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Re: Privacy Commissioner Files Warning about DPI to CRTC said by shepd:And yes, the TTC monitoring is pretty scary. I bet their excuse is they aren't the police. There's nothing scary about the TTC monitoring. It's essential because of all the shootings on buses and subways. Public safety takes priority over privacy. |
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kudos:17 | said by eots:said by shepd:And yes, the TTC monitoring is pretty scary. I bet their excuse is they aren't the police. There's nothing scary about the TTC monitoring. It's essential because of all the shootings on buses and subways. Public safety takes priority over privacy. So if DPI is used to catch terrorists or child molesters, it's okay by you?
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said by eots: Public safety takes priority over privacy. There is a scary quote if I ever saw one.
I refuse to believe that I have spent the last 30 years ensuring freedom to this country so that people forget the past.
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said by Deadpool:So if DPI is used to catch terrorists or child molesters, it's okay by you? Ah here we go, the mandatory child porn and terrorist post.
puh-lease.
There are laws in plave to already handle this and Bell already complies with these laws.
Give the spin a rest. |
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kudos:17 | reply to mazhurg
said by mazhurg:said by eots: Public safety takes priority over privacy. There is a scary quote if I ever saw one. I refuse to believe that I have spent the last 30 years ensuring freedom to this country so that people forget the past. Agreed. There's no grey area.
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3 edits | Re: Privacy Commissioner Files Warning about DPI to CRTC The man who would choose security over freedom deserves neither. - Thomas Jefferson
That said, TTC cameras and such don't impede anybody's freedoms. You're being watched while you're in a public place. While doing it with cameras might be objectionable to some, it's not a level of surveillance that couldn't be achieved by putting a pair of watching eyes at every camera location.
Intercepting and inspecting private communications is a different matter entirely. |
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said by Deadpool:said by mazhurg:said by eots: Public safety takes priority over privacy. There is a scary quote if I ever saw one. I refuse to believe that I have spent the last 30 years ensuring freedom to this country so that people forget the past. Agreed. There's no grey area. There is none, simply because we do not know how to stop.
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said by Deadpool:said by mazhurg:said by eots: Public safety takes priority over privacy. There is a scary quote if I ever saw one. I refuse to believe that I have spent the last 30 years ensuring freedom to this country so that people forget the past. Agreed. There's no grey area. Both of you completely misinterpreted my remark. There is no expectation of privacy in a public place! Cameras on the streets, buses or subways are not an invasion of privacy or an infringement on freedom. You make it sound like protecting identities of criminals is more important than public safety.
There is no comparison between DPI and cameras in public places. DPI is equivalent to the post office opening and reading everyone's mail, which is why it's a privacy issue. |
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kudos:17 | Just because I'm in a public place doesn't mean I give up my right to privacy. |
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| You seem to be confusing public spaces with your living room. Your privacy is not being invaded just because of camera's in public places, unlike being watched inside your home which would be an invasion of privacy. |
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kudos:17 | said by eots:You seem to be confusing public spaces with your living room. Your privacy is not being invaded just because of camera's in public places, unlike being watched inside your home which would be an invasion of privacy. Isn't that why sound isn't allowed to be recorded with the video in public places?
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said by Deadpool:Just because I'm in a public place doesn't mean I give up my right to privacy. This is a contradiction. public...privacy
If you want absolute privacy stay home where everything you do should be private.
Everybody can videotape everybody out in public. If not the paparazzi (which I think often crosses over to stalking and harassment BTW) would be sued/fined/jailed out of existence. |
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Suddenly you're concerned about privacy after you've spent the past year defending Bell's use of DPI.  |
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said by eots:said by shepd:And yes, the TTC monitoring is pretty scary. I bet their excuse is they aren't the police. There's nothing scary about the TTC monitoring. It's essential because of all the shootings on buses and subways. Public safety takes priority over privacy. Don't worry, I know we'd be a lot safer if we just broadcasted all your phone calls over the internets. Why not throw some cameras into your house as well, you know, to help the police gauge if you're a threat to the public or not?
Public safety should rarely take priority over privacy. And in the few cases it does, it should be due to an immediate and proven threat (ie: Crazed gunman in the subway shouting the name of his next victim, the police should be able to know that. But only at that moment). |
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said by Deadpool:said by eots:said by shepd:And yes, the TTC monitoring is pretty scary. I bet their excuse is they aren't the police. There's nothing scary about the TTC monitoring. It's essential because of all the shootings on buses and subways. Public safety takes priority over privacy. So if DPI is used to catch terrorists or child molesters, it's okay by you? Not sure I'd make this argument. Bell is not and should never think it has rights to become a law enforcement agent.
Bell as a common carrier must transport from end to end without prejudice and Bell as Sympatico is there to service the clients transparently with the obligation to provide internet access, nothing more.
Let the police/RCMP do the policing.... it's none of Bell's business to do this.
I concede that I would hate to hear that one of my kids were affected by a child molester and didn't have a way to track them from my ISP, but at the same time, I can guarantee you that if I had that technology that I would abuse it as a result of my kids, watching to make sure they were safe and likely taking matters in my own hands if they weren't! That is not healthy nor is it responsible, but as a dad, I can guarantee you that the word "rational" goes out the window when your child is in danger!
The unfortunate reality is that technologies like these belong in the hands of non-private/non-corporate and unbiased hands that can properly handle private and law/society affecting information, as they give way to far reaching results; results I'm not sure either one of us can either comprehend or handle as fathers.
...my two cents.
Rocky
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| When I was being harassed/stalked by the anonymous talker who posted so much litigious stuff about me, no police agency were willing to help, because for on thing, they didn't understand this and secondly, which jurisdiction would they work & The stalker was using anonymous remailers from all other the world.
When we found out who he was, he stoppped, so even if we had gotten FBI involved, they couldn't have gotten any evidence against him.
And if Bell starts to argue DPI is related to law enforcement, then the privacy commissioner should stein in RIGHT AWAY beause Bell has promised that its equipment didn't record any information. (what about usage logs ? )
Oh, and if Bell had managed it network properly, it woudln't have needed to uy those stupid expensive fucken DPI boxes. |
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| No one was willing to help you?
You are kidding right?
When my wife was threatened, i tracked the fucker down. called the cops in NY (where he was, I tracked him to his county) they hauled him in and then hauled him into a hospital for mental evaluation.
Then I called the cops in my area and a detective got on his ass telling him if he crossed the border he would be arrested.
That was the end of that.
I didn't putz around. I didn't need DPI. I didn't need an ISP.
What I did was be his buddy and told him how right he was. When he contacted me I jumped at it when the IP's were consistant.
You should have done the same. Play his game to get him. Stroke the old ego. |
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