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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/903448"><b>mattjhsn</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  number_one <A HREF="/useremail/u/526086"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>seriously, leave it to the government to spend crazy amounts of money on something and still miss the point entirely.  I mean, really, who out there can afford a TV but can't afford a freakin converter?  Is this really where our government needs to spend our tax dollars?<br> </div>That was the first thought I had when I heard about the coupon program.  Why does the government care if I watch TV or not?  Shouldn't it be 'tough cookie' if you can't afford 40 bucks to watch TV again after the switch?   Maybe our collective intelligence would go up if fewer people were watching after the change over.  Of course with the higher intelligence they would then get a better job, be able to afford to buy the coupons and then start watching TV again.<br><br>Last year I was first in line to apply for for a coupon because who knows when this bad idea would be corrected.  I guess I should have known better, it's the government.  They don't correct bad ideas, they relish them. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/526086"><b>number_one</b></A> : no, it's for creating another committee to figure out how many more committees need to be formed to decide how many more coupons need to be issued...<br><br>seriously, leave it to the government to spend crazy amounts of money on something and still miss the point entirely.  I mean, really, who out there can afford a TV but can't afford a freakin converter?  Is this really where our government needs to spend our tax dollars?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/903448"><b>mattjhsn</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JPL <A HREF="/useremail/u/1450859"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  whocares <A HREF="/useremail/u/847226"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>5.8 Million houses * $80/house (each coupon is worth $40) = $464 million.<br><br>But they allocated $650 million?  What's the extra $186 million for?  </div> </div>The extra $186 million is for black ops of course. :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : The fact is that this transition has been forwarned, advertised and tested for the past two years. If the public is not ready, then they obviously deserve what they get.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  knightmb <A HREF="/useremail/u/906493"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The fact that they can switch but chose not to kind of proves that point that not all stations were really going to be ready by the deadline. </div>They are ready.  Some are anxious to get it done but can't because their post-transition digital channel is still in use by an analog nearby.  The ones who decided to hang onto analog until June are doing it mostly because February is a ratings period.<br><br>I laugh at the righties who are trying to paint this as some sort of left-wing Obama plot, while in reality the converter coupon program was hatched and bobbled by Bush's NTIA.<br><small>--<br>Toolmaster of La Grange.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/239636"><b>tschmidt</b></A> : About 40 million coupons have been requested by the end of 2008, valued at $1.6 billion. Households that subscribe to Cable or Sat for primary TV may still use over-air-antenna OTA) for other TVs within the home. It is likely many people ordered coupons who do not really need them. As they expire money is made available to issues new coupons. That is what is happening now. Coupon program maxed out funding and is only able to issue coupons as previously issued one expire. <br><br>The additional funding is designed to speed up ability to issue coupons. When program expires unused funds will be returned to Treasury. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CECB" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CECB</A><br><br>/tom]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Hey, don't try to confuse us with real world facts and figures - we're trying to create a Socialist Nanny state here, dangit!  ;-)<br>"No Idiot Left Behind".]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/811675"><b>cdru</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JPL <A HREF="/useremail/u/1450859"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>But they allocated $650 million?  What's the extra $186 million for?</div>This is the government were talking about.  A 40% markup for "administrative costs" actually sounds a little low.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/906493"><b>knightmb</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  KingofCola <A HREF="/useremail/u/1437371"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>All broadcasters should switch tonight at midnight.  If Obomanites want to keep the transmitters running then let them pay power bill.  Why are we putting the burden on broadcatsers to keep paying the power bill for the outdated transmitters.<br> </div>The fact that they can switch but chose not to kind of proves that point that not all stations were really going to be ready by the deadline.<br><br>I think a lot of you "switch because only old, stupid, whatever people don't know any better" are now eating your own crow.   :p<br><br>So I guess the "Obomanites" (very cute, kind of like McSame I guess) weren't part of the conspiracy after all?<br><small>--<br>Fight NebuAD and the like:<br><A HREF="http://wanip.org/anti-nebuad/">Click Here to pollute their data</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/263407"><b>Homunculus</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  vinnie97 <A HREF="/useremail/u/908589"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>What about the poor/minorities who haven't received their coupons yet?<br> </div>Screw them. You don't have to spend one red cent to apply for a coupon. All it takes is calling a toll free number. They had plenty of time.<br><small>--<br>Islam is a hate crime: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.thememriblog.org" >www.thememriblog.org</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/263407"><b>Homunculus</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  N10Cities <A HREF="/useremail/u/627488"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Uhhh.....yea.....but they have to have PERMISSION from the FCC before they can switch anyway.  If they do it without permission, they can be nailed with big $$$$$ fines.  Your point?<br> </div>Fines are like taxes. They should just not pay them... they they'd get jobs in the Obama Administration.<br><br>Just wait folks... when the new deadline approaches, they will extend it again.<br><br>Bookmark this thread.<br><small>--<br>Islam is a hate crime: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.thememriblog.org" >www.thememriblog.org</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/908589"><b>vinnie97</b></A> : What about the poor/minorities who haven't received their coupons yet?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : That's OK.  No harm no foul.<br><small>--<br>Toolmaster of La Grange.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/108284"><b>travelguy</b></A> : Sorry - the lack of a quote block in your reply led me to believe that you were making that comment. I've corrected my post to point to the original poster that you were responding to.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/239636"><b>tschmidt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  BF69 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1048555"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Um no it's tonight. As in 1 more hour in the EST.  </div>Here in Southern NH local PBS station, WENH, is shutting down analog at 8:30 AM tomorrow Feb 17. Since analog shutdown no no longer needs to be coordinated stations have more flexibility to decide when to pull the plug.<br><br>/tom]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1048555"><b>BF69</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  afiggatt <A HREF="/useremail/u/1469403"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  KingofCola <A HREF="/useremail/u/1437371"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>All broadcasters should switch tonight at midnight.</div> The switch is/was at midnight on Tuesday, Feb. 17, not tonight (Feb. 16).<br> </div>Um no it's tonight. As in 1 more hour in the EST.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by eat_me :</small><br><br>You forgot one big thing - interference.<br><br>That is why our local O&O cannot go full power with an omni antenna.  They have to notch out South Jersey because of issues with WMCN.<br><br>There's an app filed for when the FT is built but for now they're stuck on the ESB with the current power and antenna.<br> </div>There are those kinds of interim gotchas but their post-transition allotment should resolve it as you mention.  However, this one is particular to that station and not really due to analog being run at the same time as digital as was incorrectly stated above.<br><small>--<br>Toolmaster of La Grange.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : I'm not the one claiming grannies are holding this up so please point your silly argument at the post above me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : There are several reasons why a station might be running less than maximum digital ERP and power availability may be one of them.  However many stations just knocked down their analog power to accommodate the digital signal once we got past the mandatory transmission stage where all the O&Os in big markets had to get something on even if it were only a few hundred watts.<br><br>However, as I mentioned above there is no technical reason why a full power digital signal can't coexist with a full power analog since they are on different channels.  There may be business or practical reasons, though, as you said.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  BF69 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1048555"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I've only know about his transition since 1995. What were you in grade school then?</div>You know, I should just ignore twits on this site but you are a special case.  I've been in broadcast engineering since 1976 and have been a consultant since 1983.  What grade were you in when I earned my degree in 1981?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/669545"><b>hurfy</b></A> : lol, that'll teach people.<br><br>They left the CW network running on analog here  ;)<br><br>Possibly the FOX station, the linked page says FOX and gives the call letters for CBS.<br><br>I assume the ION network is still on analog but they don't seem to be rolling over to digital. Low-power station perhaps? Not interested enough to try analog pass-thru to check :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1075020"><b>burgerwars</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  whocares <A HREF="/useremail/u/847226"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>&#147;If we have a serious natural disaster and folks don&#146;t have a TV on which to receive updates, that&#146;s a problem,&#148; said =============<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/tech/news/6257126.html" >www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/tec&middot;&middot;&middot;126.html</A><br> </div>I lived at ground zero during the Northridge Earthquake.  TV didn't help me one bit, since I had no power for days.  I relied on the radio and survived.  Actually I had a TV that could operate on a battery or car cigarette lighter, but didn't bother.  With digital TV, I haven't seen any of those cheapo handheld or itty-bitty TVs sold anymore.  Are we doomed because of this?  I don't think so.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/893947"><b>printscreen</b></A> : What about radio???  They still work and besides... the most common instances when emergency information must be delivered, power goes out anyway.  People, including the government, have forgotten that radio is still widely used and the best alternative to television in an emergency.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><b>battleop</b></A> : Direct TV has an HD feed of our locals.  When I am watching the news or channel surfing I watch our locals on Direct TV.  When I watch Lost I watch it OTA.  There is just no comparison between the two.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  tschmidt <A HREF="/useremail/u/239636"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by iknowiknow  :</small><br><br>These issues were not known until really the last few months and the gov failed to account nor educate anyone on this and still aren't.<br> </div>Actually this has been know for a long time and is very difficult to address.<br> </div>I have no doubt engineers knew about this, but I was talking about the people who would be affected.  Still, many of those same people still don't know this and will be affected if not educated prior to the transition (which has yet to happen) or the gaps are closed which is really ideal.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  tschmidt <A HREF="/useremail/u/239636"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>1) Digital Cliff effect is much different the gradual degradation of analog TV. There are many fringe viewers that lived with poor quality snowy analog that will lose some channels after transition.<br> </div>I understand digital cliff effect, which is at the heart of the fringe area issue. At issue is that there are actually many who do not have poor quality snowy analog that will still be cut off due to cliff if they do not invest in new equipment.  <br><br>If you take the example of Hunterdon County, NJ which was part of the subject in the link I posted, you will see their rural fringe is 40 miles dead center of NYC and Philly.  Not the sticks by any means.  They can't be the only area that has terrain and reach issues.  Just drop anywhere in google street view around this county and anyone can get a feel for how "rural" any place can be. (Not scientific, just for illustration).<br><br>Not to debate this to death like this has been.. I was just pointing out that the whole coupon thing and readiness campaign really did fail to address issues to many affected by the once Feb. deadline.<br><br>You all make great points, btw... Just sayin']]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : You forgot one big thing - interference.<br><br>That is why our local O&O cannot go full power with an omni antenna.  They have to notch out South Jersey because of issues with WMCN.<br><br>There's an app filed for when the FT is built but for now they're stuck on the ESB with the current power and antenna.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1556359"><b>DavePR</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  battleop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>...I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore.<br> </div>Over the Air (aka OTA) picture quality blows away cable and/or satellite. If I had the option I'd dump cable in a flash.  Great way to save money in these troubled times.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:02:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/693768"><b>Eat Me</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  nwrickert <A HREF="/useremail/u/1070900"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote">Why are we putting the burden on broadcatsers to keep paying the power bill for the outdated transmitters.</div>Personally, I think they should have stuck with the Feb 17th date.  However, I'm not shedding any tears over the cost to broadcasters.  After all, this is about them keeping their audience that generates the advertising revenue that pays them the big bucks.<br> </div>Affiliates of the big 4 usually charge retransmission fees to cable and sat providers.<br><br>This gets passed on to you in the form of higher cable and satellite bills.  <br><br>So don't think the broadcasters are just eating it.  When ad revenue takes a dive, they have to make it up somewhere.  This is when they shake down the cable companies for more money come contract renewal time.<br><br>This is an expensive business to be in as you may have figured out by now.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/693768"><b>Eat Me</b></A> : Not shutting off analog is actually hurting the chance of DTV reception for many.  <br><br>For example, many in this area cannot get WNET-DT because WNET is broadcasting low power on a temporary antenna.  <br><br>And it's a real shame too because WNET's subchannels have various E/I programs that children can learn from.<br><br>So while granny's going to be losing her TV, children will be gaining educational programming.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1048555"><b>BF69</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  tschmidt <A HREF="/useremail/u/239636"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  RadioDoc <A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>there is no technical reason for analog presence to reduce digital power levels.<br> </div>Our local PBS station will be moving back to VHF once analog is shut down. VHF antenna is higher then one used for interim digital. Once analog is shut down they will be able to use higher VHF antenna currently used for analog. Post-transition DTV coverage area will be larger then interim UHF coverage area.</div>now quit posting FACTS into this. no need for that junk.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1048555"><b>BF69</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RadioDoc <A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None.  Zero.  Nada.  Except for instances where the station did not want to invest in a full-power digital transmission plant for it's interim channel, and could not economically convert that plant to it's post-transition channel, there is no technical reason for analog presence to reduce digital power levels.<br><br>Of course, what do I know.  I only work in this industry.  :uhh:<br> </div>I've only know about his transition since 1995. What were you in grade school then?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/239636"><b>tschmidt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by iknowiknow :</small><br><br>These issues were not known until really the last few months and the gov failed to account nor educate anyone on this and still aren't.<br> </div>Actually this has been know for a long time and is very difficult to address.<br><br>1) Digital Cliff effect is much different the gradual degradation of analog TV. There are many fringe viewers that lived with poor quality snowy analog that will lose some channels after transition.<br><br>2) Modeling propagation path loss is part science and part black magic. It appears model used to create equal coverage area is somewhat optimistic in the case of digital and actual coverage area is smaller then anticipated.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.tvantenna.tv/papers/dtv%20coverage%20and%20service%20prediction.pdf" >www.tvantenna.tv/papers/dtv%20co&middot;&middot;&middot;tion.pdf</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.tvantenna.tv/papers/The%20DTV%20Reception%20Problem.pdf" >www.tvantenna.tv/papers/The%20DT&middot;&middot;&middot;blem.pdf</A> <br><br>/tom<br> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/239636"><b>tschmidt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RadioDoc <A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>there is no technical reason for analog presence to reduce digital power levels.<br> </div>Our local PBS station will be moving back to VHF once analog is shut down. VHF antenna is higher then one used for interim digital. Once analog is shut down they will be able to use higher VHF antenna currently used for analog. Post-transition DTV coverage area will be larger then interim UHF coverage area.<br><br>I assume, but don't know for sure, temporary UHF transmitter may not have been sized for same coverage area but to save money.<br><br>Again just a guess on my part. I wonder if in some cases combined transmit power is not limited due to utility feed and it was not cost effective to upgrade it just to support power needed during temporary simulcast phase.<br><br>Due to doubling of number of transmitters during simulcast phase is it not possible some stations are running at lower power then normal due to adjacent channel issues that go away after transition?<br><br>/tom ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769760"><b>Derspankster</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RadioDoc <A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None.  Zero.  Nada.  Except for instances where the station did not want to invest in a full-power digital transmission plant for it's interim channel, and could not economically convert that plant to it's post-transition channel, there is no technical reason for analog presence to reduce digital power levels.<br><br>Of course, what do I know.  I only work in this industry.  :uhh:<br> </div>Yeah doc, how would you know??? Too funny. <br><small>--<br>I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None.  Zero.  Nada.  Except for instances where the station did not want to invest in a full-power digital transmission plant for it's interim channel, and could not economically convert that plant to it's post-transition channel, there is no technical reason for analog presence to reduce digital power levels.<br><br>Of course, what do I know.  I only work in this industry.  :uhh:<br><small>--<br>Toolmaster of La Grange.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:06:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/784664"><b>ydoucare</b></A> : same here.  OTA HD + Windows Media Center = :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><b>battleop</b></A> : Ok, let's review my post.<br><br>"I don't think <b>I know anyone</b> who only watches OTA tv anymore."<br><br>I don't know you soooooo that means that I am not talking about you.   ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:53:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769760"><b>Derspankster</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  insomniac84 <A HREF="/useremail/u/552990"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>What is a 3 month delay going to do for those that couldn't figure it out in the past 2 years?<br> </div>Anyone who can't figure this out is a moron anyway. They can listen to Nascar on the radio. <br><small>--<br>I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:34:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1376566"><b>tbone2006</b></A> : I watch over the air tv for free HD.  Good to meet you.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:24:18 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/552990"><b>insomniac84</b></A> : What is a 3 month delay going to do for those that couldn't figure it out in the past 2 years?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:23:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/552990"><b>insomniac84</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  KingofCola <A HREF="/useremail/u/1437371"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If Obomanites want to keep the transmitters running then let them pay power bill.<br> </div>I highly doubt there are many Obama supporters that want this delay.  At least there will probably be none on this site.  Most people are against the delay.  And technically the people who would support a delay such as confused old people and people from rural areas that will lose service when the switch happens, would be the demographic that probably voted for John McCain.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:17:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1450859"><b>JPL</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  whocares <A HREF="/useremail/u/847226"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>WASHINGTON &#151; With millions of U.S. viewers still apparently unprepared for the nation&#146;s switch to digital TV, <b>nearly 500 full-power television stations across the nation are preparing to move ahead with the transition anyway and drop traditional over-the-air broadcasts Feb. 17.</b> <br><br>The loss of signals in those markets means that some viewers will no longer get television reception unless they have installed a digital converter box and, in some cases, purchased a new antenna.<br>Nielsen Co. has estimated that 6.5 million over-the-air households are unprepared for the &#147;digital transition.&#148; Elderly, Latino and low-income households are believed to be most affected.<br>&#147;If we have a serious natural disaster and folks don&#146;t have a TV on which to receive updates, that&#146;s a problem,&#148; said =============<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/tech/news/6257126.html" >www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/tec&middot;&middot;&middot;126.html</A><br> </div>Actually, per Nielson, that number is 5.8 million as of the beginning of February.  But Congress, in their infinite wisdom, decided that too much money is what's called for here.  First off, the notion that the original pool of money ran out isn't quite right.  Yeah they allocated all the coupons per what was in the original pot, but the coupons expire after 90 days.  Once they do, the money goes back into the pot to go to the person at the top of the list.<br><br>As others have said, there are lots of people who got coupons 'just in case' they thought they would need them.  Alot decided not to use them and the money goes back into the pot.<br><br>As for Congress's role in this.  In the latest stimulus bill, they allocated an additional $650 million for new coupons.  Ok, let's do the math here, shall we?  Let's assume that Nielson's numbers are correct.  Let's also assume that every single one of those households needs converter boxes.  And further let's assume that NO more money frees up as existing coupons expire.  And finally let's assume that every one of those households gets the maximum allocation of 2 coupons per house.  That means that we would need:<br><br>5.8 Million houses * $80/house (each coupon is worth $40) = $464 million.<br><br>But they allocated $650 million?  What's the extra $186 million for?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/108284"><b>travelguy</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  nasadude <A HREF="/useremail/u/489959"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Why should granny lose her TV just so some of the richest corporations in the world don't have to wait three more months to get richer?<br><br> </div>Don't <b>you</b> realize that it's the US government who is collecting all those billions of dollars in license fees from companies who want to use the vacated TV spectrum? The richest corporations you refer to are in effect paying a huge tax.<br><br>The ignorance of some here is astounding.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:08:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1500643"><b>MOTO6809</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  afiggatt <A HREF="/useremail/u/1469403"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  KingofCola <A HREF="/useremail/u/1437371"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>All broadcasters should switch tonight at midnight.</div> The switch is/was at midnight on Tuesday, Feb. 17, not tonight (Feb. 16).<br> </div>A lot of people have the time messed up..  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1070900"><b>nwrickert</b></A> : <div class="bquote">Why are we putting the burden on broadcatsers to keep paying the power bill for the outdated transmitters.</div>Personally, I think they should have stuck with the Feb 17th date.  However, I'm not shedding any tears over the cost to broadcasters.  After all, this is about them keeping their audience that generates the advertising revenue that pays them the big bucks.<br><small>--<br>AT&T dsl; Westell 327w modem/router; openSuSE 11.0; firefox 3.0.6</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1048555"><b>BF69</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RadioDoc <A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Nope.  Not correct.   In fact, some stations have been running their analog transmitter at lower power due to having to convert part of it to digital and/or not wanting to spend tens of thousands of dollars to repair or replace something that will be useless in a few months.  <br><br>The actual problem is the model used to allocate channels and "equivalent coverage" has been found to be inaccurate.<br> </div>NO YOU are incorrect. the fact they have to run the analog at ANY power means running the digital at lower power.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1048555"><b>BF69</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RadioDoc <A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Why should granny lose her TV just so some of the richest corporations in the world don't have to wait three more months to get richer?<br><br>The arrogance of some here is astounding.<br> </div>Do you realize how ignorant that comment was on so many fronts? what do you have against "rich" people? jealous much? nobody's granny is losing TV. It's a FACT that those over 65 are MORE prepared than those under 35. But I guess saying "why should johnny college student lose his TV because of rich fat cats" doesn't sounds as good.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : Nope.  Not correct.   In fact, some stations have been running their analog transmitter at lower power due to having to convert part of it to digital and/or not wanting to spend tens of thousands of dollars to repair or replace something that will be useless in a few months.  <br><br>The actual problem is the model used to allocate channels and "equivalent coverage" has been found to be inaccurate.<br><small>--<br>Toolmaster of La Grange.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:44:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  NOCMan <A HREF="/useremail/u/1085749"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>What burden?  {etc} </div>Let's see you run a small business with unexpected utility expenses of 25% or more of budget.  In fact, it's probably more since ATSC transmitters are generally lower power than the equivalent NTSC transmitter.<br><br>What production companies pay actors is outrageously irrelevant.<br><br>You clearly have no idea about what you are talking about.<br><small>--<br>Toolmaster of La Grange.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : Why should granny lose her TV just so some of the richest corporations in the world don't have to wait three more months to get richer?<br><br>The arrogance of some here is astounding.<br><small>--<br>Toolmaster of La Grange.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1048555"><b>BF69</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by iknowiknow :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  cork1958 <A HREF="/useremail/u/139520"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Totally ridiculous to have moved the date!!<br> </div>I realize this is a hotly debated topic with much finger pointing to all the issues surrounding the coupons, the funding, who got them, people failing to get them sooner sparking a "tough luck" attitude to those who are not ready, etc... but all this still does not address the issue of those in coverage gap areas, known as rural fringe, who are just realizing now that they will still need to make an additional equipment investment beyond the "all you need is this little box".<br><br>These issues were not known until really the last few months and the gov failed to account nor educate anyone on this and still aren't.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/shownews/Digital-Switch-Creating-Broadcast-Coverage-Gaps-97967">Digital Switch Creating Broadcast Coverage Gaps</A><br><br>PS: Don't be fooled by the "rural fringe" designation.  The area in question in the link is hardly "rural".<br><br>Just sayin'<br> </div>the reason many have coverage problems is that stations running both analog and digital have their digital transmitter on a lower power than they will once analog is shut off. So if people want better "fringe" reception it's better that the analog is shut off now not later.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : They expire in a couple of months after issuance so those aren't the problem.  The program only pays out when a coupon is redeemed.  This program was under-funded from the start, however, and if you want to point fingers at the culprits you'll have to go back a couple of years.<br><small>--<br>Toolmaster of La Grange.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:36:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  cork1958 <A HREF="/useremail/u/139520"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Totally ridiculous to have moved the date!!<br> </div>I realize this is a hotly debated topic with much finger pointing to all the issues surrounding the coupons, the funding, who got them, people failing to get them sooner sparking a "tough luck" attitude to those who are not ready, etc... but all this still does not address the issue of those in coverage gap areas, known as rural fringe, who are just realizing now that they will still need to make an additional equipment investment beyond the "all you need is this little box".<br><br>These issues were not known until really the last few months and the gov failed to account nor educate anyone on this and still aren't.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/shownews/Digital-Switch-Creating-Broadcast-Coverage-Gaps-97967">Digital Switch Creating Broadcast Coverage Gaps</A><br><br>PS: Don't be fooled by the "rural fringe" designation.  The area in question in the link is hardly "rural".<br><br>Just sayin']]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  battleop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore.<br> </div>I'm sure you know someone with a portable TV.  That's why I needed mine.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:11:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/939879"><b>openbox9</b></A> : My 56 year old mother <b>insists</b> that she doesn't have an ATSC tuner in her television and that she needs a converter even though she can tune to a channel and receive a black screen displaying "Digital signal is too low"...not to mention that I've told her the TV has both QAM and ATSC tuners. My point is that there are still numerous uneducated people that may have a surprise tomorrow morning.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : The FCC is trying to make sure at least one TV station in a market keeps their analog service on through June 12.  It's a rather silly thing at this late date but as long as you weren't the last station in the market to file for an analog shutdown STA you'd get it.<br><br>As an aside, they had to file one for the original cut-off date too.  The "approval" process is mostly administrative.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:35:56 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/157889"><b>RadioDoc</b></A> : They had to file for an STA to go dark either way.  This is nothing new, and your lack of knowledge of the process is staggering.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:32:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/720640"><b>stevek1949</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Derspankster <A HREF="/useremail/u/769760"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  battleop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Maybe after the people who took the coupon figure out they didn't need the box in the first place.    I know plenty of people who got the coupon who don't understand they don't need it.   I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore.<br> </div>I know no one who took a coupon. Even my 81 year old mother knew she didn't need one because she had cable. However, I'm sure someone, somewhere was confused, despite the myriad of announcements and explanations. <br> </div>My FIL took two coupons, even though I told him that a converter wasn't needed. He said that the got them "just in case" he needed them. He wasn't about to purchase the converters on his dime, though. <br><br>I know MANY people that took the same "just in case" attitude. There are lots out there.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:01:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1379080"><b>34702533</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Eat Me <A HREF="/useremail/u/693768"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>But they require FCC approval, so the FCC can say yea or nay.<br> </div>Missed that --- problem with scanning rather than throughly reading.  <br><br><div class="bquote"> On Thursday, the Federal Communications Commission ordered stations that still plan to turn off analog signals on Feb. 17 to notify the FCC by Monday.<br><br>Acting Chairman Michael Copps said the commission could prohibit stations from making the switch if doing so is not in the public interest.<br><br>For instance, if all stations in a market want to turn off early, that would draw FCC scrutiny, he said at a commission meeting.  </div> ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:56:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/285788"><b>n2jtx</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  battleop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Maybe after the people who took the coupon figure out they didn't need the box in the first place.    I know plenty of people who got the coupon who don't understand they don't need it.   I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore.<br> </div>Hello!  I have a basic cable feed but I also use OTA as some of the stations I can receive are not carried due to being outside the must-carry area or opted not to be carried under those rules.  Also, my neighbor as an example, has DirecTV but the HD service requires an external antenna to receive the local signals.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:49:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/693768"><b>Eat Me</b></A> : But they require FCC approval, so the FCC can say yea or nay.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1437371"><b>KingofCola</b></A> : FCC mandated the switch so broadcatsers had no choice, but to run two transmitters.  If I have the option to cut costs I am doing it.<br><br>Profit, you mean they make more money then it costs to product it, I think it is called capitalism.  I don't care how much they make. The more broadcatsers make the more successful they are because the better the programming they offer.  We consumers make that happen.  If you don't like it don't watch TV.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/239636"><b>tschmidt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  NOCMan <A HREF="/useremail/u/1085749"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>They've been paying those bills just fine the last 40+ years.  I think they can wait a few more months.  They should be happy energy costs have decreased a little from last year.<br> </div>Our local PBS station is shutting off analog 2/17. Estimated it would cost them $60,000 to continue simulcasting until June 12. Have been operating at reduced power until they are able to drop analog and once they do will move temporary DTV antenna higher permanent antenna once they no longer need to transmit analog.<br><br>Simulcasting represents an additional expense does not increase viewing area.<br><br>In our metro area there are 21 full power stations. 2 have already shut down analog and 6 more will do so tomorrow. <br><br>/tom]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1525403"><b>Smith6612</b></A> : One of my local stations I know for a fact is switching off their analog tonight. I'm not sure about the other ones we have in our area though. But I already have satellite and a computer with a Digital TV tuner in it, so I'm pretty much set. I was over at a friend's hooking up their DSL when I saw the notice flash across their screen. We were watching Fox, so I'm not sure if Time Warner had inserted that into the video feed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/139520"><b>cork1958</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  battleop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Maybe after the people who took the coupon figure out they didn't need the box in the first place.    I know plenty of people who got the coupon who don't understand they don't need it.   I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore.<br> </div>Yep,<br>I know several people who did just this too and I know some of them are going to be sold. This was to easy of a scam for some people not take advantage of.<br><br>Totally ridiculous to have moved the date!!<br><small>--<br>The Firefox alternative.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/" >www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1379080"><b>34702533</b></A> : From FOX news <blockquote>When Congress postponed the mandatory transition to digital TV until June, it also gave stations the option to stick to the originally scheduled date of Feb. 17.  &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489477,00.html" >www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,489477,00.html</A></blockquote>  <br><br>Stations can switch if they want to.  Our Houston stations will stick with the June 12th date. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085749"><b>NOCMan</b></A> : What burden?  They've been paying those bills just fine the last 40+ years.  I think they can wait a few more months.  They should be happy energy costs have decreased a little from last year.<br><br>Besides, the power costs is minimal compared to the profit they make on the commercials and other streams of money that comes from their programming.<br><br>Lets get these overpaid actors to take a pay cut.  Some of these TV actors are being paid 5 million dollars per 30 minute episode they star in.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/489959"><b>nasadude</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  KingofCola <A HREF="/useremail/u/1437371"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>....  Why are we putting the burden on broadcatsers to keep paying the power bill for the outdated transmitters.<br> </div>because the govt f'd up the transition and they don't care what they have to do to prevent granny from losing her TV.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769760"><b>Derspankster</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  battleop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Maybe after the people who took the coupon figure out they didn't need the box in the first place.    I know plenty of people who got the coupon who don't understand they don't need it.   I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore.<br> </div>I know no one who took a coupon. Even my 81 year old mother knew she didn't need one because she had cable. However, I'm sure someone, somewhere was confused, despite the myriad of announcements and explanations. <br><small>--<br>I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><b>battleop</b></A> : Maybe after the people who took the coupon figure out they didn't need the box in the first place.    I know plenty of people who got the coupon who don't understand they don't need it.   I don't think I know anyone who only watches OTA tv anymore.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769760"><b>Derspankster</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  battleop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>There probably was enough money but people who didn't need it took it anyway.<br> </div>You mean we should be checking ebay for converter box deals?<br><small>--<br>I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1469403"><b>afiggatt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  KingofCola <A HREF="/useremail/u/1437371"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>All broadcasters should switch tonight at midnight.</div> The switch is/was at midnight on Tuesday, Feb. 17, not tonight (Feb. 16).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1437371"><b>KingofCola</b></A> : If we have a serious naturtal desaster, the power is usually out.  Everyone listens to battery operated radios for announcements.  If the power comes back on plug in the radio or if you have a computer go to cnn.com and you got news.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1269402"><b>battleop</b></A> : There probably was enough money but people who didn't need it took it anyway.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/211582"><b>neftv</b></A> : I agree with Cola.  Also, let alone the technical and other financial burden of having set up tower crews and transmitter reconfigurations for many of the stations. And the coordination of many frequency swaps that are happening. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769760"><b>Derspankster</b></A> : It seems there wasn't enough money appropriated to subsidize the number of converters needed in the first place. Not that I'm playing the blame game or anything. <br><small>--<br>I thought I made a mistake once but I was wrong</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/847226"><b>whocares</b></A> : WASHINGTON &#151; With millions of U.S. viewers still apparently unprepared for the nation&#146;s switch to digital TV, <b>nearly 500 full-power television stations across the nation are preparing to move ahead with the transition anyway and drop traditional over-the-air broadcasts Feb. 17.</b> <br><br>The loss of signals in those markets means that some viewers will no longer get television reception unless they have installed a digital converter box and, in some cases, purchased a new antenna.<br>Nielsen Co. has estimated that 6.5 million over-the-air households are unprepared for the &#147;digital transition.&#148; Elderly, Latino and low-income households are believed to be most affected.<br>&#147;If we have a serious natural disaster and folks don&#146;t have a TV on which to receive updates, that&#146;s a problem,&#148; said =============<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/tech/news/6257126.html" >www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/tec&middot;&middot;&middot;126.html</A><br><small>--<br>What we know is not much.What we don't know is enormous.but NOT EVERYONE wants to admit "they don't know"<br>SOME PEOPLE think THEY ARE NEVER WRONG about anything</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1437371"><b>KingofCola</b></A> : All broadcasters should switch tonight at midnight.  If Obomanites want to keep the transmitters running then let them pay power bill.  Why are we putting the burden on broadcatsers to keep paying the power bill for the outdated transmitters.]]></description>
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