2009 Chicago White Sox Thread in Chicago http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21945666 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:16:10 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:16:10 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23061649 hambonepat : A bad year it was. Management decided to cheap out at the beginning and it cost them dearly. They tried to get by with only 3 starters, no centerfielder, a very weak bench and an aged over the hill middle of the order. The lack of an injury to any of their 3 starting pitchers and a great move (Pod) prevented this team from being the centrals bottom dweller.

This is a major market team and has to spend money to compete. As we see the yanks, boston, Laa, and Detroit, the 4 highest salaried A.L. clubs heading on to the post season. Hopeful late in the season mgmt realized this with the acquisition of Rios and Peavy. It can not stop there. More money has to be spent to get the type of team that can and will compete with the big boys. I won't play GM at this time, I will save that for the off season thread.

Finally, Since I fully expected what happened this year, I am not disappointed in the outcome. I just hope that ownership finally realizes that magic acts happen once in a lifetime (05) and money has to used now both in acquiring players and in the minor league system.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23061649 Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:19:54 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22964053 Warzau : Finally a won game at the top of the 9th to win in the terrordome.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22964053 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:53:05 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22960641 S_engineer : well since the Sox have officially tossed in the towel, I would hope that Oz plays some of the minor leaguers they brought up today. The decision to let Thome go is a little strange, he will be missed. Now I can devote some time to the Bears and the Hawks. I hope they bring Pods back,and good riddance to Dye.
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"What was unveiled was straight out of a Ken Williams nightmare, though Peavy seemed surprised the Wes Timmons line drive did so much damage.

''It didn't hit me that hard,'' Peavy said. ''I made a good pitch after that. It didn't hit me square or I wouldn't have been able to throw another pitch. Obviously, it's swollen and a little sore.''

»www.suburbanchicagonews.com/cour···.article

Edit Update on elbow; »sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=A···ype=lgns]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22919786 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:54:13 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22919596 hambonepat : Contreras is and was around this year because he makes 10m, is not tradeable, and there is not much else in the minors. He is done starting now and Peavy is supposedly going to be up soon. We will see, if it even matters by then.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22919596 Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:56:10 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22918359 S_engineer : Once again.....can someone please tell me why the F*** Contreras is still around. Ozzie will stick with someone until they kill a season. What a waste.
And are you Posednik doubters ever going to believe he's in the running to be the team MVP?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22889336 Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:46:36 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22889285 S_engineer : Sweaty Freddie didn't look too bad....on the the other hand the last place royals still scored 5 off of him. Between him and Contreras, it looks like nostalgia tour rather than a starting pitching rotation.
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said by S_engineer See Profile :

can anyone tell me why Contreras is still on this team?
cause Freddie isn't ready yet]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22872056 Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:34:46 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22871540 jsinaiko : I dom't think they have much choice.
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And Quentin should have backed off that ball, but Rios should have caught it. I also think Rios got pimped on that foul/homer.
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Yeah, Hawk screeched. He saw it way before Pods did - I think the guy sleeps on the bases or just has really bad instincts. I would guess the latter - he doesn't dog it - he always plays hard. He's just bad at a lot of baseball things other than hitting and running.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22860071 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:34:46 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22860038 Warzau : I saw it, that was terrible, being picked off. What use is it if he bats well or steal bases when that happens. I though I was gonna go deaf when Hawked yelled " look out!" Well at least I saw some meteors while watching that long game. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22860038 Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:28:39 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22859890 jsinaiko : He got picked off TWICE last night - once when on 3rd with less than 2 outs. If it was little little league the coach would bench the kid and withold his post-game snack!

But seriously, it's unforgivable. Getting picked off third in a tie game in the late innings with only one out is a cardinal sin. Basically he took us out of 2 innings - and it isn't how innings start that count, but what has happened after they end.

I agree with you that Pods provided a spark at the top of the order that only a real lead-off guy can. But you also lose a lot when you play him - his defense and base-running, even with the steals is very bad. So a certain amount of what he brings with his talents he also negates with his deficiencies. Ozzie once said - in 2006 I think - that POds just isn't a very good baseball player. His instincts aren't great I'm sure he must get as frustrated with himself as we do!
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Now something we could all agree on is you might want to give Quentin a break....looks like hes limping every other game.
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It's a problem for him and any team that has him - it's hard to know what to do because his offense has been so important. Hopefully Rios will fill the bill on both ends.
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said by S_engineer See Profile :

but I'd hate to see Pods get less playing time since he provided the spark that got the Sox rolling.
ummm, for real? no thanks, I'll take the guy who plays CF the way it should be. not making every catch an adventure. Although Pods has hit pretty good for the first half, he is not that good that I want him in the outfield. Unless of course to be a substitute for guys doing days off, even then I'd have to think real hard about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22857213 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:56:39 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22856313 Warzau : Yeah I heard either Stone or Hawk say it was the 49th time and if the lost yesterday it would have been 50.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22856313 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:23:29 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22853863 jsinaiko : FIRST TIME THEY'VE WON WHEN LOSING IN THE 8TH.

Yikes - that's terrible.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22853863 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:27:28 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22853843 Warzau : Those Seattle games are late, I'm glad Alexei finally pulled one out. Also glad that the Sox finally came from behind win.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22853843 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:22:37 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22852520 jsinaiko : In other words, KW asked for better attendance, and got it, at least he can argue it that way.

And both Rios and Peavy will put butts in seats and sell more season tix for 2010.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22852520 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:32:30 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22851915 S_engineer : i Hope wise at least gets a board game as a departing gift. I supppose this is good for Oz, having so many choices now, but I'd hate to see Pods get less playing time since he provided the spark that got the Sox rolling.
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I have always had great respect for KW but if he was the one to finally convince the penny pincher that you have to spend a dime to earn a quarter, he is now a god. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22846974 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:34:49 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22846713 jsinaiko : Man! Another high-end high-quality player. A guy who plays a mean CF and can hit, even if he's having an off-year this year.

I love it. KW really has earned my respect and admiration. Now - who goes down (Wise?), and who losses his gig?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22846713 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:43:54 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22846193 hambonepat : Sox get Rios, Pick up his salary and give up no players in return.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22846193 Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:15:12 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22839678 hambonepat : All looks good for the future. I am not sure about this year but in this division my hope for interest through Labor Day is looking real good.(but those damn west coast trips scare the crap out of me)

KW or someone must have finally convinced the piker that you have spend $ in baseball to make some. What a coincidence how attendance has been rising with the addition of Peavy, nicer weather and our boys playing some exciting ball.

Rios is expensive but still young a good outfielder and what is really the choice for the future? I love the Pod but he is such a butcher in the field. Maybe they can DH the Pod next year if the lose Thome. Hey at least he is not a one trick pony like Thome. We will see. Lets get this series today. Oh Jose can you the see the strike zone today. I sure hope so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22839678 Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:46:36 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22839548 jsinaiko : If true it solves CF and leadoff - sorry Pods - but boy is he expensive! Maybe the jays would pay some of it, like Philly and Thome.

If it's true KW is gearing up to make the Sox a team that can compete with the big eastern division teams.

Maybe he convinced JR that you gotta spend a nickle to make a dime. I mean, attendance has picked up, and if Peavy performes as hoped, this is a good, young team. Beckham is the real deal, and Getz has really improved - he's got eh 2B job now.

And considering that Baseball Prospectus or whatever it is called the Sox for 72 and 90 season, it all looks pretty exciting!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22839548 Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:05:59 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22839279 hambonepat : When it 1st came out I thought they were blocking also. But now and a couple days later and no word that Rios has been pulled back, I am thinking they are talking with the Sox.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22839279 Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:40:04 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22838904 jsinaiko : I'm out of town but I just saw that. $60 mil over the next few years. I suspect they are just trying to block Detroit.

Nice game last night - good come from behind. For once the pen get us out of trouble the starter got us into.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22838904 Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:21:27 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22834617 hambonepat : Alex Rios of the Jay was picked off the waiver wire and rumor has it that the Sox were the ones. The Jays now have the choice of letting him go, working out a deal or pulling him back.

Rios is expensive and having a bad year but is young and a good outfielder. This could turn into something interesting.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22834617 Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:51:14 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22802598 hambonepat : Thanks, that amused me. I am sitting here with my stomach in knots like I was as a little boy either at a Sox-yanks game or waiting for it to come on the radio.

I know the division games are so much more important these days but to me there is still nothing like beating the yanks. Damn I want this sweep so bad.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22802598 Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:46:25 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22802339 jsinaiko : Jean Shephard - he died a few years ago - is the guy who wrote Christmas Story and a few other funny movies. Grew up in Hanmond and worked at the mills when he was a kid.

In the 30s when he was a kid his dad took him to games all the time - they would sit upstairs in right field, a place I used to sit a lot, near the foul pole.

Jean tells this story while sitting up there in an empty, echo-filled, ghostly off-season Comiskey Park (it was filmed in the early 80s). So they are up there playing the Yankees. His Dad really disliked Gehrig, probably because he as a collage boy. So it's a close game - Lefty Gomez vs. Ted Lyons. 8th inning. 1 - 0 Sox, Yanks up, guy on 1st. Gerhig at the plate. The park gets kind of quiet.

At this point Shepherd goes into a thing about at his age at the time - 8 or 9 - you just love your Dad to no end. He's your hero and can do no wrong under any circumstances. Anything he does is just so cool.

So his Dad stands up in the silence and shouts at the top of his lungs: "Gehrig, you're a BUM, A NEW YORK BUM!!" It echoed around the park. Everyone looked at him. In the video (I looked for it on YouTube and it wasn't there) they do a great editing job of Gehrig looking at him from the batters box.

Then there's silence. Jean just LOVES his Dad. "My dad is so cool! Look what he just did! Everyone thinks he's the coolest. He just showed that New York bum Gehrig!"

Of course Lou proceeds to hit it off the RF foul pole, and that's the game. And all the fans in the area blame his Dad. And his Dad didn't go to so many games after that and he didn't seem as cool to young Jean.

Just another sad Sox - Yankees tale. Really funny, told in Shepherd's first-person style, just like Christmas Story (it's Shepherd's voice narrating both).

I had a similar experience in 1963. I was 9. It was August. My Dad didn't do anything goofy and nobody blamed him for anything, but we were up there in the RF upper deck. Peters - rookie of the year that year - was going for #20 against the Yanks and an aging Whitey Ford. 1 - 0 Sox in the 8th. Man on 1st, Maris up. Not as dramatic as the shot in Shepard's story, but Roger did put one in the upper deck and that was the game, that was the end of Peter's quest for 20, that was the end of the Sox chance to catch the Yankees (we ended up in 2nd, 10 games out).

SO - TODAY WE SWEEP!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22802339 Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:30:06 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22802075 hambonepat : No I have not but maybe a raconteur could fill me in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22802075 Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:09:33 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22801183 jsinaiko : Did you ever see the Jean Shepherd bit about his Dad and Lou Gehrig? "Gehrig you New York bum!"
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22801183 Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:18:41 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22801023 hambonepat : Yes our 1st double digit year. Damn yanks broke my heart so many times as a kid. Very few good memories vs. the yanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22801023 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:21:23 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22800706 jsinaiko : Yeah - I remember it well - it precipitated the famous Yogi Berra - Joe Pepitone harmonica incident! I was 10.

1964 was one of my favorite Sox season! Win 98 that year.
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The $22 million in 2013 is pretty excessive, but by then Peavy will either be:

- Gone.
- The Sox will spend the $4 million to buy him out.
- He'll be an all-time Sox hero and will get the 22 mil and deserve it.

Again, I am not a JR fan, but in fairness, I think the Albert Belle thing burned the guy (I was living in Ireland in those years and missed that, along with the "white flag trade"). Whatever I have said about KW in the past, I think I was wrong - he's the ballsiest GM in town.

Sox 7 Yanks 2 in the 5th. Woo hoo!

Glad to have you back Pat!
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This is the most excited I've been in awhile. Actually since 05. I still don't know if they can do it this year but I LOVE they are actually trying to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22799962 Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:24:49 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22796675 VegasMan :
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Sox land Peavy.

Look at his salary numbers between now and 2013. KW convinced JR. Big money. Big risk. Possibly huge rewards.

Ready to pitch by the end of August.

Sox rotation at that point:

Buehrle
Peavy
Floyd
Danks
Contreras

HOLY SHIT! That's a rotation! WOO HOO!
Don't rush him back or you'll end up with what we had on the Northside in Prior. Big contract and no production.
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Look at his salary numbers between now and 2013. KW convinced JR. Big money. Big risk. Possibly huge rewards.

Ready to pitch by the end of August.

Sox rotation at that point:

Buehrle
Peavy
Floyd
Danks
Contreras

HOLY SHIT! That's a rotation! WOO HOO!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22796513 Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:03:35 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22770819 S_engineer : time to recover from Detroit. 2 games handed to them...how sad is that. The Sox better figure out where they want to be in October.
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I wont lie, I flipped on the 10 oclock news to catch the replays of that after hearing so much about it. Incredible.
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Just bowing to the reality. Although you never know...
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22759273 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:34:30 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22759271 hambonepat : I know I dont want to lose Dye and most fans feel the same way. But the Sox ownership will want a sweet home town discount from a player that has given his heart and soul to the organization. (You would think it would be just the opposite and a nice bonus would be in order)

I guess it all comes down to "You cant spend a buck if you only have 50 cents"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22759271 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:34:11 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22758551 kcazzie : Why does everyone want to see Dye let loose...?... I think he's the most consistent hitter the Sox have and I know he's getting up there but he has at least two years left... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22758551 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 06:51:05 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757897 hambonepat : Coop is fine but let him save it for the rest of the staff. Burls is like Maddux, He doesnt need for anyone to tell him how to condition. Maybe Coop was just doing what his boss wanted him to do, I dont know. But next time hes got to stick up for Burls if Ozwaldo has that idea again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757897 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:05:54 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757873 jsinaiko : Hey - I think Richard earned himself at least one more start as the result of his good game the other night.

I don't know why you are casing on Coop - he's the best in the game. He'd have a gig with his hometown Yankees in about 15 seconds if he ever left here. Ozzie and Cooper get more out of their guys than anyone I've seen in this town since The Senor. Different styles - Lopez was calm and quiet and Ozzie is a nut, but they both have done a really good job.
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And you know my feelings on Williams. The chairman should be delivering breakfast in bed for him daily.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757860 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:54:49 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757806 jsinaiko : I still disagree. 7 and 7 with a 2.86. All that tells me is that he continuously finds a way to lose. And in a really crappy league too.

I really like the chemistry of this Sox team. All the call in blovators are talking (till the perfecto today anyhow) about trading the world for Halliday. I hope not. Save it for later. After all, after this season Dye and Contreras are probably gone, so let's just party on.

If us fans are patient with them we will have one of thebest infields in the game, offense and defense. Pitching? The farm is pretty deep. Did you see that guy Torres yesterday? Not bad. And Poreda will be back. So I'm not concerned about Vasquez - he's fine where he is, in the NL. Maybe this team doesn't have what it takes, or maybe they are playing over their heads, but for the moment I'll enjoy the situation. And who knows? They may come out of the upcoming weekend a game or two in front. Wouldn't that be something?

As you know, I'm no fan of JR, but his management team: KW, Ozzie, Scott Reifert, etc. are all outstanding.

I'm feeling pretty good about the present and the future.
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And you mentioned that Milton and Steve Stone never saw a No No. You guys have Milton :D, we have Melton.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757777 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:32:03 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757604 S_engineer : Hats off to you Mr. Buehrle....that was truly impressive. I hope his mojo can translate to the rest of the team. I'd like to thank the Cub fan for stopping in, shows class and a true appreciation of baseball. The Tiger series will be interesting but thats all moot compared to today. This is your day Mr. Buehrle so enjoy.....
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I take Burls knowing what he should do over what Coop tells him to do. And I am sure Coop wont be telling Burls anything about his off season work this year.

Oh and btw it was never about what Vazquez brought to the table this year, it was what he would taken away from the chairman feast table.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757253 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:49:40 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757222 jsinaiko : Javy was a cancer. He's not missed.

Sure they have time to tank. But these guys are playing well and have been for a while now.

Ozzie will NEVER shut his trap and the players know not to take this too seriously - Ozzie doesn't.

And if I'm a pitcher I listen to Coop. He knows his shit - the best in the game right now.
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As I have always stated I just want interest in the Sox till Labor Day anything past that is gravy. We havent had too many years of interest that long.

This team has surprised me but so has the division. I never expected it to be as bad as it is. Cleveland and KC are real disappointments. Detroit should be better than they are and Minnie is what I expected.

The over/under on the Sox wins was 78 and at this stage with the 2nd half schedule, under is still a real possibility.

I hate to beat a dead horse but if "He" didnt cheap out by not getting Hudson and keeping Vazquez, The Sox could be running away with this and filling the park and his pockets at the same time.

Finally, KW is the best magician since Harry Houdini. I just wish the piker would give him a piece of the action, rather than holiday turkeys.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757212 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:41:09 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757102 jsinaiko : Don't eat crow! Just enjoy - these guys were supposed to lose 90 games.
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said by jsinaiko See Profile :

C'mon Pat - you seem to have such sour grapes about anyone who has anything to do with Sox management!

I very much doubt that either Don or Ozzie had any problem with Mark's off-season work. Don't believe everything you read or hear on WMVP or WSCR.

Here ya

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I am so glad you got to see the game today. It must have been so damn cool.

I dont have time now, but will be back in action soon to eat a little crow but not much.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22757065 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:14:31 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22756973 jsinaiko : Hell, I didn't even really notice that is was a perfect game-in-the-making, or even a no-no till the 6th. Mark works very fast and he has been pitching brilliantly as of late, so to me it was a fairly typical performance. My kid and his cousin were very aware of it right away, but as 13-year-olds, they were staying as far away from me as possible.

My wife was late - she got there in the 6th and looked at the scoreboard and said "have the Rays really not gotten any hits?" And I realized what I had been watching - "holy shit - he's get a perfect game going!"

I was too bust watching the other games board and seeing if Seattle was really going to beat the Tigers, which meant that the Sox would be tied for 1st if they won.

That said, no-hitters are somewhat boring in terms of action. Buehrle was just grinding away, as usual. But Wise's catch was outstanding. It was a home run off the bat. He caught it when it was above the yellow line - it was about out of there. And it's nice for Wise - he's a career minor leaguer who is getting his cup of coffee in the bigs as a P/T player and he gets to share in the glory - good for him! Plus a few weeks ago in Minnesota my kid got his autograph and he was a very nice guy according to my Sister-in-law.
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But this one was special not many close plays except for that foul ball down 3rd and Wise's outstanding catch...

Also forgot heard Sad Sam Jones No No on radio as a very young kid, while the family was in the car on vacation... If I remember right he walked about 7 batters and the bases loaded in the 9th but still got the NO No,,, He was also the first African American to throw a No no,,,]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22756812 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:36:00 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22756788 Warzau :
said by insomniac See Profile :

Congrats from this Cubs fan! :D That was an awesome game.
Thank you a genuine Baseball fan, you should see how many other Cubs "fans" I see on other sites bashing him. Sheesh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22756788 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:32:36 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22756603 jsinaiko : I'm pleased to say that I was there - Box 147, Row A, Seat 1.

Woo hoo! And I'm just as pleased to report that I have Mark on my fantasy league team.

C'mon Pat - you seem to have such sour grapes about anyone who has anything to do with Sox management!

I very much doubt that either Don or Ozzie had any problem with Mark's off-season work. Don't believe everything you read or hear on WMVP or WSCR.

This team - pegged to go 70 - 92 by Baseball Prospectus - is now tied for 1st and is heading into a huge 4 game series with the Tigers. So I don't know about crow, but I know that both Cooper and Guillen have done outstanding work whether or not the Sox stay competitive this season (and I think they will).

It's a deep team - we don't need no Doc Halliday of Jake Peavy - with marvelous chemistry. They played pretty bad for about six weeks but have now come together. There is still plenty of time for them to tank, but Ozzie seems to be able to get the most out of his guys and Cooper really is the best pitching coach I've ever seen. Everyone involved deserves tremendous credit. They have a very young, inexperienced infield, but they all have potential and (with the occasional exception of Alexi) are learning fast.

I like this team and have said this all season. I think they have as good a chance as any to make the playoffs. After that? Who knows?
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I wonder how that crow tastes for Cooper and Ozwaldo regarding them not liking Burls off season training regiment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22755765 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:26:56 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22755755 insomniac : Congrats from this Cubs fan! :D That was an awesome game.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22755755 Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:24:13 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22755730 kcazzie : Un-feakin' real... What a game and one of the best situation catches I've ever seen... I was at Don Cardwells No Hitter and Walt "Moose" Moryn made a 3 out catch to save the No-No... But Wise's catch was unreal...

Congrats... to Mark Buehrle :)

Edit; Number 263 with an * for a PERFECT GAME...

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Yeah, what's coming is more Tampa, Detroit, The Twinkies in the dome, the Yankees, and the Red Sox. On paper they are better teams than the Sox, but as Ozzie points out, if the Sox want to play up there with the big boys, they gotta beat the big boys. So maybe they can! Or not - we will see.

Or as my little league coach used to tell us, "if you beat bad teams that doesn't mean you are a good team!" So we'll see. Gonna be an interesting 2 1/2 weeks.
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Considering that they are just 1.5 games out of first, we sure have been quiet lately!
we know whats coming :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22739121 Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:17:18 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22733856 Warzau : Been on vacation and sporadically checking in.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22733856 Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:45:26 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22732795 jsinaiko : Considering that they are just 1.5 games out of first, we sure have been quiet lately!
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and Dotel is gonna throw another one away. Sheesh!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654256 Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:38:03 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22654062 jsinaiko : How bout them Sox? Playing great and within striking distance.

This is still a streaky team, and the bats will get quiet again, but the general trend is UP! :D
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And why couldnt Fields perform like this when he had the starting spot?

Thiss team is a breathe away from either being really good or really bad.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22623381 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:36:00 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22621675 Warzau : Congrats Beckham 1st ML RBI is the game winner. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22621675 Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:45:30 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22612472 jsinaiko : I think Carlos will continue to fall victim to various injuries - it's what his history indicates.

In spite of the inconsistent play I like this team. I like Getz, Beckham, Nix, Ramirez, and good old Scopo. And I'm not worried about payroll.

It's still a wide-open division.

If you are referring to Alexi's bonehead plays over the past few days - screwing up easy plays but making the hard ones - I agree. And Ozzie ripped him after the game, calling him "lazy."

Ozzie will shape the guy up.
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OH BTW: As of today the top 4 PR teams in the AL would be in the playoffs. Spending money does matter no matter what uncle skinflint jerry and his followers think.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22600904 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:56:31 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22600343 jsinaiko : Sox weren't gonna hit Kuroda guy anyhow. His stuff is outstanding.

It is interesting watching Poreda - looks kinda good. One of my peoples - that rare Jewish player, along with Kevin Youkalis, Moe Berg, Sandy Koufax, Lou Gehrig, and a few others.
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Now on to the pen which has been the key this year. Dotel will be gone after this year, Linebrink is I think about done, and Thornton and Jenks will be FA's after next year. Both will command big bucks and long term contracts and you know the misers philosophy. I havent seen or heard about anyone in the system that can fill in and we are talking about 4 major bullpen slots. Look at the Tribe and what can happen without a pen. That has to be addressed for the future.

Edit: Thornton has a club option through 2011 but the pen still has to be addressed soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22587888 Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:51:41 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22587762 jsinaiko : I still think - in spite of the inconsistent off/on offense, shaky bullpen (like all of MLB), and bonehead defensive play, that this is an OK team with a real chance at the division, especially with the addition of the major league-ready Beckham.

Saturday night with its 5 errors was appalling, and that's what a young and fairly inexperienced infield will get you at times - Alexi often makes the really tough plays and makes errors on easy ones. Getz has screwed up in a lot of rookie ways, and Beckham is clearly just getting used to 3rd. But I like all of them, especially Ramirez and now Beckham, and think they will be OK for now, and really good in the future. And Beckham's bat is already beginning to come around.

Yeah, they probably should have sprung for Hudson - and they could have gotten him cheap as it turned out, which is KW and Jerry's style - but they wouldn't be all that much better with the guy.

The real problem is that no big-market team is allowed to say that they are rebuilding and developing young players - they have to try and go for it every year or else risk losing attendance and TV ratings. Paulie's value will never be higher - why not move him for a slew of kids? Flowers will be ready next season or in 2011. Poreda, seeing limited action with the big club looks pretty nice.

So there is a lot to be encouraged about and a decent amount of talent to either move for lots of kids or keep to try and win the thing. I'd hate to say goodbye to Paulie and Dye - two exemplary players. And Thome too, but it's gonna happen eventually, might as well let it happen when KW can maximize their value.

But you can't say you are rebuilding.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22582164 Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:04:27 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22580572 hambonepat : When you say no way for Vazquez and 10m its like it will be put to better use. You have been a Sox fan for as long as me, a half a century and watched the past quarter century regime. You should know better, $$$ saved doesn't mean it will be used later. All it means is that ownership will make more money. Let me know how that saving 10m helped the team this year.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22580572 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:43:34 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22580141 jsinaiko : OK, I stand corrected re. the Yanks. So I'll modify that. How often did they get to the 2nd round. Remember, we are talking $225 million! THat's by far the biggest payroll in the game.

As for Javy Vasquez at $10 million? NO WAY! Javy is 4 - 6 with a 3.41 ERA right now, with 92 IP. About normal for him Decent stats, but he finds a way to lose. I'm glad he's gone. He couldn't win anything that meant anything.

Starting pitching isn't the Sox problem - it's scoring runs. The bullpen blowup yesterday has been fairly rare for the Sox this season - compare their pen to other teams.

We are 4 games out in the 2nd half of June! What's with all the panic? Look at the Cubs thread and other discussions elsewhere. Let the girlie-men on the North side pee in their pants. I very much believe that the Sox have as good a chance as anyone to take the division and after that, anything can happen - look at the 06 Cardinals.

As for Hudson - well, maybe, but he isn't a panacea. I mean, do you think De Rosa would save the Cubs right now? Or that the immortal Aaron Rowand is the answer for the Sox? The AL Central has gone from a strong division to a weak one, and that's fine for the Sox right now.

The reborn Bronze Titan, as he was called in Cuba is going tonight. I'm gonna sit back. relax, eat a pork chop sandwich and pop a cold one and enjoy the Sox beating up on a weak NL Central team.
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The Cubs will be ok and yea some moves didn't work out but at least they tried. That is all I would ever want to see a team do and if the moves don't pan out I wouldn't be upset.

And I hate to keep trying to convince you this but if the chairman of cheap would have just keep payroll as is from last year they could have run away with this division. A Orlando Hudson, a Javier Vazquez and who knows who else would look real nice on current roster.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22579895 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:15:35 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22579739 jsinaiko : This time the Bears did something I NEVER EVER EVER thought they would do - get a real friggin QB. If the Sox really do tank we can get interested in football a month or two early.

Bears are gonna be fine.

Last Hawks game I went to was with a friend. He said "let's go to the stadium and see the Hawks. They are playing the Oilers who have a rookie who is supposed to be really good. I think his name is Gretsky or something."

That was in 1981 or something.

Bulls? The 1990s are a hard act to follow. Let's see what they do with Rose et al.
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said by jsinaiko See Profile :

. The alternative in this town is just pain and stupidity.
What about the Bears? or The Bulls or the Hawks? Take us to almost and then break our hearts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22579654 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:21:42 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22579532 jsinaiko : For the dough the Yanks are paying - a $225 million payroll - they had better expect more than just the playoffs.

We have the better part of 100 games left.

The Yanks have missed the playoffs plenty this decade. Hell, the Sox have one of the best records in baseball over the past ten years, and have gotten to the playoffs three times and one one WS. Not all that shabby.

Go over to the Cubs thread and see what they are whinging about and consider yourself a lucky guy to be a Sox fan. The alternative in this town is just pain and stupidity.
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I am still hoping for some kinda interest till Labor Day. But at least it appears I will have interest till the 4th of July, I hope.

One more thing, KW is the best garbage picker I have ever seen. The Pod is the Sox MVP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22579296 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:19:39 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22577969 jsinaiko : Lots of righties on the farm - no nned for a trade. Can't be worse than Scott right now.

As for the payroll thing, you have to make s distinction between the Yankees and Red Sox and everyone else. Those two have huge markets and money coming out of their arses. LA Angels aren't doing as mcu as even the Cubs.

KW has been prudent, Henrdy has been a wastrel and spendthrift. Would you want Peavy now, given his health and the huge 2013 option year? Not me. I'm still fine with the Sox. 3.5 out, 98 games to go. Great starting pitching, and the unsung hero, playing for the MLB minimum. SCOPO! All is fine on the South side IMO. All any of us can ask for is that we be in contention, and that the Sox are. Again, ask the Yankees what that payroll has gotten them over the past 8 to 10 years?
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You mentioned the Sox replacing Linebrink, I highly doubt that, this time of year a team has to overpay for pitching and that is something the Sox never do. Last year they could have went after Chad Bradford and Paul Byrd and they cheaped out, I don't see things being different this year. The only addition they got last year was Junior and he probably sold enough tickets to justify his salary.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22575800 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:36:00 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22575714 jsinaiko : I doubt Ozzie will trust him much now. He's already been burned by MacDougal too many times.

We should be able to find another rightie to replace the guy. OK, off to Cinci.

And BTW, how does that #3 payroll in all of MLB look to you? Money ain't everything in this game.
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Un F-ing believable!! and there you have it a game that should have been won. Reminds me of the Bears.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22573730 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:38:48 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22573619 S_engineer : well, they're beating the Cubs....but it's looking kind of grim for konerko. I'd hate to see his replacement being Fields....maybe Nix could give it a shot. A hypothetical of course, but if theres any remote shot at contention, then that position better have a plan B!

EDIT* Someone give Linebrink a knife so he can go do the honorable thing!
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I'd be happy with two 2-game home/home series - a total of 4 games. And forget the other interleague stuff. Just play the Twins and Astros.
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I agree the Cubs Sox thing 10 years ago was fun and maybe ever 5 years but to do this every year loses a lot... It's not like the Sox playing the Twins/Detroit ... If the Sox lose to the Twins they lose a game, if the lose to the Cubs and Twins lose, they lose nothing in the standings it's a wash...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22561927 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:02:10 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22557578 S_engineer : you're right J, the division is up for grabs.... but that really doesn't say alot for this division. I watch this teamwith enthusiasm and all I see is breakdowns of multiple components everyday. This to me feels like another year where I keep waiting for them to pull out of thier slump,,,,and waiting.....and waiting. The Cub games should be interesting.....if we can't win the series then we must defeat the Cubs!
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Seriously, I'm not a big fan of the Sox - Cubs thing or of inter-league play. I think it takes away from the more important inter-division stuff - I'd rather by playing Detroit or KC. But it was a fun novelty for a while.

And this season, with both teams under-performing it ought to be interesting and perhaps violent. Yummy!
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said by jsinaiko See Profile :

98 games to go. Up next - those hard-hittin Cubbies! Maybe we can bean Bradley and get a real donnybrook going!
LOL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22554459 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:12:18 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22553728 jsinaiko : I still say this division is up for grabs and that KW still has moves to make.

Remember where the Tribe was in the 1st half of 05 and how they almost took it? The Sox are 4.5 out and 83 to 85 wins can take this division.

98 games to go. Up next - those hard-hittin Cubbies! Maybe we can bean Bradley and get a real donnybrook going!
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I think it will soon be time we should begin discussion where we want to be at the end of this year with regards to personel. We are firmly into June and we are still playing wheel-o-starting line up. WTF!
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This should have been our chance to gain some ground. Do we toss in the towel now with youth, or work to bring hard to bring the geritol brigade back to life. We stranded way to many players these past few games, and decent starting pitching can not overcome a lack of strategic hitting.

Konerko may be done already if hes getting his thumb worked on this early, and plantar facitis will plague Quentin for a long time. I pray I'm wrong on those 2 predictions.
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why do you have ramirez attempt to bunt?
why is wise playing so shallow?

This is potentially a good team. Too bad they're changing the line-up on an hourly basis. They'll never have continuity with all of the fluctuations in the roster.
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thanks all,

Scott]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22499806 Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:39:42 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22496218 Warzau : It was painful to watch him miss that grounder. Yipes!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22496218 Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:17:26 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22494289 jsinaiko : Won't miss Betemit either - worst fielder I have ever seen.
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»blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribu···led.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22493202 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:15:56 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22488059 hambonepat : Its more than just striking out. Its striking out and has no power. If he was striking out like Dave Kingman and had his power, that would be another story.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22488059 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:46:38 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22487541 jsinaiko : I hope Fields knows that - I've rarely seen a major leaguer strike out as much or as badly as he does.
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Need to keep it up...
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but look at the other side of town!
Nahhh, ...we all know what their end result will be.
Our side of town has been looking relatively good these past few games...especially your boy Pods.....I still see troubles ahead with the absolute absence of speed in the middle of the order. But i predict we'll lose someone in a trade deal...most likely Dye. Nice to see Ramirez playing baseball again. Josh Fields is now the reigning question mark!
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Hey - it was a decent home stand and a gtood start to the road trip. We have been stinking it up, but look at the other side of town! That has gotta be a tough deal right now.
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As I wrote earlier: "They say he'd rather stay in the NL - and what pitcher wouldn't? Lousier hitters, fewer innings pitched and thus less chance of injury or arm blow-out."

It's an easier life for pitchers in the NL. Hopefully we will get to meet the guy in the WS and validate his concerns about his ability to pich against real MLB hitters in the AL.
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A downer of a day...
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If they are trying to work something out, and Peavy hasn't rejected it yet, it doesn't look too bad. Also, I'm not sure how they can alter an existing contract to effect a deal. The Chicago papers are saying anything about that.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22424050 Thu, 21 May 2009 17:06:53 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22424020 hambonepat : It always about the money, the rest is a smoke screen.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22424020 Thu, 21 May 2009 17:01:28 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22424003 jsinaiko : It is a long way away - but 22 million is a lot, even for the Yankees.

Also, as one pundit pointed out, "Jake is running out of places to go." So he'll have to compromise.

This guy is the real deal, even if he isn't quite what he was a couple of years ago, and he's just 28, so he's entering his prime years. The$60 million (more or less) that 10, 11, and 12 represent are fine. The 22 million for 13 GUARANTEED are a problem.

They say he'd rather stay in the NL - and what pitcher wouldn't? Lousier hitters, fewer innings pitched and thus less chance of injury or arm blow-out.

I hear that The Cell and its home run tendencies are an issue too, but if Beurhle can win here, so can Peavy.
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Also espn national radio stated the Sox were trying to restructure his last year.

2013 is a long way off, hopefully it was wont be Jr's responsibility by then.

Desperate times calls for desperate measures.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22423965 Thu, 21 May 2009 16:49:25 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22423880 jsinaiko : That's 22 million in 2013. I don't know if they can do that - I wouldn't. His option is for $22 million in 2013.

He makes $8 million this year, $10 million in 2010, $12 million in 2011, and $15 million in 2012. I can see that, but $22 million in 2013? Nah.

Where did you see that?
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Peavy hasn't OKed it yet... Can't say they're not trying... I know they need hitting but they need pithing just as bad,,,

»sandiego.padres.mlb.com/news/art···&c_id=sd

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Edit; Score (670am) just said news from SD deal doesn't look good...!!!...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22422429 Thu, 21 May 2009 12:31:25 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22421870 jsinaiko : If this is true - watch out!

»blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribu···avy.html
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Anderson is back - that's good.

Lillebridge is back down on the farm - that's good.

Fields is hitting about .217 - that's bad. Very bad. And last night he was swinging at pitches that were 2' outside.

Danks? We find out tonight if he's figured anything out.

Contreras? Kicking ass down in AAA. The question is, does he still have the ability to get MLB hitters out or is he sort of a AAAA pitcher?
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My friend I have told you so many times already but for some reason you keep blocking it, The Mets, Yanks, Detroit and Cubs will be in the hunt for MONTHS more than the Sox. That's what its all about, being competitive, which the Sox are not.

Finally, Since you have become one of Jerry Kids there is nothing I can say now that I haven't explained in many previous posts that will change your mind about the Sox finances. If you think you are getting a fair shake for what you are paying to go to games, God Bless and enjoy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22403243 Sun, 17 May 2009 19:49:52 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22402392 S_engineer : Turning them off to watch the Hawks...and the fact that they're giving me an ulser. Miller is seeing way too much playing time...3 strikeouts that made him look bad. Thome can't even run anymore. I need a vacation....half the team looks like they're the geriatric society and the other half looks like they don't belong in the majors. No leardership whatsoever.....it's becoming hard to watch.
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And you use the same opthamologist I do...across from Christ Hosp.. As far as the salary, remember is was Quentin and Ramirez that were holding the team up for a stretch last year, not Dye, Konerko, or Thome. And even when Dye/Konerko/Thome get on base, you have to have additional hits just to get them to rotate bases because they do not move more than 1 base per hit!
Theres hope for Nix, and Getz....but Lilli needs to get sent back to the minors. Pods may be a fan favorite, but he needs outperform everyone to sell himself. I agree Contreras is done...give him his gold watch and say cya!We'll see what clusterfudge happens today
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I think Colon is gonna be OK. If Richard is the #5 it ain't so bad. But none of that is important in light of the problems that Floyd and Danks seem to be having.

We can argue that they have spent money in the wrong places, but not that they haven't spent money. Where are the Yankees right now? Or Houston? Has Detroit gotten good value for it's expenditure? Or the Mets? Or the Cubs for that matter? Meanwhile, the Twins are 30 MILLION below the Sox and look at them.

Time will tell, but you cannot look at the Sox situation in a vacuum, which is what I think you are doing.

1. NY Yankees 201,449,189
2. NY Mets 147,417,987
3. Cubs 134,809,000
4. Boston 121,745,999
5. Detroit 115,085,145
6. LA Angels 113,309,000
7. Philly 113,004,046
8. Houston 102,996,414
9. LA Dodgers 100,008,592
10. Seattle 98,904,166
11. Atlanta 96,726,166
12. White Sox 96,068,500
13. St. Louis 88,528,409
14. SF 82,616,450
15. Cleveland 81,579,166
16. Toronto 80,538,300
17. Milwaukee 80,182,502
18. Colorado 74,800,000
19. Cincinnati 73,558,500
20. Arizona 73,516,666
21. KC 70,108,333
22. Texas 68,178,798
23. Baltimore 67,101,666
24. Minnesota 65,299,266
25. Tampa Bay 63,313,034
26. Oakland 62,310,000
27. Washington 59,928,000
28. Pittsburgh 48,690,000
29. San Diego 43,734,200
30. Florida 36,834,000
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22401918 Sun, 17 May 2009 12:43:58 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22401749 Warzau : Man when is this slump gonna end....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22401749 Sun, 17 May 2009 11:52:15 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22400317 jsinaiko : The way he's pitching right now, he doesn't deserve that either.
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said by jsinaiko See Profile :

They just signed Floyd to a big new contract. Was that a mistake?

4 years at 15.5m is not a big contract.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22400062 Sat, 16 May 2009 21:18:05 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22400016 hambonepat : "Real" 4 and 5 starters (Vazquez was ours and Garland was available) could have been kept or bought considering Floyd who was a head case and probably always will be one. Colon will never finish out the year (but will finish every buffet) and Contreras who was done 2 years ago.

Right now, I would be knocking on guys like Paul Byrds door or other scrap heap pitchers just to show there is still interest in keeping this team competitive, although it is probably too late but is still nice PR.

I still can't believe a guy like you doesn't see through all the BS. It is all about the money, always has been about the money and always will be all about the money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22400016 Sat, 16 May 2009 21:03:40 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22399925 jsinaiko : Dr. Mike Leahy in Oak Lawn. Just got new lenses from him a couple of weeks ago.

If it is injury that gets them there is no way to judge - to me it's still about the starting pitching. The hitting will come around a little, and if the pitching holds up they'll be fine.

NOW - as it stands, the starting pitching is awful right now. Danks is really stinking it up, as is Floyd, and we know about Contreras. Contreras probably ain't coming back. Danks and Floyd need to get their shit together or yeah, we are screwed, but not because they didn't spend dough. They just signed Floyd to a big new contract. Was that a mistake? Maybe, but Floyd and Danks' horrid performances have hurt the Sox more than anything else, along with two failures by Linebrink, and bad hitting by guys who are supposed to be able to hit.

So I still argue it isn't the dough. But that don't mean it looks good either - today was a bad loss.
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Looks like Quentin may be going on DL. And you still have hope. Please give the name of your ophthalmologist, I really need some of those special tinted specs you wear.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22399769 Sat, 16 May 2009 19:53:04 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22399734 jsinaiko : I think the team here is the Chicago Orgasm.

I'm ready - the hell with the Sox, Jay Cutler, the Black Hawks, I want lingerie football!

Where are they playing?
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said by jsinaiko See Profile :

I'm sorry the Sox are making you so miserable. Maybe you should switch to lingerie football! ;)
Comeon, You know that is way too intense for guys our age.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22399729 Sat, 16 May 2009 19:40:36 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22399624 S_engineer : The Sox need sequential motivation. The all have bits and pieces but their times never synchronize. They also need a schedule...even for a freakin week. Play the same batters in the same order and let them actually know whos coming up behind them. I'm not panicing yet...however it's coming to a point where you say what the hell are they doing?

As far as the salary goes...its a non-issue IMO. They all have stretches where they're absolutely non-productive. That applies to high and low end players. The problem is they all seem to be non-productive at this point. As soon as the Wizard of Oz is done playing pick-up-sticks with the line up...we'll snap out of it!
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Talking about contending for the division (or not) isn't serious on May 16th. The Sox are exactly three games worse off now than they were exactly one year ago. That isn't the issue.

All this panic! I thought that was what the nervous nellies and superstitious yuppies on the North side did.

There is a lot to be nervous about and to worry about but to say on May 16th that any team is that much better than another is not serious. The Sox are 3 games out. Doesn't sound too disastrous to me. Detroit is tied for 1st with KC. OOOOH Scaaaary! Let's just pack opur bags and retreat to AAA right now.

I surrender!

I really think you are letting your hatred of Rheinsdorf - certainly a hate-able guy unless you are one of his ass-kissers - get in the way of your having fiun with this.

KC is improved, but do you expect them to be there in September? The Twinkies are not improved, but they are always tough. As for the Tigers - their rotation of Bonderman (good), Robertson (bad), Galarraga (who knows?), Verlander (OK), and the rest ain't any better than the Sox. Contreras seems to be finished, but Colon still appears to have some arm left.

We'll see once they have 60 games in. But right now if the Sox are only 3 games out, as bad as they are playing, they still have a good shot.

I'm sorry the Sox are making you so miserable. Maybe you should switch to lingerie football! ;)
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Ideally everyone would like to be like the twins but that will take a long time of minor league development, so until than time, he has to open his change purse.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22398121 Sat, 16 May 2009 11:40:02 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22397706 jsinaiko : Ozzie agrees with you.

"That's my 39th different lineup," Guillen said sarcastically. "When your manager changes the lineup every day, it's not a good sign of a winning club."

No run production and really bad starting pitching. Only 4 games under .500, so no huge worries yet, but another week of this and they will be in real trouble.

I still disagree with Pat that is is all about spending dough, but now that we are in the middle of May, the signs are very worrisome. Talk to Mike Ilich, the guy who owns the Tigers about what spending all that money on Cabrera, Gary Sheffield, and the rest has done for the Tigers.

Still, this is depressing. And it's the new guys who are tanking offensively. Fields is now benched for a few days, Lillebridge can't hit MLB pitching, Quentin is in a slump, and Pods is a butcher.

I'm still waiting for June 1 before I panic.
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I was very critical of konerko in the past, and hes been a shining light this season. Getz looks good, and its just a matter of a few days before Quentin snaps out of it. We'll see what Clayton Richard will do now.
Center field...the perenial problem. Getz? Nix? or Anderson/Wise when healthy. We have too many 2nd baseman and no center fielders to write home about.
We'll get it...a will be a long season.
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Ok My friend, enjoy your final few weeks. I will hope for the Hawks to give me interest the next couple weeks and then a long hot summer without Sox baseball. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22374526 Mon, 11 May 2009 22:32:35 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22374444 jsinaiko : I got into a fight with a guy - one of the mods - on WS Interactive last year about how long 2005 gives them a pass.

He said 10 years. I told him that was loser talk. But I think that 2005, plus last season - their ability to squeak it out with smoke and mirrors and Ozzie managing his ass off - gives them this season IMO.

In the same sense that the awful 07 season shortened my (and a lot of other peoples) patience.

If they manage to compete this season I'll extend my patience. If this year looks more like 2007 I'll get pissed off again. But I gotta give em a chance, and that means waiting till after 6/1 to pass too much judgment.
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I like KW but he really didn't do much as minor director and the minors didn't do much when he was GM. I hope this Buddy Bell regime will finally pay dividends but that will take time.

In the mean time you will see a yearly JR smoke and mirror show to get the people in the park. And as long as people keep remembering 05, hoping against realty and keep forgetting the type of owner this guy really is, this club will be a joke. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22374353 Mon, 11 May 2009 22:00:20 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22374284 jsinaiko : My belief is that the $$ don't help all that much UNLESS you have the system too.

Yanks are a good example of that. Their payroll has been over $200 million all decade, and they have zero championships to show for it, not even an AL title.

Whereas the Twins have zillions of playoff appearances, and two WS titles in the last 20 years with one of the lowest payrolls in MLB and a great system.

Last year KW canned the entire development team and hired Buddy Bell to run the system. He's only a year in - let's see what he develops. Empirically it seems KW was right. The only home-grown prospect that has done well is Chris Young. Bell will have his shot.

And oh yeah, the Sox are still in the top 10 in terms of payroll, even with it's going down this season.

As I said before, when it comes to Jerry, I agree with you, but I try not to let my strong dislike of the guy color my thinking entirely - otherwise it wouldn't be any fun.
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Put out the bucks or have a great farm system.

The Sox don't have a good farm system and until they do, you gotta lay out the bucks.


But of course in order to have a great farm system you have to put out money. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22374240 Mon, 11 May 2009 21:36:42 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22374123 jsinaiko : Oh, I get it, but still, the season is young.

Right now they continue to tank - tonight against the MLB-worst Tribe.

Pods is a butcher, especially in the OF, and particularly in CF. I'd rather see Lillibridge there if it has to be one of them.

The AL Central has somehow gone from being one of the best divisions in baseball to one of the worst. This team is capable of winning the division. Not bloody likely, but it's possible.

All I am saying is, give it another few weeks before writing off the season. We all know that Rheinsdorf is a shit. But he was a shit in 05 too.

Finally, I spent a lot of time raging at these guys last season and what did they do? Win the friggin division. So this year I am chilling.

The Cubs payroll (and the Yankees) prove that money can't buy you titles. And Minnesota's continuing contention shows that you can win without a big payroll. So I am not worried about how big it is - I just want them to win. Minimum salary or not.
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3-3 with a 4 era is a solid #3 with the Sox now. But with the kinda $$$ he was making he was worthless.

And you KNOW how I feel, KW is just an employee and has to do what he has to do. He is told to cut payroll and he does what he has to do. He was unable to dump in any other way.

I have no panic, I saw this coming a long time ago. But what is funny is a someone that has followed the Sox as long as I and didn't and still doesnt get it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22374018 Mon, 11 May 2009 20:57:10 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22373662 jsinaiko : Time will tell. They had EXACTLY the same record after the same number of games a year ago.

And are you complaining about the "salary dumps" of Swisher and Javy?

Like Swish could be of assistance this year? if you want to go after KW, do for GETTING the bum in the first place!

The Vasquez situation is trickier. He drove me nutso, but some folks liked the number of innings he ate up. Right now he's 3 - 3 with an ERA of about 4 for the Braves.

Time will tell. All this panic stuff in May is pretty funny. Relax - it's gonna be a long season. And maybe a crappy one. Or maybe not.
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They've proven themselves in this dividion, Ozzie needs to stick with a group of starters and let them play
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This whole off season was a disgrace with all the BS that was feed to the fans. I hope the rose colored glasses will finally be taken off by all the good Sox fans who received that false hope and thought a snake could change color because of 05. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22368425 Sun, 10 May 2009 19:01:53 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22362155 jsinaiko : According to Ozzie, Jose is out of the rotation for now. He has a history of this - being bad, losing his job, and then concentrating and getting it back.

Remember the first half of 05 - he was a butcher, and then became un-hittable.

Anderson was doing OK when he got hurt - he was up in the .280s and is a good defensive CF. But CF, along with the 1 hole are problems. Maybe Nix can play CF?
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22362155 Sat, 09 May 2009 00:18:51 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22362133 S_engineer : While I agree Pods is off to a soft start, Anderson and Wise have been given ample opportunity to show off their less than stellar talents. Another question is do you want to toss every fifth game continuing the Contreras experiment? And just where if anywhere does Lillibridge fit in? Sooner or later Oz is going to have to settle with a consistent batting order instead of pulling names out of a hat every day. I just hope he does it soon so the regular rotation can know where they stand.
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The offense will eventually get going. Right now they miss (believe it or not) Anderson. Pods is a butcher in the OF, and ain't much at the plate either.

If Colon continues to pitch well I am not worried about Contreras - he's just the #5.

The division looks competitive, but I don't see anyone who is so much better than the Sox that we have no chance. It isn't like the NL West before the suspension of Manny. Any of the AL Central teams can do it, including the Sox.
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said by S_engineer See Profile :

they seem to be in a hurry to call games due to weather these days.
I bet that has a lot to do with how concession sales are doing at Sox park tonight.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22350789 Wed, 06 May 2009 20:09:35 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22350466 S_engineer : i doubt they'll play tonite. they seem to be in a hurry to call games due to weather these days. another thing, the more the sox get beaned with balls the weaker they look.
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He should be singing showtunes for the Cubs with that name!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22346398 Wed, 06 May 2009 00:50:33 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22322312 S_engineer : Fridays here....lets see if we get Thome and Getz back.

If Thome is still injured , then maybe Getz could be DH giving him more time to heal that finger. They're starting to look good, but they're still stranding to many!
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"He might pinch-hit, but I'm not going to lose a guy for 12 days when he has a couple more days to get ready," Guillen said. "I go by ear. He gave me the answer, but it wasn't a 'for sure' one."

Second baseman Chris Getz pronounced his middle right finger ready to return, but Guillen was undecided on whether to start him in Wednesday's series finale."
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He'll have it a bit more set by the time the weather warms up - this sort of weather is not good for Thome's back - and he always has dinked around with the order.

I'm OK with the situation to date. Not even may yet.
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Every time I watch now theres been radical changes to the order. Thome is on the bench today...why?
The Sox will be as inconsistent as their batting order. I wish Ozzie would recognize this fact!
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I'm not worried - yet.
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And good f***ing riddance to MacDougal. he was single handedly giving me an ulcer!
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I guess they waited till they got Obama's permission! ;)

Seriously, who they bringing up?
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»sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4086955]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22274077 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:22:52 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22264029 jsinaiko : It's April - Ozzie is experimenting. It's fun! We took 3 out of 4 from some guys we couldn't beat at all last season. On to Baltimore.
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said by jsinaiko See Profile :

they are still a 16" softball team at times,
I still have deformed fingers from softball. They played good today...on a side note as Explorer 8 freezes...I liked the Lilli/Getz 1-2 slot. Its now like they're throwing names in a hat to see whos playing and in what order, with of course the exception being 3-4--5-6 slots.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22262826 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:39:05 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22259602 jsinaiko : Doing better and manufacturing runs tonight - last night was a fluke in that Thornton usually doesn't do that.

Tonight they are beating up a good pitcher with the HR and with baserunning.

And Mark is continuing to look really, really good. ERA now under 2.25 and he'll probably be 2-0 after this game.

I like this team Yeah, they are still a 16" softball team at times, but Lillebridge and Getz will make a difference.
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said by hambonepat See Profile :

50% of the Sox runs so far this year have been the result of the homerun.
I really hope this isn't a suprise to anyone. considering we still have a softball team, even if it is a touch faster. I'm seeing Quentin doing some really beastly numbers this year if he continues his hitting the way he is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22258409 Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:34:31 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22257695 hambonepat : 50% of the Sox runs so far this year have been the result of the homerun. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22257695 Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:13:17 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22257596 Warzau : I hope this isn't a sign of things to come. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22257596 Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:44:47 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22256759 whymeintrouble :
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....Doesn't make much sense to me.
totally agree.

game sucked tonight. saw the GS that Thorton gave up.. definitely an ooopppps pitch. oh well, cant be perfect all the time! sox suck on turf..ughhh]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22256759 Sat, 18 Apr 2009 04:30:19 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22251467 jsinaiko : If Anderson doesn't perform, and Owens doesn't or is still in Ozzie's dog house, there is a possibility that they will move Alexi to CF, put Beckham at SS, and somehow try to get Pods into the lineup in the one hole.

Doesn't make much sense to me.
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This team is far from having its consistent starting line-up
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They sure got their butts kicked today.
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The Sox had a bad day today, but hopefully its a fluke. the Past 3 have been really good, bats are coming around (except for today). To bad for Wise....I hope gets well. I think he needs more time in minor league....but I hope he gets well. I like the batting order shake up. This whole Getz/Lilli mix should be resoved. I was hoping one would move to center. We'll see....

hey Jsinaiko...you have any use for a server rack or two?
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ugly win, but with the weather as it had been today, can't blame the crappy pitching. I'm suprised the offense came out bashing the ball.

4-3, guess it isn't too bad for the first week of the season.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22232538 Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:54:07 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22231846 jsinaiko : Good game today - the bats overcame a shaky start by Floyd.

One bad note - Wise get s hurt just as he begins to hit. Now Owens gets another chance.
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The bats are coming around - and the starters ERA is around 2.3. I think they gonna do fine.
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After tonites loss, I would love to see Ozzie get creative.Throw Lillibridge in center or even Anderson. This daily batting order switch can't be good for the players. And by the way...thanks Ozzie for throwing in the towel in the sixth inning. The towel being McDougal/Carrasco. Nothing like letting Carrasco give up 7 to seal a game.

I think so far the most consistent has been Fields.Tomorrow it's Colon....I hope he does better than Contreras
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Let's not jump too much too soon. Gotta keep our nerves. Paulie is the one I'm worried about. Thome has already won a game for us, Fields and Dye are hitting. Paulie needs to pick it up, as do Quintin and Rameriz. But there are 159 games to go - very early days.
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said by S_engineer See Profile :

... they need to produce or the White Sox need to lower their ticket prices. If I wanted to watch minor league ball I'd go to Kennedy Park!
have fun at Kennedy Park.

the game sure wasn't a pleasure to listen to this afternoon. I hate to say this, but I think this month is going to be pretty bad for the team. just seems like Dye is the only one hitting, with Fields coming in a close second.

lets hope for the best!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22212461 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:29:51 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22212202 S_engineer : That wasn't fun to watch, from a scoring perspective. They really need to figure out whom they are going to stick with in center. D-Wise is chafing me.

The pitching is very impressive. But overall, theres alot of money dedicated to the middle of the order, they need to produce or the White Sox need to lower their ticket prices. If I wanted to watch minor league ball I'd go to Kennedy Park!
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I don't expect to see the same Quentin and Ramirez of last year either but last year they both had a magical year. I'm hoping for Getz to be a Tony Grafinnino type at worst and Craig Counsell at best. Father time may start catching up with A.J., catching takes its toll. I expect Dye, Thome and PK to have similar years as last, which wasn't that great. Fields looks ok in the field which will be a plus but he is a thumper at heart and will have a lot of K's. CF has to be given to Anderson because at least he can field. I expect Beckham to be brought up in June if CF turns to a disaster area with Ramirez going to center and Beckham playing short.

The pen success will depend on Linebrink. If he is not able to be set up, then it forces Dotel to move up which is not the consistency needed there. And of course saving the pen, with good outings by the starters particularly the 4 and 5's.

I get pissed at that penny pincher so much but damn I love baseball and my Sox. It's great to have them back.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22207893 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:52:05 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22207784 whymeintrouble :
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I take that back, pitching was alright. But when do the bats come out?
May or when it hits 70 consistently]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22207784 Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:21:17 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22207622 S_engineer : Sigh* well that did not look good.....nice to see Paulie kill the only chance we had during this game.

I take that back, pitching was alright. But when do the bats come out?
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So yeah - team speed is still a problem and they won yesterday like they often win - with the home run.

The good news is that:

-- It was a three-run shot, not a solo.
-- Fields bunted himself on, and Getz hit to RF - great execution by both guys.
-- Dotel looked un-hittable out there, and Jenks was his usual self.
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I think your right about the batting line up, D-Wise more than likely will be swapped for Anderson. I never thought i'd see the day when I was hoping for Anderson to be a starter!
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Id rather see Getz lead off with AJ in the 2-hole, and Anderson or Wise 9th.

My guess is that this is what we will see before too long. I like Getz - he looked good out there today - no jitters and no rookie screwups. Fields too. But as usual, a lack of team speed is the major offensive issue, as it has been. That's why Owens failure to make the team, and KWs seeming inability to get us a real lead off guy continues to be a problem. I mean, AJ getting thrown out at 2nd and Dye walking into an out at the plate looked a hellovalot like 2007 and 2008 - not good.

But if the pitching holds up - Dotel was Gallant today, not Goofus - and that includes the Latino fossils at the back end of the rotation - they will be extremely competitive.

It was a fun game and wasn't even all that cold in the sun.
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Somebody need to sit with Wise and fill him on the fundamentals of hitting. He looked terrible. I hope that experiment gets cut short if things don't improve.
the rest of the team looks good, a bit over anxious, but good.
Its nice to have baseball back on the Southside!
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»teammarketing.com.ismmedia.com/I···2009.pdf]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22178646 Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:24:19 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22170194 jsinaiko : What do you mean?

This is the Sox thread, right?
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That said, Wise is a career minor leaguer who ain't no leadoff man or CF.
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Wise gets nod as Sox' starting CF/leadoff man....

This reminds me of the Chi-Bears quarterback position. So many players, none that seem to fit.So for a successful season we need the....
-old timers to actually come through
-and the n00bs to step up to the challenge

this is going to be an interesting season. I foresee lots of profanity!
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Bring back Eric Soderholm!
he's too busy selling tickets :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22142559 Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:55:35 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22130668 S_engineer : Bring back Eric Soderholm!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22130668 Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:18:08 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22125618 jsinaiko : It's an issue - and one that they are aware of. Crede saved a hellovalota games for us at 3rd. Now Josh is gonna have to hit his way into our hearts, because he sure won't be throwing leather like Joe.

In aggregate it's worrying; with the exception of Paulie at 1st, the entire IF is new or now to the position (Ramirez).

We'll see. They led the Cactus League in errors.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22125618 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:54:09 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22125536 whymeintrouble : I'm kinda worried about 3rd base. Fields is a good hitter but from the couple of games I've seen, it looks like it might be quite the adventure this year at that corner.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22125536 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:35:14 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111913 jsinaiko : Right, with 14 games to go before the real show begins.

I'm strangely confident. We have three guys - Jone, Bartolo, and Clayton Richard competing for two slots. I like that - especially because all of them are looking pretty good.

I think these guys are dark horses.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111913 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:59:40 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111406 S_engineer : Beckham is a fine alternative. The real variable will be Colon and Contreras!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22111406 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 18:46:39 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22110118 jsinaiko : I want to see Beckham! But Getz looks OK too.
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said by S_engineer See Profile :

...What a dismal spring training though...losing to the Cubs today...disgraceful... ;)
I improved your statement for you :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22109111 Sun, 22 Mar 2009 03:15:28 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22108787 S_engineer : Chris getz at second...I anticipate good things from him.
What a dismal spring training though...losing to the Cubs today...disgraceful. I guess we'll make up for that at the end of the season. I'm looking forward to opening day and the end to this 6 month winter.
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Generally, I think the Sox were pretty good about it - certainly in the 2000 - 2003 period when geniuses like A-Rod and Palmiaro were taking them, by their own admission. Belle was here over ten years ago. Luckily for us Sox fans, steroids have not been a large part of the Sox culture, which is interesting due to the nature of their ballpark and the number of sluggers they have had.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22024667 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:20:23 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22024432 whymeintrouble : Belle I'm definitely sure of. that would be the biggest that stands out in my mind, I'm sure there have been others, but that would require straining what little brain I have left.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22024432 Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:23:44 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22022095 jsinaiko : Who in the past? Belle? Maybe. Who else?
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said by S_engineer See Profile :

funny you bring up the roid fiasco...don't think any of the CURRENT sox will get nailed by that accusation.
adjusted.. your welcome]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22016505 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:40:23 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22011678 kcazzie : Sox on TV tonight (WGN) @ 9pm vs Cubs (SS)...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22011678 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:36:43 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21993913 S_engineer : funny you bring up the roid fiasco...don't think any of the sox will get nailed by that accusation.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21993913 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:18:37 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21991217 jsinaiko : He's a big boy - packs a lotta power, as Early Wynn would have put it.

The Contreras thing is amazing too - I would not have believed that he'd be back. And Colon - well, if the guy can stay healthy - right now, as you point out he's also a big boy with a lot of power who is not in the best of shape, he'll help.

It's funny - there was an article in the NY Times about how many ballplayers have literally shrunk due to no longer being juiced. I don't think Colon's weight is the result of steroids. More like a lotta beans and rice!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21991217 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:37:47 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21989916 hambonepat : I just saw the homer hit by Viciedo. Damn at only 19 he must be already challenging Colon and Jenks to be 1st in line at the buffet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21989916 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:21:05 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21989441 jsinaiko : I can understand why they let Crede go. he didn't get the surgery when they wanted him to, and then his back went again. My person belief is that it's chronic and will be back - which is a shame. Crede is a class player. I liked him, but he gone.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21989441 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:15:35 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21989436 jsinaiko : You are setting up an almost optimal scenario. The Contreras thing is just amazing - I really thought his career was over, given that he's about 60 years old or something!

I hope you are right. That said, I'm not too worried about 2B. One of those guys will fill the bill.

Viciedo hit a dinger off of Garland today, and Poreda apparently looked good.

In spite of JR's skinflint attitude, I think KW did a good job in the off-season.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21989436 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:14:23 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21988488 whymeintrouble : Contreas will be back in the rotation sometime in April from what it looks like. he is 30 lbs. lighter and seems to be in fairly good shape. first time i've ever thought those words let alone wrote them. Colon I expect to be around for at least a half season before he gets injured. hopefully I'm wrong but he does have a track record. 2nd base is what i'm most worried about. I'm not sure who will end up there, but hope it is someone who is a smart player. all the other OF and IF positions i'm ok with. Konerko I think will be back this year, as long as he stays healthy.....

The 5th pitching spot...oh, the 5th spot. Clayton Richard will probably get the spot, just hope he can be consistently good. I'd settle for even decent.

now i plan to enjoy spring training :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21988488 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:50:25 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21984007 jsinaiko : At this time a year ago I picked the Sox to come in just ahead of KC. This year I'm taking a wait and see attitude. I think KW did what he said he would; make the team younger. There are a lot of question marks - and we all agree about that. But the core is good, and the pitching will probably be OK.

It's a strong division, and there is a good chance that everyone will pretty much cancel each other out.

We'll see. Opening day in only 5 1/2 weeks!
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21984007 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:07:31 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21983811 S_engineer : Sry for the double post....
The Sox still have a good chance at playing some decent ball this year provided the players that are getting paid big money actually earn it!(cough..cough..Konerko)
Thing that bothers me is the dismissal of Crede. Now I understand it's imperative to have healthy players, but if you're going to take that approach, why pick up Colon?
Contreras is a question mark as well.
as far as the chairman goes...name a chairman thats not rubbing nickels together. Yeah, I know, Stienbrenner. But I really don't want to spend a thousand dollars a ticket either!
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said by hambonepat See Profile :

The worse thing in life is being played a sucker and that's what is happening this year to Sox fans. In previous years the Sox have said everyone is over priced and the market will correct itself. Well they were right, it did correct itself this year ( except for the early yank signings) and where is the chairman's hand? Still in his pocket rubbing those 2 buffalo nickels against each other.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21983777 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:15:58 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21952696 hambonepat : I'll never hate MY team but I see things the way they are. I'll still go to games (probably less tho) and watch them on tv. I look in the paper and see signings the Sox should have done. Today I see Hudson. The worse thing in life is being played a sucker and that's what is happening this year to Sox fans. In previous years the Sox have said everyone is over priced and the market will correct itself. Well they were right, it did correct itself this year ( except for the early yank signings) and where is the chairman's hand? Still in his pocket rubbing those 2 buffalo nickels against each other.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21952696 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:50:13 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21952639 jsinaiko : Oh come on! I'm not saying it was a great move - although if the guy manages to stay healthy he's a hellova pitcher - but it isn't a move that will prevent them from making other moves.

I am NOT a koolaid drinker - just remembering my hostility at this time last year and taking a more moderate wait-and-see attitude this year. It's no fun to hate the team you love.
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said by jsinaiko See Profile :

but it won't cost much.

The koolaid has you now on board with his money saving agenda. This years koolaid really hit you hard but I don't worry because the antidote will be here by mid summer. Hope you get well soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21952614 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:30:59 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21952524 jsinaiko : Living by the Oz is a good thing - he's gotten the most any manager can get out of his players - certainly that was the case last year. His only bad season as a manager was 2007. I'm an Ozzie fan. Rheinsdorf, not so much, although I don't hate the guy the way some do.

Contreras won't even be ready till mid-season, if at all or ever. Colon, probably a bad bet, but it won't cost much.

That leaves the kids. We'll see who does what over the next few weeks.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21952524 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:55:29 EDT Re: 2009 Chicago White Sox Thread http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21951918 S_engineer : whom don't you trust...Contreras and Colon will be injured by all star break leaving KW with some decisions to make.

I see Crede got picked up by the Twins....he'll come back to haunt.

Sigh...live by the Oz, die by the Oz!
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Time we start preparing for the Championship on the south side....question remains whom will be our 2nd baseman, 3rd baseman, and perenial problem center field position.

I'm hoping Getz turns it around. I'd also like to see Anderson used only as a utility
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