pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
|  This Must Be Stopped
This is the last thing we need. Our broadband subscription prices shouldn't have to go up to line the pockets of a website that most of us never visit. If people want to watch the content on ESPN360, they can pay for subscriptions themselves.
If ESPN succeeds, then expect every other website to ask your ISP for a cut... that you end up paying for in the form of higher subscription prices. Do we really want our ISP bills to look more like our cable TV bills?
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Steimes
I make internets
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join:2002-01-08
Belle Vernon, PA
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| It would only take one big name ISP to agree to the terms to cause the snowball effect.
Personally I stopped using ESPN's website as Yahoo sports does not auto play a video as soon as the page loads. The auto playing video is just a bout the worst idea since the decline of the terrible MIDI sound on a person's personal webpage from the 90s.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
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i will just cut and paste my theory from other reports on this.
Disney(the parent of ESPN) will require ESPN360 to be part of the next contract revision for their TV channels. seeing how the big ISPs where already cable or are now cable providers.
basicly they will tell Comcast for example that if you want to carry our cable channels you must also add ESPN360 to your Internet service.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD | Exactly. That's the whole plan.
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spewak
R.I.P Dadkins
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join:2001-08-07
Elk Grove, CA
·SureWest Internet
·FrontierNet Intern..
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said by pnh102  :This is the last thing we need. Our broadband subscription prices shouldn't have to go up to line the pockets of a website that most of us never visit. If people want to watch the content on ESPN360, they can pay for subscriptions themselves. Exactly my feeling.
Example: Frontier DSL was using
ESPN360 as a ValueAdd proposition. Never mind that for the most part, their speed tiers were not sufficient enough to enjoy the site. I think it is the start of Bundling gone awry. No chance to Un-bundle what one is not interested in paying for. 
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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said by Steimes :It would only take one big name ISP to agree to the terms to cause the snowball effect. at&t already offers this. So do many others
Personally I stopped using ESPN's website as Yahoo sports does not auto play a video as soon as the page loads. The auto playing video is just a bout the worst idea since the decline of the terrible MIDI sound on a person's personal webpage from the 90s. you can shut the autoplay OFF. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
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said by Kearnstd :i will just cut and paste my theory from other reports on this. Disney(the parent of ESPN) will require ESPN360 to be part of the next contract revision for their TV channels. seeing how the big ISPs where already cable or are now cable providers. basicly they will tell Comcast for example that if you want to carry our cable channels you must also add ESPN360 to your Internet service. Well they could add ESPN360 to eveyone's internet service NOW if they didn't wall it off. I think what you mean is that they must offer it and PAY for it.
Any ISPs that make these kinds of deal then those websites should NOT count against any caps. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
1 edit | IF they do not count against your caps, I think they would get into net neutrality territory. This another one of those situations of forcing people to pay for stuff they do not want(there are many examples already, as you know). |
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darcilicious
Cyber Librarian
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join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR | reply to Steimes
Verizon Internet customers have free access to ESPN 360 currently and have for a while. |
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NetAdmin
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join:2008-05-22
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said by pnh102 :If people want to watch the content on ESPN360, they can pay for subscriptions themselves. Exactly. I don't want it and don't assume that I will want it.
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | reply to darcilicious
darcilicious
Do not kid yourself, you are paying for that access. They just lump it in with the rest of your bill. Which means that many Verizon Internet customers are paying for a service that they will never use. |
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Smith6612
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join:2008-02-01
united state
 ·Dish Network
·Verizon Online DSL
·FrontierNet Intern..
| reply to spewak
I could enjoy the site on a 768kbps broadband connection while missing one or two of the images that stream at the bottom. Surely Frontier had something faster unless your line was that bad? My Frontier DSL Line could do the 6 vidoes without issue. Their plugin just loves to eat CPU though on the older computers. |
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turls
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join:2004-05-23
Carlinville, IL
| reply to Lazlow
said by Lazlow :IF they do not count against your caps, I think they would get into net neutrality territory. As far as Frontier goes, no it won't count against your caps. Very definitely into net netrality territory. And they don't seem to care. . . |
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darcilicious
Cyber Librarian
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join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Comcast
1 edit | reply to Lazlow
said by Lazlow :darcilicious Do not kid yourself, you are paying for that access. They just lump it in with the rest of your bill. Which means that many Verizon Internet customers are paying for a service that they will never use. I never said otherwise. That's why we take advantage of it 
Edit: Er, I guess I did say we have it for "free". Let me put it this way, we're not charged directly for using it unlike say premium channels which explicitly cost more.
Saying we're paying for a service we never use is also like say we're paying for channels we never watch. True, but not really the point given how media services are delivered these days. |
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spewak
R.I.P Dadkins
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Elk Grove, CA
·SureWest Internet
·FrontierNet Intern..
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said by Smith6612 : Surely Frontier had something faster unless your line was that bad? Exactly why after many promises of Fiber to the node for my little corner of Laguna, I switched, nay, jumped to Surewest FTTH when they bacame available.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
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Yeah, this is totally screwed. In fact it's even worse then the Pay-TV model because you can't "just use the other Internet" because there isn't one.
If this idea works, then all kinds of sites, groups (like the RIAA and MPAA) will pile on and the result is that ISP's will charge huge bills to users irregardles of whether they want the "Content" or not.
This is a way to force everyone to pay for things they don't want.
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