Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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| No choice really
FiOS is always going to play an endless game of "one upmanship" with TWC, Comcast, Cox et al. So they have no choice. Competition is good!!!
I do hope other cable providers follow suit, and I also hope they go beyond just greenfield developments. |
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baineschile
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join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | "Generally Less Expenise"
FIOS FTTh - $4000/customer
DOCSIS 3.0 Upgrade - $50 per customer.
Generally..... |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | What is the price difference on doing a complete install rather than just upgrading an area?
The D3 modems cost a lot more than $50 ea and the D3 CMTS are not free either. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | It's cheaper than laying last mile fiber. D3 modems are also cheaper than ONTs. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | I have no doubt that is cheaper, but by how much? If it is only 30% cheaper then it would be more cost effective to go with fiber (again for fresh areas). |
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espaeth
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Minneapolis, MN
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1 edit | said by Lazlow  :I have no doubt that is cheaper, but by how much? If it is only 30% cheaper then it would be more cost effective to go with fiber (again for fresh areas). With no home visits required for D3 upgrades I'd wager that the costs could be 50-60% cheaper overall, even if you have to upgrade all of the amps and nodes in the HFC plant.
It really only makes sense for cable MSOs to do fiber in new infrastructure installs where they will already be trenching to individual homes anyway. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| Here in Charter land in the areas that they have upgraded to 60Mbps(very limited) they have had to replace a lot of lines (and presumably other hardware). Now admittedly a lot of that probably should have been replaced years ago just for general maintenance. That is why I was asking for the price difference ON FRESH AREAS(no upgrades), so that we could see apples to apples. There is no doubt that limited upgrades would be significantly cheaper. |
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MrSpock29
join:2008-02-09
Hammonton, NJ
| reply to baineschile
said by baineschile :"Generally Less Expenise" FIOS FTTh - $4000/customer DOCSIS 3.0 Upgrade - $50 per customer. Generally..... It hasn't cost that much for FiOS FTTH in years. |
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joker5656
join:2006-06-23
Dallas, GA
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to baineschile
your forgetting maintenance cost. it would and will be cheaper in the long run to deploy the fiber, also once more companies start to use it, the prices will come down off the supplies they buy since more people are wanting it. Not to mention more research will be done. |
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
| reply to espaeth
said by espaeth :With no home visits required for D3 upgrades I'd wager that the costs could be 50-60% cheaper overall, even if you have to upgrade all of the amps and nodes in the HFC plant. What about D3 modems? I'm sure 90% of customers are not going to know how to install it. I may know that all it takes is hooking in a few wires, but most are not technically inclined. Also, my co uses a line filter that I am sure is designed for D1 or 2 and will need replacing. No home visit? Think again.
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jimbo2150
join:2004-05-10
Youngstown, OH
| reply to MrSpock29
said by MrSpock29 :It hasn't cost that much for FiOS FTTH in years. I agree... last I heard years ago was ~$1000/home. I got a quote from a local company years ago that put it at ~$3000 install. I'm sure it depends on the area they are deploying in as well as current fiber install pricing. While it may cost that much in some areas, $4000 in general seems high.
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maartena
Kiss my
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
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| reply to Lazlow
said by Lazlow :I have no doubt that is cheaper, but by how much? If it is only 30% cheaper then it would be more cost effective to go with fiber (again for fresh areas). Fiber cable by itself is a lot more expensive to produce then copper cable. Also with deployment you need to be sure that fiber can never bend at more than a certain degree corner, which makes turning the corner at a pole a little more challenging. Doable no problem, but deploying copper is cheaper by far.
The only reason to deploy fiber now to those new areas is so that they don't have to in 10, 20 years from now and incur the costs twice. |
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Anonymous_
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| said by maartena :said by Lazlow :I have no doubt that is cheaper, but by how much? If it is only 30% cheaper then it would be more cost effective to go with fiber (again for fresh areas). Fiber cable by itself is a lot more expensive to produce then copper cable. Also with deployment you need to be sure that fiber can never bend at more than a certain degree corner false
ever noitce the fiber that is coiled up on power poles |
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