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gab343

join:2009-02-20

Dialup over voip, possible?

Hi Guys,

This is maybe a little weird:

I need to use dialup internet from different countries, using Voip.

I've read that this is possible, but never seen any intructions. I also read that tops speeds would be like a 28.8 modem using g723, which is fine since I just need to surf a couple of websites to control some stuff.

Does anyone have any pointers or instructions on how to do this?

I'd be very thankful.


kenn10

join:2003-09-10
Kennesaw, GA

The short answer is no. Unless you have a text-book perfect broadband connection between you and the destination where the dial-up is. Its possible, because Comcast Digital Voice customers can do dialup on their phones but that network is conditioned for VOIP and is separated from the rest of the internet.


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reply to gab343

said by gab343:

Hi Guys,

This is maybe a little weird:

I need to use dialup internet from different countries, using Voip.
Respectfully, it not just a "little" weird.

I'll be wondering all day what that's about, but I don't think that I want to know.

gab343

join:2009-02-20

what's the problem?

Can't I travel and need to use ip addresses from CA or US without having to shell out extra cash on VPNs and what not?

speak of prejudice



christcorp
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reply to gab343
You can use a dialup modem on a voip line. People do it a lot. Most of them call it a "FAX" machine. Now; how well it works is another subject. You've actually got a better chance of getting a dialup modem to work than a fax, because fax packets are in real time and don't really resend. A dialup modem you have the capability of adjusting the DTE and DCE rate. you can also play with error correction and other aspects of the connection. FWIW; I've got some equipment at work that I monitor. Some is on tellular and others are standard dialup. I've gotten the modem to work. sometimes it's required a couple of tries, but I've gotten it to work. If you currently have voip, then try it. The answer is ALWAYS NO, unless you try it or ask it. Then, the answer may not be a resounding yes; but at least you have a chance. later... mike....


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said by gab343:

what's the problem?

Can't I travel and need to use ip addresses from CA or US without having to shell out extra cash on VPNs and what not?

speak of prejudice
Has nothing to do with prejudice. Just trying to figure out why you need to disguise your whereabouts. Have a nice day.

gab343

join:2009-02-20

Because if I log into some of my business bank accounts with an Australian, French, etc IP. My accounts get locked.
So why not try to use voip, since I have an unlimited plan to log in? It's not that difficult and I clearly see where you are going with this. I need help, so if you're willing to help like the other guys, then great. Just don't flame me for free.


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OK, fair enough.

So I will try to be constructive:

a) This must be an issue for many folks these days, so have you asked these banks if they have a solution, and/or if they will work on one?

b) If it were me, I would be concerned about the security of doing banking transactions involving a combination of broadband internet to get to your Voip, then Voip, then dialup internet. Might be safer and even cheaper to do VPN.



xyzzy

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reply to gab343
You can get VPN service for $70/year. Probably be a lot less painful.



christcorp
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FWIW; my only reason for contributing, had nothing to do with the PURPOSE, but rather the technology. There are a lot of systems that still use dialup. (I have a LOT at work). These are monitoring type devices. The software is expensive and converting to an IP system is not financially practical. Plus, many of the pieces of equipment I use are in areas that DON'T have dsl, cable, etc... They are in BFE; oil fields, mountain top sites, etc... Dial tone either via Ma'Bell POTS or Cellular via Tellular; is the ONLY option I have other than satellite or some other extremely expensive method. So I use dialup over voip. later... mike./..


sanchito

join:2008-12-08
Santa Maria, CA

reply to gab343
I asked this question a couple of months ago, since I occasionally need to access a dial-up system over my VOIP connection. I have been able to do this successfully, although it doesn't always work on the first try.

My setup is Internal Dial-Up Modem > ATA > Router > Cable Modem. Of course, your setup is going to be different if you're traveling. I don't know if there's a way to make it work without an ATA, however.

You would definitely want to use a VOIP provider that allows BYOD (bring your own device), since you may need to fiddle with the ATA settings such as jitter buffer, echo cancellation, etc., in order to get a successful dial-up connection. Search this forum for "fax" to get some suggestions on what settings to use.
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byronb

join:2007-02-25
North Vancouver, BC

reply to gab343
Maybe just look into telephone banking options offered by your bank, or use internet cafes....


gab343

join:2009-02-20

reply to gab343
Thanks for all the help guys!

Not trying to bump my thread, though.

I'm going to try it since chriscorp and sanchito have had success. I guess it's just trial and error for each different setup and finding the settings the work best.



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said by kenn10:

The short answer is no. Unless you have a text-book perfect broadband connection between you and the destination where the dial-up is. Its possible, because Comcast Digital Voice customers can do dialup on their phones but that network is conditioned for VOIP and is separated from the rest of the internet.
Actually the short answer is yes it can be done. The quality may not be exactly what you want but it can be done. I tried it once for giggles, and was able to make calls.
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mazilo
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said by gab343:

Because if I log into some of my business bank accounts with an Australian, French, etc IP. My accounts get locked.
If you use HTTP/HTTPS protocol to log into your bank account, why not configure an HTTP/HTTPS proxy for you to use when traveling abroad? As far as your bank server is concerned, your transaction is based on the IP Address of your HTTP/HTTPS proxy server and not computer. Probably, you can also configure a TOR server to use, too.
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gab343

join:2009-02-20

said by mazilo:

said by gab343:

Because if I log into some of my business bank accounts with an Australian, French, etc IP. My accounts get locked.
If you use HTTP/HTTPS protocol to log into your bank account, why not configure an HTTP/HTTPS proxy for you to use when traveling abroad? As far as your bank server is concerned, your transaction is based on the IP Address of your HTTP/HTTPS proxy server and not computer. Probably, you can also configure a TOR server to use, too.
Hi mazilo.. TOR is not safe at all, and it's hard to control the country it gives you.

Proxy, well.. that means I need a computer on 24/7 at my house or something when I travel, and anything can go wrong.

mazilo
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said by gab343:

Proxy, well.. that means I need a computer on 24/7 at my house or something when I travel, and anything can go wrong.
If you have a WiFi NAT/Firewall router supported by an open-source firmware community, i.e. OpenWRT, etc., you can install an HTTP/HTTPS Proxy server package to run on your router to let you use it.
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gab343

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said by mazilo:

said by gab343:

Proxy, well.. that means I need a computer on 24/7 at my house or something when I travel, and anything can go wrong.
If you have a WiFi NAT/Firewall router supported by an open-source firmware community, i.e. OpenWRT, etc., you can install an HTTP/HTTPS Proxy server package to run on your router to let you use it.
I have a netgear router.. I don't think it's opensource

mazilo
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said by gab343:

I have a netgear router.. I don't think it's opensource
You will need to check one of the open-source firmware sites to find out.

zaldy

join:2007-12-07

reply to gab343
Can't you just use a free proxy server? I mean if you need an American IP then look for American proxy IP?


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