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Re: What about private wifi?
said by tad2020  :So every Mom & Pop Coffee Shop out there that provides free wi-fi is going to have to re-invest in new equipment that costs likely 100 times their current setup? No, mom and pop shops will stop free WiFi. Chains like Starbucks will comply.
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Bad concepts lead to bad law.
I am all for taking out child porn but we must start remember why we used to claim to be a free country. We should have a right to not have our activities tracked everywhere. In the library or other public institution. Away from these locations not fine.
Also adding an unfair burden to small business is stupid and asinine. Passing a law you claim Starbucks can follow and small shops not is what is wrong with the system today and is trend we need to stop or we are all doomed to much sorrier world. |
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| said by trebzon :Bad concepts lead to bad law. I am all for taking out child porn Gee this child porn must be everywhere since they have to have such laws. Funny I have been on the web for nearly 10 year and I've never encountered this child porn. Yes I'm sure it exists. I suspect in much smaller quantities than the fearmongers make it out to be. I'm prety sure the cops know the places on the web that pervs hang out. And if it takes them 2 years to bust some guy I say fire those cops and hire ones that aren't lazy and/or stupid. |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by tad2020 :So every Mom & Pop Coffee Shop out there that provides free wi-fi is going to have to re-invest in new equipment that costs likely 100 times their current setup? No, mom and pop shops will stop free WiFi. Chains like Starbucks will comply. What's good about that?
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Head on over to the Piratebay, they have loads of torrents on the borderline shit and such. |
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1 edit | shhh, the adults are having a discussion. quit talking out of your ass and trying to scare people from TPB. better question...how would you know that stuff exists there in the first place? unless you were looking for it, youd never know it existed. |
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said by fatness :said by TKJunkMail :said by tad2020 :So every Mom & Pop Coffee Shop out there that provides free wi-fi is going to have to re-invest in new equipment that costs likely 100 times their current setup? No, mom and pop shops will stop free WiFi. Chains like Starbucks will comply. What's good about that? Where did I say it was good? It must have been written in invisible ink and then I missed it when I re-read it.
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hacker90
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Trying to scare people from TPB? I think it's more of bringing aware the issue that this crap is on major sites. Yet those administrators do nothing about. There is a thread over at Slyck about that shit, so read up bucko. |
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said by hacker90 :Head on over to the Piratebay, they have loads of torrents on the borderline shit and such. well I don't torent so I wouldn't know. It wouldn't surprise me a site catering to illegal downlading caters to child pornographers too. |
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Mom and Pops will just have to add ethernet jacks to each table. |
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said by TKJunkMail :Where did I say it was good? It must have been written in invisible ink and then I missed it when I re-read it. OK, thanks.
I think it's bad, intrusive, another unnecessary expansion of the nanny state, and bad for business. So I don't misunderstand you again, what are your opinions on it?
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| said by fatness :I think it's bad, intrusive, another unnecessary expansion of the nanny state, and bad for business. So I don't misunderstand you again, what are your opinions on it? 1 - no problem with keeping 2 yrs of IP login data from ISPs & multi-location businesses.
2 - no need for private residences or 1 location(i.e. mom & pop) hotspots. Law enforcement can get what they need from the ISPs these sites are attached to upstream.
3 - access to info mandated be collected, as stated in the law, is thru warrant only. I see no problem with that.
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Re: What about private wifi?
said by TKJunkMail :said by fatness :I think it's bad, intrusive, another unnecessary expansion of the nanny state, and bad for business. So I don't misunderstand you again, what are your opinions on it? 1 - no problem with keeping 2 yrs of IP login data from ISPs & multi-location businesses. 2 - no need for private residences or 1 location(i.e. mom & pop) hotspots. Law enforcement can get what they need from the ISPs these sites are attached to upstream. 3 - access to info mandated be collected, as stated in the law, is thru warrant only. I see no problem with that. Regarding #2, Law enforcement can not get what they need from the ISPs these sites are attached to upstream. The hotspot is an anonymiser. One can not know who might have been using that particular hotspot at any given time because all users are behind the same IP address.
Mind you, I'm not for it either, but a simple syslog server is all you need to log that kind of data. It would be better if the vendor were required to provide a syslog server that the routers they sold would log to, if and only if the customer checked a box that authorized that.
That places the onus on the vendors and not the end users, who can hardly be expected to understand the finer points.
Since it was the vendors who established the norm of leaving encryption off by default, and authentication off by default, it should be the vendors who are hit with the requirement to solve the problem.
I'm sure this will go over like a lead baloon. 
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>>on the borderline shit and such.
There is no borderline for child pornography. That's like saying a girl is barely legal. Durr, no. She's either legal (18+ or whatever the magic number is for your country/state), or she is younger then that age (and therefore illegal). |
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hurrdurr
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that train of thought is about as logical as assuming someone who smokes pot must also be a murderer since both activities are illegal. |
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Wait, so it worked? You people are actually buying into this "child porn" OMG lets log EVERYTHING for your safety deal? If anything like this passes then i will really lose hope..
You see, this is just a plan to make sure the powerful stay in power. And it's really sad that people actually buy into this child porn thing. Everyone wonders why we got where we are today and where our constitutional rights went...oh wait never-mind no they dont i forgot. they are all idiots. this...is sick. |
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