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Suffern, NY | reply to hottboiinnc
Re: What about private wifi? said by hottboiinnc:linksys logs only go back so long and then they rewirte. they way the document is stated for TWO years. NOT 3hours. The Linksys router can send copies of each log entry as it is created to SNMP deamon (either at a designate IP host number or 255 [All Hosts on the LAN]) but you need to be running such a daemon and have it save it to a file on your computer. |
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said by fatness:said by fAcEtIOUs:said by tad2020:So every Mom & Pop Coffee Shop out there that provides free wi-fi is going to have to re-invest in new equipment that costs likely 100 times their current setup? No, mom and pop shops will stop free WiFi. Chains like Starbucks will comply. What's good about that? Where did I say it was good? It must have been written in invisible ink and then I missed it when I re-read it.
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Vadork
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Winnebago, IL | reply to xdeadhead
Trying to scare people from TPB? I think it's more of bringing aware the issue that this crap is on major sites. Yet those administrators do nothing about. There is a thread over at Slyck about that shit, so read up bucko. |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to Vadork
said by Vadork:Head on over to the Piratebay, they have loads of torrents on the borderline shit and such. well I don't torent so I wouldn't know. It wouldn't surprise me a site catering to illegal downlading caters to child pornographers too. |
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Mom and Pops will just have to add ethernet jacks to each table. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:Where did I say it was good? It must have been written in invisible ink and then I missed it when I re-read it. OK, thanks.
I think it's bad, intrusive, another unnecessary expansion of the nanny state, and bad for business. So I don't misunderstand you again, what are your opinions on it?
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 joetaxpayerI'M Here Till Thursday
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Sudbury, MA | reply to fifty nine
said by fifty nine:The letter of the law needs to be fixed then. As it is now, private citizens will have to keep logs on their routers. That may be, but since most people still don't know how to even secure their router (or just don't bother) how will the average person be expected to maintain logs? |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to matrix3D
nobody but ISPs will comply most likely, the mom and pop place on main street with free wifi likely wont even know this law is passed other then what they read in the paper and see on the news. they could say we didnt know we where an ISP too, Comcast business class is our ISP(or other provider), and be off the hook.
home owners even those with insecure APs couldnt be expected to keep logs as they could just say they didnt know how to secure it and would be instantly off the hook.
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said by fatness:I think it's bad, intrusive, another unnecessary expansion of the nanny state, and bad for business. So I don't misunderstand you again, what are your opinions on it? 1 - no problem with keeping 2 yrs of IP login data from ISPs & multi-location businesses.
2 - no need for private residences or 1 location(i.e. mom & pop) hotspots. Law enforcement can get what they need from the ISPs these sites are attached to upstream.
3 - access to info mandated be collected, as stated in the law, is thru warrant only. I see no problem with that.
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Re: What about private wifi? said by fAcEtIOUs:said by fatness:I think it's bad, intrusive, another unnecessary expansion of the nanny state, and bad for business. So I don't misunderstand you again, what are your opinions on it? 1 - no problem with keeping 2 yrs of IP login data from ISPs & multi-location businesses. 2 - no need for private residences or 1 location(i.e. mom & pop) hotspots. Law enforcement can get what they need from the ISPs these sites are attached to upstream. 3 - access to info mandated be collected, as stated in the law, is thru warrant only. I see no problem with that. Regarding #2, Law enforcement can not get what they need from the ISPs these sites are attached to upstream. The hotspot is an anonymiser. One can not know who might have been using that particular hotspot at any given time because all users are behind the same IP address.
Mind you, I'm not for it either, but a simple syslog server is all you need to log that kind of data. It would be better if the vendor were required to provide a syslog server that the routers they sold would log to, if and only if the customer checked a box that authorized that.
That places the onus on the vendors and not the end users, who can hardly be expected to understand the finer points.
Since it was the vendors who established the norm of leaving encryption off by default, and authentication off by default, it should be the vendors who are hit with the requirement to solve the problem.
I'm sure this will go over like a lead baloon. 
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>>on the borderline shit and such.
There is no borderline for child pornography. That's like saying a girl is barely legal. Durr, no. She's either legal (18+ or whatever the magic number is for your country/state), or she is younger then that age (and therefore illegal). |
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that train of thought is about as logical as assuming someone who smokes pot must also be a murderer since both activities are illegal. |
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the only problem is that they'll probably use the 'protect the children' tactic to drum up support. they'll probably say anyone who doesn't support this bill(s) support child porn. with the current mood of 'do absolutely anything to protect the children', this bill should be of concern until it trully dies. |
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Wait, so it worked? You people are actually buying into this "child porn" OMG lets log EVERYTHING for your safety deal? If anything like this passes then i will really lose hope..
You see, this is just a plan to make sure the powerful stay in power. And it's really sad that people actually buy into this child porn thing. Everyone wonders why we got where we are today and where our constitutional rights went...oh wait never-mind no they dont i forgot. they are all idiots. this...is sick. |
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No. The wi-fi hotspots referred to in the bill are public spots like Starbucks and hotels, etc. You can pull up the proposal on-line on the .gov site both for the House/Senate as well as the congressmen's sites. |
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