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...divorced from access and content companies. Open access. All who desire can offer their services over the infrastructure at same rates. Results: Tons of competition and choice, while maximizing economy of scale and efficiency at network build-out and upgrades. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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  pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Or... you get something like Amtrak. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! |
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  KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | Amtrak can't do what nationwide FTTH could do. |
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| reply to pnh102 Amtrak is not a good analogy...it would be more like a national ISP riding on others pipes since it doesn't own much of the infrastructure it uses.
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| reply to KrK Divorced from access & content companies. Married to government regulation & taxes. I can only imagine how much trouble we'd be in if this type of project existed during the Bush presidency. I will take the (sometimes) greedy private sector over the government for my Internet access any day. At least greed is mostly free of personal ideology. It's only a matter of time before some radical right winger wants to block access to medical information (birth control, abortion), pornography, maybe violent video games. The scary part is it's not just the radical right. A number of liberals would be on-board with it too.
Any government money used for broadband infrastructure has to be done in the form of a one-time grant. No strings attached. No possibility for government oversight outside of the original intent of improving broadband access. |
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  NOCMan Verizon Fios User Premium join:2004-09-30 Flower Mound, TX | reply to KrK agreed, it would be far cheaper for the national telecom infrastructure to be incorporated into a single company to maintain and expand ACCESS, and seperate competing companies pay for ACCESS to COMPETE across a standard infrastructure. |
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 RadioDoc 58ef2c0 Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-05-11 | Didn't we all decide that one company controlling everything was a Bad Thing back in the 80's?
I reiterate my call for true common carrier access and regulation. -- Toolmaster of La Grange. |
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join:2000-09-20 Jacksonville, FL | reply to TigBitties Help with getting rid of the corporate entitlement complex that pervades american culture by forcing competition. |
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  DaveNJ No Fear
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| said by Angrychair :Help with getting rid of the corporate entitlement complex that pervades american culture by forcing competition. What about the personal entitlement that becomes corporate entitlement. If anything the best solution is government getting out of way of business. |
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| reply to RadioDoc Sure we did. The problem is the reaganites didn't go far enough, and basically turned one big monopoly into a bunch of regional monopolies which has led us to where we are now.
If things had been done in the 80's the way the OP suggested we would be much further along when it comes to competition and infrastructure now.
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| reply to DaveNJ Personal entitlement is always going to exist. That's why we have government. To wrestle some money out of the hands of the privileged class to make sure that everyone can have a basic quality of life available to (theoretically) stop the country from turning into a land of indentured servitude and serfdom.
More regulation is always better in the long run. Without someone waiting to kick you in the ass for stepping out of line the world quickly spirals to the lowest common denominator. That is, if you're even alive to see it when it gets there. |
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| reply to Angrychair said by Angrychair :Help with getting rid of the corporate entitlement complex that pervades american culture by forcing competition. that mentality gave us the TCOM act of '96. That didn't exactly work out as intended. |
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| reply to Angrychair said by Angrychair :More regulation is always better in the long run. Without someone waiting to kick you in the ass for stepping out of line the world quickly spirals to the lowest common denominator. That is, if you're even alive to see it when it gets there. So forcing banks to loan to people who wouldnt or cant pay is good regulation in the long run. Did you learn nothing from the last year. I hope you make so serious money, so i can have some. -- Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff - Frank Zappa
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| reply to S_engineer I'm having trouble seeing the parallels between having one great nationwide infrastructure allowing competition between backend providers and a piece of legislation that didn't go far enough and was never properly enforced in as far as it actually went. |
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| reply to DaveNJ said by DaveNJ :said by Angrychair :More regulation is always better in the long run. Without someone waiting to kick you in the ass for stepping out of line the world quickly spirals to the lowest common denominator. That is, if you're even alive to see it when it gets there. So forcing banks to loan to people who wouldnt or cant pay is good regulation in the long run. Did you learn nothing from the last year. I hope you make so serious money, so i can have some. You seem to be confused about what good regulation is. Good regulation is making sure things like credit default swaps are publicly disclosed.
I don't even know what you're talking about. The problem the country is in now has nothing to do with banks being forced to make bad loans (regardless of what rush might be telling you every afternoon) the problem the country has now is that mortgage lenders were way too eager to make bad loans and then pawn them off on someone else as solid mortgage backed securities.
But you're going way off topic. This is a discussion about national broadband and the advantages of a national infrastructure as opposed to the regional providers that provide substandard service right now. |
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| reply to RadioDoc said by RadioDoc :Amtrak is not a good analogy...it would be more like a national ISP riding on others pipes since it doesn't own much of the infrastructure it uses. A return to good old common carrier regulation would go a very long way to resolving this mess. Kinda like UTOPIA or other government-run internet ventures... almost all of them cost far more than they bring in. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! |
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| reply to DaveNJ "What about the personal entitlement that becomes corporate entitlement. If anything the best solution is government getting out of way of business."
The problem with that position is the assumption that the market won't make harmful choices, which is often not the case. Given a choice (which de-regulation allows) the market will pretty much make choices that ONLY favor the profit stream. I'm all for capitalism and profits but not when they're earned at the expense of slave labor wages, forced child labor, or poisonous and contaminated food products (all of which were conditions that government regulation reversed). |
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| reply to Angrychair said by Angrychair :said by DaveNJ :said by Angrychair :More regulation is always better in the long run. Without someone waiting to kick you in the ass for stepping out of line the world quickly spirals to the lowest common denominator. That is, if you're even alive to see it when it gets there. So forcing banks to loan to people who wouldnt or cant pay is good regulation in the long run. Did you learn nothing from the last year. I hope you make so serious money, so i can have some. You seem to be confused about what good regulation is. Good regulation is making sure things like credit default swaps are publicly disclosed. I don't even know what you're talking about. The problem the country is in now has nothing to do with banks being forced to make bad loans (regardless of what rush might be telling you every afternoon) the problem the country has now is that mortgage lenders were way too eager to make bad loans and then pawn them off on someone else as solid mortgage backed securities. But you're going way off topic. This is a discussion about national broadband and the advantages of a national infrastructure as opposed to the regional providers that provide substandard service right now. Regulation is regulation, regardless of what your college professor told you. Why is that people are defaulting on home loans? Because they didn't pay.. See Community reinvestment act which removed banks abilities to decline loans to bad payers. -- Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff - Frank Zappa
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| reply to Desdinova said by Desdinova :"What about the personal entitlement that becomes corporate entitlement. If anything the best solution is government getting out of way of business." The problem with that position is the assumption that the market won't make harmful choices, which is often not the case. Given a choice (which de-regulation allows) the market will pretty much make choices that ONLY favor the profit stream. I'm all for capitalism and profits but not when they're earned at the expense of slave labor wages, forced child labor, or poisonous and contaminated food products (all of which were conditions that government regulation reversed). Very Flawed statement, your denying all litigation. Please list all the corporations using the minimum wage for there employees. Most professional aren't paid minimum wage. Did you know the minimum wage causes unemployment. That statement is way to broad. We are taking about private vs federal funding. -- Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff - Frank Zappa
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