baj475
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Chico, CA | Pirate's Bay Does anyone have an English translation of the Swedish law the PB is accused of violating? If so, would you post it? |
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| Swedish Pirates At Bay »www.forbes.com/2009/02/16/pirate···_11.html
Six music companies including Vivendi, Time Warner and Sony are seeking 2.2 million euros ($2.8 million) in damages, while the film industry is claiming 10.9 million euros ($13.9 million). The trial is expected to last three weeks, though judging by some reports the opening statements are moving at a less-than-frenzied pace.
Swedish authorities in 2006 had thrown up evidence of solid advertising revenues--estimated at $72,000-$86,000 a month--as well as evidence that each of the four was profiting from them. The oldest of the quartet, 48-year-old Carl Lundstrom, is already known in his homeland as a right-wing celebrity millionaire. »arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news···arts.ars
Despite the glib tone and tough words, the defendants face up to two years in jail and potentially massive fines. They may consider the trial to be little more than spectacle, but if so, it's a spectacle with real consequences. The trial is both criminal AND civil. Besides civil penalties in the millions, the 4 pirates can also end up in jail for 2 yrs on criminal counts.
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CWCville USA | said by fAcEtIOUs:The trial is both criminal AND civil. Besides civil penalties in the millions, the 4 pirates can also end up in jail for 2 yrs on criminal counts. They've been accused of doing something that isn't a crime in their country, and they're being sued for damages that can't be proven. They will either get off no problem, or the swedish government will feel the wrath of its citizens. Not every countries' citizens are so terrified of their government that they're scared to stand up to them, unlike some other countries I can think of... |
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Just shows that nowadays they will create laws to "get" people who haven't committed a single crime.
TBB hasn't engaged in a single act of piracy; so they have to invent new crimes to find them guilty of.
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| said by KrK:Just shows that nowadays they will create laws to "get" people who haven't committed a single crime. TBB hasn't engaged in a single act of piracy; so they have to invent new crimes to find them guilty of. They are as guilty as a "fence" is in the US that facilitates criminal activity and makes money off that activity. And it is against the law in Sweden as it is in most countries in the world. But since the "Goods" being stolen are from the US instead of Sweden, they might not worry about it as much.
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| Nope. A fence handles stolen goods. Thereby encouraging the act of theft and also profiting from it.
TBB does neither. If anything, you could say TBB is "guilty" of displaying a sign explaining how someone could find the content they are seeking.... basically, it's a search engine, period.
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Re: Pirate's Bay i should note that i have found torrents using Google.
just think around 15mil and 2yrs in prison is less then what the act of uploading 20 songs could get here in the US at maximum legal penalty.
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| said by Kearnstd:i should note that i have found torrents using Google. So have millions of people. But it's difficult to demonize Google in the same way the motion picture companies can demonize Pirate Bay. And since they law basically is not on the side of the motion picture companies in this case, demonization is needed for a chance at winning some money, which is what this is all about. Imagine them trying to sue Google; that's not going to happen. They're more likely to lobby governments to prohibit torrent links from showing up in Google search results.
From this link at the Wall Street Journal: »blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/02/17/···eatrics/
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Whatever the outcome of the trial, which is estimated to run for a few weeks, a commenter on TorrentFreak’s coverage of the event nicely summed up potential outcomes of the spectacle by writing, “On the face of the facts, the Pirate Bay has a good chance of winning. Technically, there are no Swedish laws governing this because the technology is well ahead of the laws. Still, if they lose, they lose.”
“But if they win, it’ll just mean more and stricter, narrowly focused laws, less privacy, increased surveillance. The internet loses. We all lose.”
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This lawsuit would be the same as sueing the gun shop for a murder that was committed with the gun that was sold there.
Pirate bay hosts .torrent files, they do not host any copyrighted materials. In other words, they host the "guns", but guns don't kill people, people kill people.
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Re: Swedish Pirates At Bay said by james:They will either get off no problem, or the swedish government will feel the wrath of its citizens. Not every countries' citizens are so terrified of their government that they're scared to stand up to them, unlike some other countries I can think of... Oooooooh - the Swedes are going to be mad at their government - look out ! 
What are they going to do - stop paying their HUGE, INFLATED TAX BILLS ??
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CWCville USA | said by jay_rm:What are they going to do - stop paying their HUGE, INFLATED TAX BILLS ?? No, they'll vote for someone other than a couple of puppet parties that are basically run by the same group of people. |
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 kamm
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Brooklyn, NY | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:» www.forbes.com/2009/02/16/pirate···_11.htmlSix music companies including Vivendi, Time Warner and Sony are seeking 2.2 million euros ($2.8 million) in damages, while the film industry is claiming 10.9 million euros ($13.9 million). The trial is expected to last three weeks, though judging by some reports the opening statements are moving at a less-than-frenzied pace.
Swedish authorities in 2006 had thrown up evidence of solid advertising revenues--estimated at $72,000-$86,000 a month--as well as evidence that each of the four was profiting from them. The oldest of the quartet, 48-year-old Carl Lundstrom, is already known in his homeland as a right-wing celebrity millionaire. » arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news···arts.arsDespite the glib tone and tough words, the defendants face up to two years in jail and potentially massive fines. They may consider the trial to be little more than spectacle, but if so, it's a spectacle with real consequences. The trial is both criminal AND civil. Besides civil penalties in the millions, the 4 pirates can also end up in jail for 2 yrs on criminal counts. Too bad you STILL cannot grasp this basic fact that Sweden isn't part of the Corporate States of America hence they do not have to tolerate our corrupt, corporation-paid rotten justice system nor adhere our corrupt (and often openly anti-constitutional, mind you) laws including copyright-related ones.
Good for them. 
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kamm
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by KrK:Just shows that nowadays they will create laws to "get" people who haven't committed a single crime. TBB hasn't engaged in a single act of piracy; so they have to invent new crimes to find them guilty of. They are as guilty as a "fence" is in the US that facilitates criminal activity and makes money off that activity. And it is against the law in Sweden as it is in most countries in the world. But since the "Goods" being stolen are from the US instead of Sweden, they might not worry about it as much. Utter nonsense - you sound just as confused as their lawyers were today, resulting in the collapse of all "assisting copyright infringement" charges.
It's interesting to see that all of you, corporate mouthpieces, can c\only cite the same false reasoning, no matter how many times it's been proven to be illogical and downright silly. 
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kamm
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Re: Pirate's Bay said by fatness:said by Kearnstd:i should note that i have found torrents using Google. So have millions of people. But it's difficult to demonize Google in the same way the motion picture companies can demonize Pirate Bay. And since they law basically is not on the side of the motion picture companies in this case, demonization is needed for a chance at winning some money, which is what this is all about. Imagine them trying to sue Google; that's not going to happen. They're more likely to lobby governments to prohibit torrent links from showing up in Google search results. From this link at the Wall Street Journal: » blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/02/17/···eatrics/ quote:
Whatever the outcome of the trial, which is estimated to run for a few weeks, a commenter on TorrentFreak’s coverage of the event nicely summed up potential outcomes of the spectacle by writing, “On the face of the facts, the Pirate Bay has a good chance of winning. Technically, there are no Swedish laws governing this because the technology is well ahead of the laws. Still, if they lose, they lose.”
“But if they win, it’ll just mean more and stricter, narrowly focused laws, less privacy, increased surveillance. The internet loses. We all lose.”
Ohhh, the corporate-fascist WSJ and its ilks, its rotten bakcground interests...
...does anyone still gives a flying f*** about this piece of crap called WSJ?
BTW if they win it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that they will have any more clout let, especially enough to force Swedish lawmakers to change their laws. - ergo BT will grow at an even higher rate.
If TBP loses then nothing will happen either - their site is distributed worldwide so unless all root servers ban the name thepiratebay.org there should be no more than few second outages even in case of direct takedowns...
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