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The prosecutor have a problem distingushing from megabits and megabytes.
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kudos:2 | said by Hazy Arc: quote:
The prosecutor have a problem distingushing from megabits and megabytes.
How very sad. I read it has been two years to build the case. Half of it thrown out after two years of preparation? Wow!
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The prosecutor have a problem distingushing from megabits and megabytes.
If this is the end result of two years of preparation, the prosecution deserves to lose.
What did they do-- hire Marcia Clark?
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| I think the prosecution is relying on methods used in US politics: just repeat something over and over and over as though it's true, and expect to be believed. And they're also relying on overkill.
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Marten Schultz, a professor of tort law at Stockholm University was present and called it "a formative legal policy event". He considers the sought damages grossly inflated. Record companies are seeking some damages but the Hollywood studios are going for the big kill and asking for about $10 million for five movies that has been shared.
»blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/0···ria.html
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# More new for #spectrial: Most interesting thing is that I just got an e-mail from a person within the movie industry that hope we win 10:33 PM Feb 15th from web
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said by NOVA_Guy: quote:
The prosecutor have a problem distingushing from megabits and megabytes.
If this is the end result of two years of preparation, the prosecution deserves to lose. What did they do-- hire Marcia Clark? Yeah PirateBay is just an "easier" target I guess. Google, yahoo, msn all have torrent links, files cache, etc. You can find torrents of movies on them just as easy, but they wouldn't dare sue them over here in the US because they would spend more money in court than they would win.
If the PirateBay is illegal, by the same logic, so is Google, Yahoo, MSN because they all have the same process of accruing the torrent files to start sharing. The PirateBay doesn't host any actual content, so that's why half of it was thrown out in court to begin with.
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That's my point too..
The numbers the MPAA/RIAA CLAIM to have lost due to P2P is just beyond reasonable, even if there were true losses.
If I was the judge, I would make them explain, in detail, how they arrived at their figures, and if they could support the numbers claimed. If they could not backup up their claims with real world numbers, I would throw the entire case out due to it being frivolous in origin...
There is no way on this earth that they could substantiate the numbers that the claim to have lost...
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all out war with Google would be futile, imagine of WB's sites all slipped to page 55 in a google search
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said by exocet_cm:said by Hazy Arc: quote:
The prosecutor have a problem distingushing from megabits and megabytes.
How very sad. I read it has been two years to build the case. Half of it thrown out after two years of preparation? Wow! The prosecutor is calling it preparation "H"
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| said by ARGONAUT:The prosecutor is calling it preparation "H" This had me falling over laughing! Kudos! |
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They're just picking some pie-in-the-sky number as a % of lost business and throwing it out there. There's no credible reasoning behind what they assert their damages to be.
They'd have better luck getting Congress to pass the "Business Models With Disabilites Act".
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| said by fatness:They'd have better luck getting Congress to pass the "Business Models With Disabilities Act". Don't give them any ideas. It looks like our elected officials will pass anything right now except a free all-you-can-eat buffet. |
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said by JRW2:That's my point too.. The numbers the MPAA/RIAA CLAIM to have lost due to P2P is just beyond reasonable, even if there were true losses. If I was the judge, I would make them explain, in detail, how they arrived at their figures, and if they could support the numbers claimed. If they could not backup up their claims with real world numbers, I would throw the entire case out due to it being frivolous in origin... There is no way on this earth that they could substantiate the numbers that the claim to have lost... The criminal organizations of RIAA/MPAA/IFPI et al NEVER EVER provided ANY explanation of their losses - they usually cite "studies" as resources but when you actually bother to dig into those numbers they ALL TRUN OUT TO BE COMPLETE BS, PULLED FROM THIN AIR with NO EVIDENCE BEHIND ANY OF IT.
It's a criminal organization, at least RIAA and MPAA are clearly and they should be TRIED under the RICO statue.
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"Business Models With Disabilites Act"?
That's priceless! |
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In trial developments on day 3, the entertainment industry tried to explain how they arrived at the amount of damages they're claiming. »www.thelocal.se/17670/20090218/
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The industry’s damage claims are based in part on the estimated amount of sales lost to file sharing over the Pirate Bay. “But the damage is greater than that for the companies,” said Danowsky. “The alternative of free downloading creates an impossible competitive situation for legal downloading. This is about a purposeful crime on a grand scale with significant income as a result,” continued Danowsky, who doubts assertions by the four defendants don’t have the resources to pay the compensation claims.
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For every downloaded copy of Harry Potter, the companies are requesting 261.48 kronor, while they want 222.55 kronor per downloaded copy of Syriana, Walk The Line, and Pink Panther. Downloaded copies of the Prison Break television series, meanwhile, are to be compensated to the tune of 415.81 kronor each.
The compensation claim is meant to cover not only “market damage”, according to Wadsted, but also “internal damages”.
So their damages claimed are based on:
A guess about sales lost.
A complaint about competition.
A vague phrase: "market damage" (perhaps this is the same as the "lost sales" guess).
A vague phrase: "internal damage".
The last one sounds like injury to bodily organs. Did Pirate Bay steal their kidneys?
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| I love this stuff, the judge has to throw this garbage out of court due to the fact that the damage claims are unsupportable!
BTW, what about all the sales GAINED due to P2P downloads??
Did they factor those in too??
I personally have made hundreds of dollars worth of purchases because I could find the song on a P2P site and wanted the CD it appeared on...
I'll bet they have NOT figured that into their equation... 
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"Internal Damages"?
That does seem to be worded as if that band of infamous Swedish brigands waylaid some unfortunate movie tycoons' yachts and clubbed them on the kneecaps when they protested too much .
The way I understand it, the remaining charges against them amount to providing information on where to find [allegedly] pirated material somewhere on the Internet.
It's not as if I sold you a bootleg tape of Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In, or let you copy my bootleg tape. It's as if I told you that a friend of mine owned a bootleg tape of Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In, and he wouldn't mind if you copied it. Under US [DMCA] law as I understand it, that's illegal.
The problem I have with this is that it's very close to what happens when someone checks out a DVD from a public library and rips it. Most libraries have online catalogs where a patron can find out whether or not a certain library has a certain item. CT has regional and statewide catalogs that will tell you which library in the state has a given item. To my mind, although there's a difference between this and what the Pirate Bay is doing, it's not a very big difference.
Suppose I find out that Hartford Public Library has a copy of 'Best of Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In' on DVD, and I check it out and rip it. Is the library liable for facilitating illegal copying? I certainly hope not!
IMHO, someone who rips a DVD for their own private, non-commercial use shouldn't have to look over their shoulder. If they turn around and start charging $5 admission to see it or sell copies for $5 apiece, then the MPAA can go after them for damages [or at least for whatever profit they made on the illegal activity, since that's easily determined]. |
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Intelligent comments about The Pirate Bay & why they should die And the case for why The Pirate Bay criminals should lose:
»tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/2009···theplank
If justice prevails, The Pirate Bay will sink. The four men on trial in Sweden for running the site, which makes money by enabling Internet piracy, should be found guilty of making copyrighted material easily available to those who wish to download it. The Pirate Bay makes its living off piracy, and that’s bad. It allows millions of Internet users to steal music, movies, games, and so on. Only two groups truly believe Pirate Bay and its ilk are on the up and up: The loony, all-content-must-be-free crowd, and copyright violators hoping to apply a dubious, Robin Hoodesque moral code to their own particular brand of thievery.Finally, there are easy ways to share music without winding up in court. Music-sharing sites such as Last.FM and Lala.com are two good examples of how to do it legally. Jeff Bertolucci, PC World » www.pcworld.com/article/159732/i···ank.html
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| Re: Intelligent comments about The Pirate Bay & why they should quote:
Only two groups truly believe Pirate Bay and its ilk are on the up and up:
Any article using the word "ilk" isn't worth reading.
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