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Re: Privacy Commissioner Files Warning about DPI to CRTC Hmmmm yet Police Depts all over the country monitor CCTV 24/7.
Hell the TTC has it to the point they can track you from station to subway to streetcar to bus and then the cops can pick you up from that point all the way home. |
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| said by 18526190:Hmmmm yet Police Depts all over the country monitor CCTV 24/7. Hell the TTC has it to the point they can track you from station to subway to streetcar to bus and then the cops can pick you up from that point all the way home. This should be following these recommendations:
»www.privcom.gc.ca/information/gu···01_e.asp
I wish I could remember where the department was (Then I could find the Commissioner's letter to them!) but they decided to go with 23.917x7 monitoring to comply with the recommendation, in law but not spirit.
And yes, the TTC monitoring is pretty scary. I bet their excuse is they aren't the police. |
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said by 18526190:Hmmmm yet Police Depts all over the country monitor CCTV 24/7. Hell the TTC has it to the point they can track you from station to subway to streetcar to bus and then the cops can pick you up from that point all the way home. Those are very different situations in which you are out in public. None of that information couldn't be obtained by people standing around observing you, they're just doing it more efficiently with technology. That is very different from private communication sent to and from your home, or for that matter to and from a mobile device.
Also, I question whether the TTC can track movement that well. Do you mean by looking at video footage? Is that even transmitted from the buses and streetcars in real time? They don't have any other tracking mechanisms I can think of. |
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said by shepd:And yes, the TTC monitoring is pretty scary. I bet their excuse is they aren't the police. There's nothing scary about the TTC monitoring. It's essential because of all the shootings on buses and subways. Public safety takes priority over privacy. |
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kudos:17 | said by eots:said by shepd:And yes, the TTC monitoring is pretty scary. I bet their excuse is they aren't the police. There's nothing scary about the TTC monitoring. It's essential because of all the shootings on buses and subways. Public safety takes priority over privacy. So if DPI is used to catch terrorists or child molesters, it's okay by you?
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said by eots: Public safety takes priority over privacy. There is a scary quote if I ever saw one.
I refuse to believe that I have spent the last 30 years ensuring freedom to this country so that people forget the past.
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said by Deadpool:So if DPI is used to catch terrorists or child molesters, it's okay by you? Ah here we go, the mandatory child porn and terrorist post.
puh-lease.
There are laws in plave to already handle this and Bell already complies with these laws.
Give the spin a rest. |
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said by mazhurg:said by eots: Public safety takes priority over privacy. There is a scary quote if I ever saw one. I refuse to believe that I have spent the last 30 years ensuring freedom to this country so that people forget the past. Agreed. There's no grey area.
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3 edits | Re: Privacy Commissioner Files Warning about DPI to CRTC The man who would choose security over freedom deserves neither. - Thomas Jefferson
That said, TTC cameras and such don't impede anybody's freedoms. You're being watched while you're in a public place. While doing it with cameras might be objectionable to some, it's not a level of surveillance that couldn't be achieved by putting a pair of watching eyes at every camera location.
Intercepting and inspecting private communications is a different matter entirely. |
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said by Deadpool:said by mazhurg:said by eots: Public safety takes priority over privacy. There is a scary quote if I ever saw one. I refuse to believe that I have spent the last 30 years ensuring freedom to this country so that people forget the past. Agreed. There's no grey area. There is none, simply because we do not know how to stop.
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said by Deadpool:said by mazhurg:said by eots: Public safety takes priority over privacy. There is a scary quote if I ever saw one. I refuse to believe that I have spent the last 30 years ensuring freedom to this country so that people forget the past. Agreed. There's no grey area. Both of you completely misinterpreted my remark. There is no expectation of privacy in a public place! Cameras on the streets, buses or subways are not an invasion of privacy or an infringement on freedom. You make it sound like protecting identities of criminals is more important than public safety.
There is no comparison between DPI and cameras in public places. DPI is equivalent to the post office opening and reading everyone's mail, which is why it's a privacy issue. |
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kudos:17 | Just because I'm in a public place doesn't mean I give up my right to privacy. |
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| You seem to be confusing public spaces with your living room. Your privacy is not being invaded just because of camera's in public places, unlike being watched inside your home which would be an invasion of privacy. |
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kudos:17 | said by eots:You seem to be confusing public spaces with your living room. Your privacy is not being invaded just because of camera's in public places, unlike being watched inside your home which would be an invasion of privacy. Isn't that why sound isn't allowed to be recorded with the video in public places?
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said by Deadpool:Just because I'm in a public place doesn't mean I give up my right to privacy. This is a contradiction. public...privacy
If you want absolute privacy stay home where everything you do should be private.
Everybody can videotape everybody out in public. If not the paparazzi (which I think often crosses over to stalking and harassment BTW) would be sued/fined/jailed out of existence. |
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Suddenly you're concerned about privacy after you've spent the past year defending Bell's use of DPI.  |
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said by eots:said by shepd:And yes, the TTC monitoring is pretty scary. I bet their excuse is they aren't the police. There's nothing scary about the TTC monitoring. It's essential because of all the shootings on buses and subways. Public safety takes priority over privacy. Don't worry, I know we'd be a lot safer if we just broadcasted all your phone calls over the internets. Why not throw some cameras into your house as well, you know, to help the police gauge if you're a threat to the public or not?
Public safety should rarely take priority over privacy. And in the few cases it does, it should be due to an immediate and proven threat (ie: Crazed gunman in the subway shouting the name of his next victim, the police should be able to know that. But only at that moment). |
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