hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
 ·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to Lazlow
Re: Net Neutrality advocate.
so you think you should have full run of your ISPs network and little Johnny next door should be able to run P2P full speed all day all night and make your internet suffer? or how about the server farm down the street using a residential connection instead of paying for a business connection? |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| hottboiinnc
That is not even close to what I said. What I said was that as long as a user is not causing congestion (downloading during peak hours) they should be able to download as much as they want. Since most commercial bandwidth is sold by the 95th percentile method(basically by peak Mbps) it costs the ISP nothing extra. No, the ISP's TOS already covers the server farm(reselling your connection). On top of that, the server's peak times would likely be the same as the ISPs peak times, so they would still be hit by the throttle. |
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DJMASACRE
join:2008-05-27
Nepean, ON
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc  :so you think you should have full run of your ISPs network and little Johnny next door should be able to run P2P full speed all day all night and make your internet suffer? or how about the server farm down the street using a residential connection instead of paying for a business connection? Yes because that is bullshit . p2p users dont make your "internet suffer" get it through your head. This is just what the ISPs want you to think to make it seem ok . Do your research . |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to Lazlow
how do you figure it would cost them nothing more to give you full non-peak bandwidth? everyone would save everything to that point and max the connection out. By giving a full hard cap it actually reduces their cost in bandwidth and allows them to put that extra money back in to the network.
If they were really smart though all of the cable companies would peer together and reduce their costs that way. Especially since ATDN is peered with several companies including media. Comcast would save $$$$ by sending that traffic to RR's network. and RR would save $$ on their backend by sending email directed to Comcast customers direct to them. Wouldn't have to offload anything to L3 or anyone else.
And by the way i know how most bandwidth is purchased. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to DJMASACRE
No P2P can slow your connection down. It sucks bandwidth from your actual pipe to the backbone.
It does show on cable and it would show on DSL back at the DSLAM. Since BOTH connections ARE SHARED you would see it. Maybe on DSL not on the speed test between you and the DSLAM/CO/RT you would see it once it hits the net as the actual ATM line would be filling up. |
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nonpeak
@emaildl.com
| reply to hottboiinnc
If everyone saved until that point wouldn't that make that the new peak time? If everyone maxes out a connection it seems to me that would disqualify it for non-peak.
Providing a hard cap may slightly reduce their total bandwidth usage over a period of time but by their own admission only 2% of users would even reach said cap. I don't see them going much over it (using comcast's cap as an example). And they are companies, don't be so naive as to think they'll invest extra money into their infrastructure. Extra money mostly goes to employees (higher ups) or REQUIRED upgrades to keep up with competition. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to hottboiinnc
hottboiinnc
If you know how they buy their bandwidth, you would know that it is by the 95th percentile method(most commercial bandwidth is sold this way). The 95th percentile method(google 95th percentile bandwidth) charges based on PEAK bandwidth and not total GB. Since downloading during off peak hours by definition occurs during non peak times, there is no additional transit costs. Since all the hardware has to be there to handle peak traffic hours, there are no additional hardware costs either. So how does downloading during off peak hours cost the ISP anything (on the HSI side)? It doesn't. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| hottboinnc
"you have only paid for access to THEIR network NOT to the Internet."
Are you absolutely nuts? No one is paying for access for anything on an ISPs network. They are paying for access to the INTERNET. What is there on your ISP's network that you are willing to pay $50+ a month for? Essentially nothing. We are paying for access to the internet and the untold resources that it provides. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| No you pay to ACCESS THE PROVIDERS network who happens to be connected to the Internet. They do NOT have to give you the Internet. They can give you a Portal the same as AOL did and thats it. Will you take it most likely not. But you only pay to access their line, just one of the perks you get in return is the WWW.
And i doubt everyone pays $50+ per month. My brother in CA pays $35 on DSL and $30 per month on Comcast. I pay $44 for Buckeye Cable in my area. My aunt pays $35 per month with RoadRunner on the TWC side. My father pays $30 with RoadRunner on TWC side. $50 per month always? NO! Oh i also have grandparents who pay Comcast $44 for internet. I don't see $50 anywhere in those numbers do you?
And again- you pay the provider access to THEIR network. Not to the Internet. They built their network, they manage their network, they can do with it what they want. If you don't like it, build one yourself and compete. and we'll see how fast your network become's the "customers internet" |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| reply to nonpeak
you don't count Boost as an upgrade? Wifi from Cablevision? SDV by cable companies, DOCSIS 2.0 that Adelphia put their entire network on instead of 1.0 or 1.1?
My cable provider has 2.0 and 3.0 coming out within the next year. Those are upgrades. Also look at speed that is not being released those are upgrades. New modems are upgrades. Don't forget your tech support that is sometimes based in your area.
Not all companies take the profit and give bonuses and not all companies have "competition" especially Ohio. WOOO 1.5Meg dsl compared to 8meg cable? Who are you really going to pick? or 12meg cable compared-uncapped unthrottled compared to 1.5meg DSL. |
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dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc :No you pay to ACCESS THE PROVIDERS network who happens to be connected to the Internet. They do NOT have to give you the Internet. You are SO full of it. My broadband provider advertises their service as fast access to the INTERNET. I most certainly AM paying for access to the Internet. In fact, I got in during beta testing where the ISP's network didn't have any content - not even a mail server! In fact, most of them advertise as broadband Internet. The days of advertising such a connection as a content provider were over when AOheLl fell apart.
Yes, you're using their network, but their network is primarily sold as a pipe to the Internet. |
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