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KrK
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Re: Nationwide infrastructure company....

Amtrak can't do what nationwide FTTH could do.


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said by KrK See Profile :

Amtrak can't do what nationwide FTTH could do.
What do you think would nationwide FTTH do?

Angrychair

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Help with getting rid of the corporate entitlement complex that pervades american culture by forcing competition.


DaveNJ
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said by Angrychair See Profile :

Help with getting rid of the corporate entitlement complex that pervades american culture by forcing competition.
What about the personal entitlement that becomes corporate entitlement. If anything the best solution is government getting out of way of business.

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Personal entitlement is always going to exist. That's why we have government. To wrestle some money out of the hands of the privileged class to make sure that everyone can have a basic quality of life available to (theoretically) stop the country from turning into a land of indentured servitude and serfdom.

More regulation is always better in the long run. Without someone waiting to kick you in the ass for stepping out of line the world quickly spirals to the lowest common denominator. That is, if you're even alive to see it when it gets there.


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said by Angrychair See Profile :

Help with getting rid of the corporate entitlement complex that pervades american culture by forcing competition.
that mentality gave us the TCOM act of '96. That didn't exactly work out as intended.


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said by Angrychair See Profile :

More regulation is always better in the long run. Without someone waiting to kick you in the ass for stepping out of line the world quickly spirals to the lowest common denominator. That is, if you're even alive to see it when it gets there.
So forcing banks to loan to people who wouldnt or cant pay is good regulation in the long run. Did you learn nothing from the last year. I hope you make so serious money, so i can have some.
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I'm having trouble seeing the parallels between having one great nationwide infrastructure allowing competition between backend providers and a piece of legislation that didn't go far enough and was never properly enforced in as far as it actually went.

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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

said by Angrychair See Profile :

More regulation is always better in the long run. Without someone waiting to kick you in the ass for stepping out of line the world quickly spirals to the lowest common denominator. That is, if you're even alive to see it when it gets there.
So forcing banks to loan to people who wouldnt or cant pay is good regulation in the long run. Did you learn nothing from the last year. I hope you make so serious money, so i can have some.
You seem to be confused about what good regulation is. Good regulation is making sure things like credit default swaps are publicly disclosed.

I don't even know what you're talking about. The problem the country is in now has nothing to do with banks being forced to make bad loans (regardless of what rush might be telling you every afternoon) the problem the country has now is that mortgage lenders were way too eager to make bad loans and then pawn them off on someone else as solid mortgage backed securities.

But you're going way off topic. This is a discussion about national broadband and the advantages of a national infrastructure as opposed to the regional providers that provide substandard service right now.

Desdinova

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reply to DaveNJ
"What about the personal entitlement that becomes corporate entitlement. If anything the best solution is government getting out of way of business."

The problem with that position is the assumption that the market won't make harmful choices, which is often not the case. Given a choice (which de-regulation allows) the market will pretty much make choices that ONLY favor the profit stream. I'm all for capitalism and profits but not when they're earned at the expense of slave labor wages, forced child labor, or poisonous and contaminated food products (all of which were conditions that government regulation reversed).


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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

said by Angrychair See Profile :

More regulation is always better in the long run. Without someone waiting to kick you in the ass for stepping out of line the world quickly spirals to the lowest common denominator. That is, if you're even alive to see it when it gets there.
So forcing banks to loan to people who wouldnt or cant pay is good regulation in the long run. Did you learn nothing from the last year. I hope you make so serious money, so i can have some.
You seem to be confused about what good regulation is. Good regulation is making sure things like credit default swaps are publicly disclosed.

I don't even know what you're talking about. The problem the country is in now has nothing to do with banks being forced to make bad loans (regardless of what rush might be telling you every afternoon) the problem the country has now is that mortgage lenders were way too eager to make bad loans and then pawn them off on someone else as solid mortgage backed securities.

But you're going way off topic. This is a discussion about national broadband and the advantages of a national infrastructure as opposed to the regional providers that provide substandard service right now.
Regulation is regulation, regardless of what your college professor told you. Why is that people are defaulting on home loans? Because they didn't pay.. See Community reinvestment act which removed banks abilities to decline loans to bad payers.
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said by Desdinova See Profile :

"What about the personal entitlement that becomes corporate entitlement. If anything the best solution is government getting out of way of business."

The problem with that position is the assumption that the market won't make harmful choices, which is often not the case. Given a choice (which de-regulation allows) the market will pretty much make choices that ONLY favor the profit stream. I'm all for capitalism and profits but not when they're earned at the expense of slave labor wages, forced child labor, or poisonous and contaminated food products (all of which were conditions that government regulation reversed).
Very Flawed statement, your denying all litigation. Please list all the corporations using the minimum wage for there employees. Most professional aren't paid minimum wage. Did you know the minimum wage causes unemployment. That statement is way to broad. We are taking about private vs federal funding.
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The community reinvestment act isn't what caused the federal reserve bank to hold down interest rates in the face of a massive housing price bubble, and it isn't what caused lenders to give out massive no income no asset loans to people who didn't even have to prove they had any ability to pay a loan back. However, once again all of the loans wouldn't have caused the global meltdown if regulation were in place to stop companies from selling off bad loan commodities as if they were good loan commodities.

No matter what conservative talk radio may be telling you, regulation was the answer to solve what happened, not the culprit to blame.


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reply to DaveNJ
said by DaveNJ See Profile :

If anything the best solution is government getting out of way of business.
Riight. Because that has worked so very well for banks & mortgage companies....we need less oversight and more blind trust.


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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

If anything the best solution is government getting out of way of business.
Riight. Because that has worked so very well for banks & mortgage companies....we need less oversight and more blind trust.
But the banks DIDNT want to loan to these people, because it goes against good business practices, the problem was regulation.
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Please list all the corporations using the minimum wage for there employees. Most professional aren't paid minimum wage.
All companies pay minimum wage in it's professional services departments. It's called outsourcing to India.

Did you know the minimum wage causes unemployment.
Did you know outsourcing causes unemployment?


major marco
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

But the banks DIDNT want to loan to these people, because it goes against good business practices, the problem was regulation.
Didn't want to and were forced by regulation - LMAO. That's a good one. The 1930 Depression era regs that were in place to prevent clusterfucked housing meltdowns such as the one we are currently in were null & voided. It is the absence of those regs that enabled banks & mortgage companies to lend to buyers who shouldn't have been considered in the first place.
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DaveNJ
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Please list all the corporations using the minimum wage for there employees. Most professional aren't paid minimum wage.
All companies pay minimum wage in it's professional services departments. It's called outsourcing to India.

Did you know the minimum wage causes unemployment.
Did you know outsourcing causes unemployment?
India is part of America now ? really..
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Doesn't work when it comes to large infrastructure issues. In these cases, one company is the most economically efficient way to do it, problem is if you allow a Corporate monopoly to do it they really want to control the market rather then actually provide. So the trick is to line up their goals with profit making with the agenda of the best infrastructure. This requires Government regulation.
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KrK
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :

So forcing banks to loan to people who wouldnt or cant pay is good regulation in the long run. Did you learn nothing from the last year.
Explain the regulation that forced banks to make bad loans. (Secret: There wasn't any.)

It was the removal of regulations and oversight that caused the problem; not over-regulation!
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