most painful way possible) they get an all expense paid vacation to sunny Camp Gitmo. What some people seem to (quickly) forget is how humanely we treat these animals. Most other countries wouldnt be nearly as nice, and thats an understatement. --
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to jc100
said by jc100:We know what you are referring to. You said Gitmo. You know nothing, certainly not what I was referring to. Gitmo is an equal opportunity lock up facility. Any illegal combatant, from any country, of any religion, is eligible for a stay there. If you are not an American citizen, and you are caught fighting our forces, count on getting a suntan in Cuba. --
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said by wifi4milez:Once again your ignorance shines through. Guantanamo Bay is a facility for illegal enemy combatants, not US citizens! As for Timothy McVeigh 'types', they would be incarcerated in US prisons (as they should). Now what about all the US citizens in other "terrorism" prisons run by the CIA? |
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