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tschmidt
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Re: Boo

said by NormanS See Profile :

Outbound port 25 access allows a Verizon subscriber to access port 25 on a remote host.
It has been common practice for residential ISPs to block inbound Port 25 for years for exactly that reason.

said by NormanS See Profile :

that end user message submission should be done over port 587.
I read it over last night after I posted. I'll have to contact my hosting service to see what they support. I'm in New England, Verizon sold assets to FairPoint but I have to assume they will adopt similar policy at some point.

I'm in favor of steps that reduce spam but some ISPs have adopted rather silly an ineffective anti-spam measures that make life difficult.

/tom


Tweak
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Its not ineffective you have had fellow posters explain to you that its very effective in blocking spam.

NormanS
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said by tschmidt See Profile :

said by NormanS See Profile :

Outbound port 25 access allows a Verizon subscriber to access port 25 on a remote host.
It has been common practice for residential ISPs to block inbound Port 25 for years for exactly that reason.
Blocking inbound port 25 has no effect on compromised computers' access gateway (MX) mail servers. You could block inbound port 25 to every Verizon customer, leave outbound port 25 unblocked, and compromise Verizon customer computers would be able to make connections to my gateway mail server unimpeded (unless the source IP address was in a blocking list, and my server queried same).

FWIW, neither AT&T (in the legacy SBC regions), nor Comcast block inbound port 25 by default. Comcast only blocks port 25 on evidence of abuse from their customer; that is a bidirectional block when implemented. AT&T (legacy SBC regions only) just blocks outbound port 25; though their block is bidirectional for AT&T Worldnet DSL and AT&T Southeast (legacy Bellsouth) customers.
said by NormanS See Profile :

that end user message submission should be done over port 587.
I read it over last night after I posted. I'll have to contact my hosting service to see what they support. I'm in New England, Verizon sold assets to FairPoint but I have to assume they will adopt similar policy at some point.

I'm in favor of steps that reduce spam but some ISPs have adopted rather silly an ineffective anti-spam measures that make life difficult.
Port 25 blocking is neither silly, nor ineffective. In fact, it has led to an increase in malicious attempts to gain AT&T customer email log in details. Since outbound port 25 is no longer available to the 'botnet spammers, they attempt to steal authorized log in credentials to the SMTP AUTH message submission servers. Using social engineering to steal that access from the users. It would seem that outbound port 25 blocking is putting the hurt on 'botnet spammers, if they have to resort to stealing accounts to get their spam sent.
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