me1212
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| If it slowing why do we need caps?
My guess is their network cannot handle 25-60+m down unlimited for ever and so instead of doing the smart thing and expanding/adding to their system so the CAN handle it they choose to put caps in. I know that expanding would cost a more than caps, but thats just in the here and now in 10yrs it could cost them, they may not have as many people sing up as they would have in the expanded, and it would have given them more money than not expanding r what ever you want to all it would have saved them.
As for government money NO NO NO NO! If they want MY money they HAVE to EARN it, not take it from me and pocket then give me nothing in return, on the other hand if it would mean no caps I would not mind giving them some. |
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| said by me1212  : I know that expanding would cost a more than caps, but thats just in the here and now in 10yrs it could cost them, they may not have as many people sing up as they would have in the expanded, and it would have given them more money than not expanding r what ever you want to all it would have saved them. Unfortunately, the here and now has limited ability to fund capital expenditures due to the economic recession which is expected to last this year and probably the next as well. So expansion now is very unlikely.
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me1212
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Pleasant Hill, MO
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| I know just sayin'. However IF the cap was 300gb+ and no throttle(or one that ONLY slowed the speed, not messed with QoS, ya know for VoIP) I would be ok with that much, how ever if I could get a no cap for an ok speed I would that that one. I just hope there will always be a no cap ISP other than T1, unless the cost goes dwon to like $220 or less. |
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Pizz
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| Caps are put into place, to keep costs down on the network/plant side. It's also used to protect a company's revenue. I.E. Video On Demand, Movies Streams, Watching TV on your PC. That's why companies (Mainly MSOs) use this model, because they've decided no way in hell, you're going to view free stuff and use our bandwidth (that you've help fund).
It's sad in this day and age, we're using a 90's business model now of limiting what you can do with your connection. Least in Japan they cap your upload to 500gb or 1TB a month for their fiber to the home connections. But on the download side, go at it.
When we can start making this companies actually provide, instead of milking us and the gov't with handouts. We'll just be paying more for less.
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me1212
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1 edit | Do you mean less speed or more caps? and I know thats why they are doing it hulu and netflix are hurting their pocket book. What IS MSO?
"because they've decided no way in hell, you're going to view free stuff and use our bandwidth (that you've help fund)."
Yeah if they see even $0.001 of their money go away because of the IPTV they get ticked, but there not much we can do about that right now. Thats why I like DSLs like Embarq no caps, less speed, but after a certain speed I could care less.
Japan has it better they have 500gb-1tb caps and I think I read like 1gb internet.
Hopefuly in the NEAR future we can make the ISP say up fromt that have a cap, like on their main page. |
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Pizz
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| MSO is a Multiple System Operator, which means. They operate their cable companies in many areas. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi_system_operator
There will never do less speed, because they're banking on customers will be attracted by the huge speed, but not tell you it's all dependent on your local area.
If the MSOs would just bring their speeds back down to where their local plants, network can handle.. We'll be alright.
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said by me1212 :What IS MSO? MSO = Multi System Operator. It means Comcast is really a group of separate operating cable systems controlled under a corporate umbrella. That is why it often happens that there is not one list of stations carried by "Comcast". Each operating company actually makes decisions and contract deals separate from the corporate parent.
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
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| reply to Pizz
Thanks guys.
"If the MSOs would just bring their speeds back down to where their local plants, network can handle.. We'll be alright."
they won't do that for a while, then they would not be able to put caps on, if I understand what you are saying. But if thats what has to be done to remove the caps, or at least get them 500gb-1tb That would be ok. If I had CC or *insert cableco here* 500g would be enough for me to feel safe, 1t even better.. |
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nasadude
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| reply to me1212
"We" don't need caps at all; neither do the ISPs.
The ISPs badly want caps (and throttling and deep packet inspection), but not because of bandwidth issues.
This quote from the article pretty much nails it:
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SaveOurNet.ca, which wants to see network management rules imposed on ISPs, seized on the data. "If traffic growth is slowing, then it is hard to imagine why the ISPs need to suddenly selectively throttle Internet traffic," said co-founder Steve Anderson. "The fact that ISPs are slowing access to Internet technologies that compete with their own services seems like more than just a coincidence."
The ISPs want ways to control bandwidth, either to prevent video competition with their own offerings or to further monetize their network without adding further value. |
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me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | I kinda lareayd knew that, but thanks anyway.
How much does 1GB cost them? I think I read that it was like a $0.10 so we need a PAYG ISP like 1gb is $0.20(a 100% profit) so like 250g is $50 and 500gb is $100. |
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Pizz
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join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
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| Bandwidth doesnt cost them much at all. Its something like 5-10 cents per gigabyte, during peak times. And very much lower through non-peak times. What costs them money is last mile run from homes to the network. Take cablevision out of the equation, but MSOs do not like to spend the needed funds to improve and upgrade that sector.
Cablevision on the other hand, is pretty quick on jumping to the newer tech, i'll give them credit. And I'll wager they'll have most of their systems with Docsis 3.0 by the end of the year. TimeWarner on the other hand? Probably wont even have 1% of Docsis 3.0 implemented until 2011. |
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2 edits |  said by Pizz :Cablevision on the other hand, is pretty quick on jumping to the newer tech, i'll give them credit. And I'll wager they'll have most of their systems with Docsis 3.0 by the end of the year. TimeWarner on the other hand? Probably wont even have 1% of Docsis 3.0 implemented until 2011. That is much easier to do when all they have to cover is the NYC metro area instead of much of the US like Comcast, TWC, etc.
Cablevision coverage area
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me1212
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Thats why a lot of DSLs have no cap. They have no tv, so they won't loose money if people use them for IPTV, they may even make money. If people want to use IPTV only they need more speed and more speed costs more so DSLs make more money, so some DSLs could be hurting them selves with caps. |
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Pizz
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said by TKJunkMail :said by Pizz :Cablevision on the other hand, is pretty quick on jumping to the newer tech, i'll give them credit. And I'll wager they'll have most of their systems with Docsis 3.0 by the end of the year. TimeWarner on the other hand? Probably wont even have 1% of Docsis 3.0 implemented until 2011. That is much easier to do when all they have to cover is the NYC metro area instead of much of the US like Comcast, TWC, etc. [att=1] Sure Cablevision isnt as huge as Comcast/TimeWarner - but they doesn't change anything. They've spent money to keep their last mile runs pretty on par with growth. They took some loses in doing so if you read their reports. There is no excuse for Comcast/TimeWarner at all, for not improving their last mile runs. Coverage areas mean nothing, not one iota. |
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