Archivis
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Re: Archivis' 3.1 DK Spec Theorycraft Thread
It just upped the healing.
I'm more interested in the other trees at this point. Blood's appeal to me was the simplicity. Now that it has the same 5+ button presses as the other trees, I may look elsewhere. Frost, even though folks are crying nerf, is apparently putting out some sick numbers on the PTR from what I've seen.
Either way, I look forward to trying all the variouos specs/rotations. |
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said by Archivis  :Either way, I'll be testing a HS heavy setup versus an OB heavy setup. Just thinking about this, is there any way to test your HS heavy setup w/ Glyph of Blood Stike & a snared target? I'd think the extra +20% damage on this strike would put it over the top in terms of DPS. |
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Archivis
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Krisnatharok
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Which is pretty much the most useless glyph ever. Although the DK has a lot of major glyphs I could never see using (icebound fortitude, blood boil, chains of ice, dark command)...
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Hey out of all those what do you think would be the best for dps? |
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none of the ones I just mentioned.
For DPS I'd recommend major glyphs of Obliterate, Plague Strike, and Rune Strike.
If you are frost, you could use Glyph of Frost Strike.
If you are blood, you can use the upcoming Glyph of DRW (+10 sec).
If you are unholy, you can use glyph of ghoul, or scourge strike. Or Bone Shield (not sure about this one, I've never used the ability).
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after a bit of time, speccing and respeccing, in regards to dual spec (which is nice), i found a really solid 17/2/52 build that arch put up and i tweaked a bit. i wanted to the runic cap cause with the 4 set bonues from t7 and death trance proccing alot, i found myself, capped, or near capped with rp. since i did the rotation with 3 lines, ss produces so much rp, i had to have the cap when the some bosses take to the air (maly) i can do a full rp dump (though im not 100% sold on it) to be honest though, i ended up with an extra point from the whole thing, which i put in wondering plague (could be waste) since pest spreads it anyway...
otherwise, 3.1 looks to really favor an unholy 2hander build (extra points in outbreak make the damage from ps and ss pretty intense) |
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i just cant see using DS over OB even with the buffs to it, arch is right the only time i ever save up rp is to hyst/drw i couldnt wait for 100/130 RP just to DS. im 52/19/0 currently, shorter diseases but i spec into icy talons due to the lack of 2 shammys (we have 2 resto but they are never on at the same time 8P) and annihilation for consistent max OB's, i was putting out about 3k dps with 51/13/7, but now pushing 4k as 52/19/0, really wish i had that WF totem could even push it higher 8P. i dont even wanna read anymore threads with ppl posting DS in there rotation 8D |
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| said by Riyo :
i just cant see using DS over OB even with the buffs to it, arch is right the only time i ever save up rp is to hyst/drw i couldnt wait for 100/130 RP just to DS. So you'd RP dump, rather than use your runes as they come off cooldown? Again, with a HS-heavy rotation that Blizz seems intent to shove Blood into, you're not going to see much time to RP dump...maybe one DC, which the next rotation will easily recoup the 40 Runic Energy spent. And, it's only heavy-blood that'll even be considering using DS over OB (need the base +30% damage talent in 3.1 to even possibly come close to OB).
As to the Blood/Heart Strike glyph being useless...maybe I was just reading old entries on forums, but I thought the momement-imparing effects others stack on bosses counted towards the glyph? (ie. even if a boss is unaffected by the movement speed debuff, the debuff even being up on the boss counts towards the glyph) Maybe things changed. |
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Archivis
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| said by Archivis :I will try it in my tests when 3.1 comes out, but I'm just not convinced that a Death Strike/Heart Strike spamming rotation is the way to go. i wont touch blood in 3.1 unless you come up with something that (again) knocks unholy outta the water...but for now, ob seems to whoop ds, now until forever |
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As to the Blood/Heart Strike glyph being useless...maybe I was just reading old entries on forums, but I thought the momement-imparing effects others stack on bosses counted towards the glyph? (ie. even if a boss is unaffected by the movement speed debuff, the debuff even being up on the boss counts towards the glyph) Maybe things changed.
As far as I know there is no glyph of heart strike...
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| said by Krisnatharok :As to the Blood/Heart Strike glyph being useless...maybe I was just reading old entries on forums, but I thought the momement-imparing effects others stack on bosses counted towards the glyph? (ie. even if a boss is unaffected by the movement speed debuff, the debuff even being up on the boss counts towards the glyph) Maybe things changed.
As far as I know there is no glyph of heart strike... i think in 3.1 there will be a damage buff for ds, and yes, the current blood strike glyph does apply to heart strike, fyi man  |
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Krisnatharok
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Lol. So you cast Chains of Ice then HS/BS? |
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| said by Krisnatharok :Lol. So you cast Chains of Ice then HS/BS? chains of ice? maybe in my pvp set cause its a free cast, but not in a raid |
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I just wondered whether it's worth it... I'd rather go with glyphs of Obliterate, Plague Strike, Rune Strike or Scourge Strike. |
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| said by Krisnatharok :I just wondered whether it's worth it... I'd rather go with glyphs of Obliterate, Plague Strike, Rune Strike or Scourge Strike. with dks the only problem is, people arent looking where 10% of their attack power comes from...with abominations might, people happily go on all stoked about their epic dps when they raid...but no one ever pauses and says, thank you death knight for 10% additional attack power which leads to more damage, we owe you on our meters...nope...nothin, but i say thank you to a pally for their gbom...funny how we get nothin.
lol, anyone notice how dks dont get thanked for icy talons or abmos might? |
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Krisnatharok
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I think we have a DK who needs some love.
I most always get thanked for my blood aura by healers. "ooh thank god you're blood and not unholy." |
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said by Krisnatharok :As far as I know there is no glyph of heart strike... Glyph of Blood Strike works with Heart Strike.
said by Krisnatharok :I most always get thanked for my blood aura by healers. "ooh thank god you're blood and not unholy." Kiss that goodbye in 3.1. Apparantly healing the raid for 4% of damage dealt was OP. |
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said by Archivis :I will try it in my tests when 3.1 comes out, but I'm just not convinced that a Death Strike/Heart Strike spamming rotation is the way to go. If I throw in a hug, will that help? 
Thanks for at least trying it out. I don't have the gear to test it out, but I do have the spare time to play number-crunching theorycrafting. |
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