Re: If it slowing why do we need caps? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21935439 en Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:55:49 EDT Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:55:49 EDT Re: If it slowing why do we need caps? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935970 Hi :
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Cablevision on the other hand, is pretty quick on jumping to the newer tech, i'll give them credit. And I'll wager they'll have most of their systems with Docsis 3.0 by the end of the year. TimeWarner on the other hand? Probably wont even have 1% of Docsis 3.0 implemented until 2011.
That is much easier to do when all they have to cover is the NYC metro area instead of much of the US like Comcast, TWC, etc.

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Sure Cablevision isnt as huge as Comcast/TimeWarner - but they doesn't change anything. They've spent money to keep their last mile runs pretty on par with growth. They took some loses in doing so if you read their reports. There is no excuse for Comcast/TimeWarner at all, for not improving their last mile runs. Coverage areas mean nothing, not one iota.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935970 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:33:25 EDT Re: If it slowing why do we need caps? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935798 me1212 : Thats why a lot of DSLs have no cap. They have no tv, so they won't loose money if people use them for IPTV, they may even make money. If people want to use IPTV only they need more speed and more speed costs more so DSLs make more money, so some DSLs could be hurting them selves with caps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935798 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:06:31 EDT Re: If it slowing why do we need caps? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935742 OverModded :
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Cablevision on the other hand, is pretty quick on jumping to the newer tech, i'll give them credit. And I'll wager they'll have most of their systems with Docsis 3.0 by the end of the year. TimeWarner on the other hand? Probably wont even have 1% of Docsis 3.0 implemented until 2011.
That is much easier to do when all they have to cover is the NYC metro area instead of much of the US like Comcast, TWC, etc.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935742 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:00:34 EDT Re: If it slowing why do we need caps? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935711 Hi : Bandwidth doesnt cost them much at all. Its something like 5-10 cents per gigabyte, during peak times. And very much lower through non-peak times. What costs them money is last mile run from homes to the network. Take cablevision out of the equation, but MSOs do not like to spend the needed funds to improve and upgrade that sector.

Cablevision on the other hand, is pretty quick on jumping to the newer tech, i'll give them credit. And I'll wager they'll have most of their systems with Docsis 3.0 by the end of the year. TimeWarner on the other hand? Probably wont even have 1% of Docsis 3.0 implemented until 2011.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935711 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:56:02 EDT Re: If it slowing why do we need caps? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935609 me1212 : I kinda lareayd knew that, but thanks anyway.

How much does 1GB cost them? I think I read that it was like a $0.10 so we need a PAYG ISP like 1gb is $0.20(a 100% profit) so like 250g is $50 and 500gb is $100.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935609 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:41:00 EDT Re: If it slowing why do we need caps? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935585 nasadude : "We" don't need caps at all; neither do the ISPs.

The ISPs badly want caps (and throttling and deep packet inspection), but not because of bandwidth issues.

This quote from the article pretty much nails it:

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SaveOurNet.ca, which wants to see network management rules imposed on ISPs, seized on the data. "If traffic growth is slowing, then it is hard to imagine why the ISPs need to suddenly selectively throttle Internet traffic," said co-founder Steve Anderson. "The fact that ISPs are slowing access to Internet technologies that compete with their own services seems like more than just a coincidence."


The ISPs want ways to control bandwidth, either to prevent video competition with their own offerings or to further monetize their network without adding further value.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935585 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:37:19 EDT Re: If it slowing why do we need caps? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935501 me1212 : Thanks guys.

"If the MSOs would just bring their speeds back down to where their local plants, network can handle.. We'll be alright."

they won't do that for a while, then they would not be able to put caps on, if I understand what you are saying. But if thats what has to be done to remove the caps, or at least get them 500gb-1tb That would be ok. If I had CC or *insert cableco here* 500g would be enough for me to feel safe, 1t even better..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935501 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:21:47 EDT Re: If it slowing why do we need caps? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935471 OverModded :
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What IS MSO?

MSO = Multi System Operator. It means Comcast is really a group of separate operating cable systems controlled under a corporate umbrella. That is why it often happens that there is not one list of stations carried by "Comcast". Each operating company actually makes decisions and contract deals separate from the corporate parent.
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There will never do less speed, because they're banking on customers will be attracted by the huge speed, but not tell you it's all dependent on your local area.

If the MSOs would just bring their speeds back down to where their local plants, network can handle.. We'll be alright.
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"because they've decided no way in hell, you're going to view free stuff and use our bandwidth (that you've help fund)."

Yeah if they see even $0.001 of their money go away because of the IPTV they get ticked, but there not much we can do about that right now. Thats why I like DSLs like Embarq no caps, less speed, but after a certain speed I could care less.

Japan has it better they have 500gb-1tb caps and I think I read like 1gb internet.

Hopefuly in the NEAR future we can make the ISP say up fromt that have a cap, like on their main page.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935439 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:13:01 EDT Re: If it slowing why do we need caps? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21935388 Hi : Caps are put into place, to keep costs down on the network/plant side. It's also used to protect a company's revenue. I.E. Video On Demand, Movies Streams, Watching TV on your PC. That's why companies (Mainly MSOs) use this model, because they've decided no way in hell, you're going to view free stuff and use our bandwidth (that you've help fund).

It's sad in this day and age, we're using a 90's business model now of limiting what you can do with your connection. Least in Japan they cap your upload to 500gb or 1TB a month for their fiber to the home connections. But on the download side, go at it.

When we can start making this companies actually provide, instead of milking us and the gov't with handouts. We'll just be paying more for less.
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I know that expanding would cost a more than caps, but thats just in the here and now in 10yrs it could cost them, they may not have as many people sing up as they would have in the expanded, and it would have given them more money than not expanding r what ever you want to all it would have saved them.

Unfortunately, the here and now has limited ability to fund capital expenditures due to the economic recession which is expected to last this year and probably the next as well. So expansion now is very unlikely.
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As for government money NO NO NO NO! If they want MY money they HAVE to EARN it, not take it from me and pocket then give me nothing in return, on the other hand if it would mean no caps I would not mind giving them some.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21934995 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:39:06 EDT